Kingdom of Finland

[Frozen Royalist]

I'm not suggesting Finland give up it's independence at all really, I'm just curious about how the monarchist movements are going on in Brazil, North Africa, and the European republics that's all.

-Frozen Royalist

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Frozen Royalist

I'm not suggesting Finland give up it's independence at all really, I'm just curious about how the monarchist movements are going on in Brazil, North Africa, and the European republics that's all.

-Frozen Royalist

Perhaps you need to brush up then. Because suggesting Finland would want to restore a monarchy, is in fact suggesting it give up its independence. Finland has never had its own monarchy. To restore a monarchy would be to put Carl Gustav on the throne. As an independent country, Finland has always been a republic.

[Frozen Royalist]

My apologies, I just asked about Finland because of the whole brief attempt at a debate in June 2014 and thought I'd ask about a follow up. I'm not suggesting restoration, or putting a Hesse on the throne, I'm just curious about the opinion of the Finnish people.

-Frozen Royalist

[CyrilVladisla]

Finland had a monarchial constitution for about a year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_7UhU7wrWY

[Blog Real]

List of Finnish monarchs
This is a list of the monarchs of Finland until it became a republic in 1919; that is, the Kings of Sweden with Regents and Viceroys of the Kalmar Union, the Grand Dukes of Finland (identical with the Tsars of Russia), up to the two-year Regent period following the independence in 1917, with a brief flirtation with a truly domestic monarchy.

Part of the Kingdom of Sweden, from the Middle Ages until 1809
Finland as an integral part of Sweden under the King of Sweden (Ruotsin kuningas).

Some texts suggest the Swedish rule of Finland started as early as during the Houses of Sverker and Eric (Sverker I of Sweden 1130–1156 and Eric the Saint 1156–1160). But the first historic documents suggesting rule by Swedish kings in Finland not limited to sparse crusades and conquests are dated at around 1249.

The House of Bjelbo
1250–1275 : Valdemar of Sweden (Valdemar Birgerinpoika)
regent: Birger Jarl
1275–1290 : Magnus III of Sweden (Maunu Ladonlukko)
1290–1318 : Birger of Sweden (Birger Maununpoika)
1319–1364 : Magnus IV of Sweden (Maunu IV)
co-kings, successively: Eric XII of Sweden and Haakon I of Sweden, sons of Magnus IV
1363–1395 : Albert of Mecklenburg (Albrekt Mecklenburgilainen)
1385–87 in opposition: Olav IV of Norway (Olavi Haakoninpoika)

Rulers of the Kalmar Union and Regents (Valtionhoitaja, Riksföreståndare)
1389–1412 : Margaret I of Scandinavia (Margareeta), widow of King Haakon of Sweden, mother of Olav IV, and heiress of Estonia, a Danish dominion
1396–1439 : Eric of Pomerania (
1438–1440 : Carl Knutsson Bonde, Regent (Kaarle Knuutinpoika
1441–1448 : Christopher of Bavaria (Kristoffer Baijerilainen)
1448–1448 : Regents Bengt and Nils Jönsson Oxenstierna ((Pentti Jönsinpoika Häräntähti and Niilo Jönsinpoika Häräntähti))
1448–1457 : Charles VIII of Sweden (Kaarle VIII Knuutinpoika), he had been 1442–48 chatelain and margrave of Viipuri county
1457–1457 : Regents Jöns Bengtsson Oxenstierna the archbishop and Eric Axelsson Tott ((arkkipiispa Jöns Pentinpoika and herra Eerik Akselinpoika))
1457–1464 : Christian I of Sweden (Kristian I)
1464–1465 : Charles VIII of Sweden (Kaarle VIII)
1465–1465 : Regent Kettil Karlsson Vasa the bishop ((piispa Kettil Kaarlenpoika Vaasa))
1465–1466 : Regent Jöns Bengtsson Oxenstierna the archbishop
1466–1467 : Regent Eric Axelsson Tott, also 1457–81 chatelain and margrave of Viipuri county
1467–1470 : Charles VIII of Sweden (
1470–1497 : Regent Sten Sture the elder (
1497–1501 : John II of Sweden (Hans of Denmark, Juhana II, Hannu, Tanskan Hannu
1501–1503 : Regent Sten Sture the elder (Sten Sture vanhempi
1504–1511 : Regent Svante Niilonpoika (Svante Niilonpoika, Ekesiön herra
1512–1512 : Regent Eric Trolle
1512–1520 : Regent Sten Sture the younger (Sten Sture nuorempi
1520–1521 : Christian II of Sweden (Kristian II)

