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Old 03-21-2021, 05:36 PM
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I never placed much trust in the South Africa story. It's one thing living quietly in the UK and raising your family and quite another - living in a foreign state. What official part would have Harry have - General Governor? I can imagine just how well *this* would have been received. And the security costs would have hit the roof. I remember there was some security noise during their South Africa trip. I can't recall the details but anyway, there would have been much money involved in arranging their security, much more than in the UK.


But this is a secondary matter. I just can't imagine a British prince and his wife basically using South Africa as a learning ground. Colonial past, using other nations' resources, anyone? IMO, it never would have washed.
South Africa's not a realm so there's no post of GG for Harry to take. And if there was it wouldn't be available for him anyway. It would be for a South African person.

I doubted it when it first came out that it was viable (this was even before the tour was announced) but there seems to have been a legitimate discussion about it, with a couple of sources talking about it almost happening then not at the last minute - after the tour they decided it wasn't possible. And it is one the the places they themselves mentioned in the Interview for whatever that is worth. Jacinda Arden seems to have known there were a couple of informal feelers out for NZ although she said nothing was ever discussed with her.

I assume they'd have lived there as "private citizens" like Harry did his gap year and they'd do mostly off camera charity and conservation work. There might certainly be problems with that both with image and cost (especially if they kept flying in and out) and maybe its one of the reasons it didn't happen but I don't think it was entirely impossible. Harry wouldn't have been the only rich, white even titled European to live and work there and he even has maternal cousins in Cape Town but that lifestyle doesn't seem to have been what they had in mind at all.
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Old 03-21-2021, 05:39 PM
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Shame if they are so popular in Canada, that they didn't realise this a year ago. Still, noone in Can wanted to pay their security...
They’re not. They’re only “popular” as long as we, Canadians, do not have to pay for them.
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Old 03-21-2021, 05:41 PM
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South Africa's not a realm so there's no post of GG for Harry to take. And if there was it wouldn't be available for him anyway. It would be for a South African person.

Ias "private citizens" like Harry did his gap year and they'd do mostly off camera charity and conservation work. There might certainly be problems with that both with image and cost (especially if they kept flying in and out) and maybe its one of the reasons it didn't happen but I don't think it was entirely impossible. Harry wouldn't have been the only rich, white even titled European to live and work there and he even has maternal cousins in Cape Town but that lifestyle doesn't seem to have been what they had in mind at all.
if he WERE a private citizen it would be fine.. but he's not. he's a prince, a working prince and I think except as a short term thing, it just wasn't doable for him to take off for SA or New Zealand...
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Old 03-21-2021, 05:45 PM
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For a long while they got the best jobs and all the perks. One look in the Sussexes' calendar will tell you that there's a lot of galas and receptions and awards there - and not a lot of the low-key engagements, where they would just meet someone and talk with people.

It's been also rumored that all the tours were to the destinations of Sussexes' liking - basically, they went where they wanted to go.

They wanted to be "ambassadors" for the Commonwealth, so they got support and suitable positions. There's a severe lack of the "boring" jobs (I do not consider them boring at all), like opening hospitals or supporting local businesses.

But I guess that was not enough for them...
I completely agree, they were given plum jobs, important patronages with their personal interests involved and a promise that they were the "Commonwealth Couple". Although to listen to some of the coverage about why they had to leave you would think they were only ever sent to open a new school toilet in Dunstable or Grimsby.

High profile jobs aren't compatible with being able to come and go as they please and definitely not compatible with the press only printing glowing stories about them and the exact narrative they want for everything.

And there's no way they could get paid by Netflix for a royal tour documentary.

In some ways I do feel sorry for them, there was a lot happening in an extremely short amount of time, anyone would be overwhelmed but nothing about it has been handled well.
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Old 03-21-2021, 05:50 PM
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South Africa's not a realm so there's no post of GG for Harry to take. And if there was it wouldn't be available for him anyway. It would be for a South African person.

I know. I was jokingly trying to convey just how impossible the suggested position of a working prince in any capacity would be. They wouldn't have been relocating to live there permanently, they would have still been senior working British royals and I can't imagine this being compatible with living anywhere but the UK. Even a Commonwealth country would not do. They aren't and never were Prince and Princess of the Commonwealth. To be honest, I was rather surprised by her veil. The Commonwealth nod would be fitting for the spouse of a future head of the Commonwealth, not the sixth in line. Theu are British royals and their high position and visibility couldn't be maintained without glorious jobs... which doesn't mesh with quiet life somewhere in the Commonwealth...Royal tours there would be fine but *living* there... in the style and visibility they desired... not doable, IMO.
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I completely agree, they were given plum jobs, important patronages with their personal interests involved and a promise that they were the "Commonwealth Couple". Although to listen to some of the coverage about why they had to leave you would think they were only ever sent to open a new school toilet in Dunstable or Grimsby.

High profile jobs aren't compatible with being able to come and go as they please and definitely not compatible with the press only printing glowing stories about them and the exact narrative they want for everything.

And there's no way they could get paid by Netflix for a royal tour documentary.

In some ways I do feel sorry for them, there was a lot happening in an extremely short amount of time, anyone would be overwhelmed but nothing about it has been handled well.
well considering that their idea of "earning money" or "making a professional income" seems to be pestering Charles for money, and only taking on some kind of "job deal" when he had refused, I would not feel sorry for them.
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Old 03-21-2021, 05:55 PM
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I know. I was jokingly trying to convey just how impossible the suggested position of a working prince in any capacity would be. They wouldn't have been relocating to live there permanently, they would have still been senior working British royals and I can't imagine this being compatible with living anywhere but the UK. Even a Commonwealth country would not do. T.
I'm sure that this was only meant to be a sabbatical to give them a break, if they were claiming to be very unhappy with the job. They may well have said "Oh we didn't realize it was all so stressful, we don't want to do it.. we need time off" and I'm sure they'd start quoting how Will and Kate had a few years of family time at first.. So the queen considered that if they got a year in SA leading a quiet life, that would give them the needed break and they'd be able to face royal life after it...but Im sure that issues of where would they live and secuirty were enough to derail the idea....
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Old 03-21-2021, 05:59 PM
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For a long while they got the best jobs and all the perks. One look in the Sussexes' calendar will tell you that there's a lot of galas and receptions and awards there - and not a lot of the low-key engagements, where they would just meet someone and talk with people.