The House of Vasa
1521–1560 : Gustav I of Sweden (Kustaa I Vaasa)
As Gustav Vasa, regent 1521–1523
1560–1568 : Eric XIV of Sweden (Eerik XIV)
1568–1592 : John III of Sweden (Juhana III), adopted title Grand Prince of Finland (Suomen suuriruhtinas) around 1580
As Duke John of Finland acted as feudal lord of part of Finland Duke of Finland and Governor-General of the rest 1556–1563
1592–1599 : Sigismund of Sweden (Sigismund), also titled Grand Prince of Finland
1599–1611 : Charles IX of Sweden (Kaarle IX), "King of Finns"
As Duke Charles, regent 1599–1604
1611–1632 : Gustav Adolph the great (Kustaa II Aadolf), also titled Grand Prince of Finland
1632–1654 : Christina of Sweden (Kristiina), also titled Grand Princess of Finland
The House of Pfalz-Zweibrücken
1654–1660 : Charles X Gustav of Sweden (Kaarle X Kustaa
1660–1697 : Charles XI of Sweden (Kaarle XI
1697–1718 : Charles XII of Sweden (Kaarle XII), also titled Grand Prince of Finland
1719–1720 : Ulrika Eleonora of Sweden (Ulriika Eleonoora), also titled Grand Princess of Finland
The House of Hesse
1720–1751 : Frederick I of Sweden (Fredrik I), also titled Grand Prince of Finland
The House of Holstein-Gottorp
1751–1771 : Adolf Frederick of Sweden (Aadolf Fredrik), Grand Prince of Finland
1771–1792 : Gustav III of Sweden (Kustaa III), Grand Prince of Finland
1792–1796 : Charles, duke of Södermanland as Regent (Södermanlannin herttua Kaarle)
1792–1809 : Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden (Kustaa IV Aadolf), Grand Prince of Finland

Grand Principality of Finland in Russian Empire 1809–1917
The Grand Principality of Finland in the Russian Empire (1809–1917) with the Emperor of Russia as the Grand Prince of Finland (Suomen suuriruhtinas).
The House of Romanov
1809–1825 : Alexander I (Aleksanteri I)
1825–1855 : Nicholas I (Nikolai I)
1855–1881 : Alexander II (Aleksanteri II)
1881–1894 : Alexander III (Aleksanteri III
1894–1917 : Nicholas II (Nikolai II)

Interim period 1917–19
May 27, 1918 – December 12, 1918 : Pehr Evind Svinhufvud
December 12, 1918 – July 26, 1919 : Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim
The House of Hesse
October 9, 1918 - December 14, 1918 : Frederik Kaarle I, King of Finland

[Blog Real]

I found this article and it seems to be interesting

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/fi...ived-monarchy/

[Friedrich Karl II]

I agree that Finland never become monarchy. Independent Finland hasn't ver been actual monarchy. And when monarchy activities failed on end of 1918 monarchism basically died immediately. Nowadays there hardly is even one percent which would actively support monarchy. Any major party too not seek such thing at least not very seriously, not even NCP (National Coalition Party) which was originally formed by monarchists.Hardly even House of Hesse, which was intended to be Finnish royal family, is intrested. Not sure have any of them even ever visited in Finland. And even if they have, there hasn't been any atteention for that. Finns wouldn't even recognise them.


So briefly why Finland never become monarchy:


_ Republicanism has really strong support (many Finns even want more power to president) and almost zero support for monarchy.
- There is not notably party or movement for that.
- Finns don't know any member of House of Hesse, at least not many. They couldn wander hours on streets of Helsinki and no one would notice them.
- - Members of intended royal family are not intrested, not live in FInland and I even doubt that any of them can even speak any word of Finnish.


Of course another candidate would be someone Bernadotte but it is too very implausible.

[Qutus123]

Originally Posted by Ish

Not really. There have been attempts to establish an independent Finnish monarchy, but they've never been successful. At this point there is no known Royal Finnish Family, nor anyone who claims to be a pretender to a Finnish throne.

Other than Donatus, Prince and Landgrave of Hesse the literal pretender to the Finnish throne who’s grandfather literally ruled as King of Finland officially and legally for only 2 months.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Qutus123

Other than Donatus, Prince and Landgrave of Hesse the literal pretender to the Finnish throne who’s grandfather literally ruled as King of Finland officially and legally for only 2 months.

It's a bit strange to call him a pretender when neither Prince Donatus nor his father Prince Moritz has ever laid any claims to the Finnish throne.

[Friedrich Karl II]

Originally Posted by Qutus123

Other than Donatus, Prince and Landgrave of Hesse the literal pretender to the Finnish throne who’s grandfather literally ruled as King of Finland officially and legally for only 2 months.

Like JR76 stated there is not any point call him as "pretender" when he and his family have not any claim to Finnish crown. Curren heat of Hesse family has zero intrest for whole issue. If Finnish monarchists would ask them as Finnish royal family, they probably would refuse.



It is even doubtfgul if they can speak any Finnish or know Finland very much. And Finns even don't know them. They indeed could walk hours on center of Helsinki and no one wouldn't recognise them. With my knowledge they are living only in Germany and probably have not visited in Finland very much if ever and even then just private persons whom even yellow press is not intrested.

[Blog Real]

It is not known who would be the King of Finland if one day the country became a monarchy.
If that happened perhaps they would invite a Bernadotte (Carl Philip and Sofia?) or a Romanov, or perhaps they would even invite Donato, Prince and Landgrave from Hesse.
However Finland also does not have an independent monarchic history (in Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Italy, Bulgaria, Greece, Germany, Austria, Russia or France there was in fact a monarchy and royal family and therefore there are several monarchists in these countries) but this never happened in Finland.
I don't know if there is even any monarchic movement in Finland.

[Friedrich Karl II]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

It is not known who would be the King of Finland if one day the country became a monarchy.
If that happened perhaps they would invite a Bernadotte (Carl Philip and Sofia?) or a Romanov, or perhaps they would even invite Donato, Prince and Landgrave from Hesse.
However Finland also does not have an independent monarchic history (in Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Italy, Bulgaria, Greece, Germany, Austria, Russia or France there was in fact a monarchy and royal family and therefore there are several monarchists in these countries) but this never happened in Finland.
I don't know if there is even any monarchic movement in Finland.

If Finland ever becomes monarchy (not going happen when there is not any support and not signifant movement for that) most plausible would are either from Hesse or Bernadotte family. Romanovs are bit unlikely. They are not really popular (at least weren't in 1910's/1920's) and any potential one should convert to Lutheranism and begin to speak Finnish. Same thing is of course with any German or Swedish origin too.


But this is just really speculative. Monarchy was already quiet dead by 1920 and probably no one even thought that seriously anymore after WW2.

[BigLenny]

Originally Posted by Friedrich Karl II

If Finland ever becomes monarchy (not going happen when there is not any support and not significant movement for that) most plausible would are either from Hesse or Bernadotte family. Romanovs are bit unlikely. They are not really popular (at least weren't in 1910's/1920's) and any potential one should convert to Lutheranism and begin to speak Finnish. Same thing is of course with any German or Swedish origin too.

What's wrong with putting a Finn on the throne? Nothing against the idea of putting a foreign royal on a country's throne, but I'm pretty sure these days people prefer to be led by someone of their own nationality.

Anyway, I'm echoing what everyone has said that Finland has never had an independent monarchy (aside from a brief and failed attempt upon independence) nor does it need one. It's already good enough as a republic, and the vast majority of Finns are content with it.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by BigLenny

What's wrong with putting a Finn on the throne? Nothing against the idea of putting a foreign royal on a country's throne, but I'm pretty sure these days people prefer to be led by someone of their own nationality.



Anyway, I'm echoing what everyone has said that Finland has never had an independent monarchy (aside from a brief and failed attempt upon independence) nor does it need one. It's already good enough as a republic, and the vast majority of Finns are content with it.

Not that it'll ever happen, but if it has to be a Finn of ancient royal stock there's always Fredrik von Limburg Stirum at Koski or Anne-Charlotte zu Castell-Rüdenhausen. The latter's father was a first cousin of King Carl Gustav.

[Blog Real]

Frederick Charles was elected the King of Finland by the Parliament of Finland on 9 October 1918. However, with the end of World War I, in light of his German birth and the abdication of Emperor Wilhelm II of Germany ending monarchies in Germany, the arrangement was quickly considered untenable by influential Finns of the time and by Frederick himself. Not much is known of the official stance of the victorious Allied Powers. Frederick Charles renounced the throne on 14 December 1918, without ever arriving in the country, much less taking up his position. Finland then adopted a republican constitution.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince...arles_of_Hesse