It's been also rumored that all the tours were to the destinations of Sussexes' liking - basically, they went where they wanted to go.

They wanted to be "ambassadors" for the Commonwealth, so they got support and suitable positions. There's a severe lack of the "boring" jobs (I do not consider them boring at all), like opening hospitals or supporting local businesses.

But I guess that was not enough for them...
They did do several engagements that involved youth, in Britain, and Harry continued with his charities as well. I remember him helping to serve meals on one engagement. That was hardly glamorous. Neither was WellChild.


And Meghan became involved with the community kitchens project, which brought dark forebodings from the Fail about ‘radical mosques and links to terrorism’ in their usual OTT fashion. That brought her quite a bit of unwarranted criticism actually, in spite of the book being a great success.


The Queen appointed Harry Youth Ambassador for the Commonwealth, he didn’t assume that position for himself. And KP/BP and the Foreign Office and Commonwealth Secretariat in London also plays a large part in where royals are sent on tour. The people concerned don’t just state ‘We wanna’ go there!’ and therefore they’re sent.


Australia, NZ and Oceania were due for a tour so that was decided as a destination. And it was a great success.
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Old 03-21-2021, 05:59 PM
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I'm sure that this was only meant to be a sabbatical to give them a break, if they were claiming to be very unhappy with the job. They may well have said "Oh we didn't realize it was all so stressful, we don't want to do it.. we need time off" and I'm sure they'd start quoting how Will and Kate had a few years of family time at first.. So the queen considered that if they got a year in SA leading a quiet life, that would give them the needed break and they'd be able to face royal life after it...but Im sure that issues of where would they live and secuirty were enough to derail the idea....
...Which would have washed just wonderfully with Harry. He seems to think that his living expenses and security are something that is guaranteed and doesn't change, no matter the circumstances. I can imagine how he took it.
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Old 03-21-2021, 06:05 PM
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...Which would have washed just wonderfully with Harry. He seems to think that his living expenses and security are something that is guaranteed and doesn't change, no matter the circumstances. I can imagine how he took it.
maybe Harry did like hte idea of a quiet year or so, though I dont know if he'd like the reality.. but Im sure Meghan did not really want to be stuck in Africa.. so if the security issue was costly, they could back down and say that they would have liked it but of course they could not do so if they didn't have full security..
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I completely agree, they were given plum jobs, important patronages with their personal interests involved and a promise that they were the "Commonwealth Couple". Although to listen to some of the coverage about why they had to leave you would think they were only ever sent to open a new school toilet in Dunstable or Grimsby.

High profile jobs aren't compatible with being able to come and go as they please and definitely not compatible with the press only printing glowing stories about them and the exact narrative they want for everything.

And there's no way they could get paid by Netflix for a royal tour documentary.

In some ways I do feel sorry for them, there was a lot happening in an extremely short amount of time, anyone would be overwhelmed but nothing about it has been handled well.
Yes, for the year and a half as working royals it was all royal glamour and important events and passion projects, none of the run of the mill opening hospitals or visiting local businesses. The only thing missing from their calendar are some of the bigger events, like the Diplomatic Reception or state visits.

But of course, I agree, no matter what kind of job they were doing for the BRF, their strategy of being half-in, half-our would not work. If the "half-out" part would be some nice english countryside, then sure, I can see it working for a few years (kind of like what William and Catherine did), but they would never be allowed to make money out of their charitable organization or docummentaries on Netflix.

While I do agree that it was too much in too short period of time (no matter what people say, getting married after not even two years of knowing each other is fast, in normal people standards and especially in royal standards), meeting, engagement, marriage, high-profile jobs, child, all in less than 3 years. But I don't feel sorry. They brought all of this on themselves by themselves - they could've taken more time, they could've taken things more slowly and get accustomed to everything.
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well considering that their idea of "earning money" or "making a professional income" seems to be pestering Charles for money, and only taking on some kind of "job deal" when he had refused, I would not feel sorry for them.
Actually I don’t think that was the original idea. I’ve said this in here before, but COVID basically hurt them beyond measure. They wanted to build their “brand” and start making lots of money and they knew they had to do it while they were still hot commodities. That’s the reasoning behind the initial half in, half out idea. They know celebrity is fickle and doing part time Royal duties (glamorous ones only) would ensure they remained in the spotlight indefinitely.

COVID changed all. The pandemic has forced people to see celebrities worldwide in a different, a much less favorable, light. People have moved on from H&M as well and that has significantly impacted the opportunities available to them. Meanwhile, there’s massive bills to pay and very little money coming in. They’re bitter and panicking and that, along with some hope that they could get positive PR to get some new doors to open, resulted in the interview. Unfortunately for them, as we heard from Gayle King, that’s hasn’t opened up the BRF’s deep pockets. It remains to be seen if they’re able to use their victim narrative to make some desperately needed money from other sources.
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Old 03-21-2021, 07:06 PM
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I think the important thing re the move to South Africa or similar ideas was not the details so much as the fact the RF seemed happy to look into them and consider them - a sign of how much they wanted H&M to be happy. There seems wide consensus that these things were talked about. A large issue with a lot of what H&M wanted or saw as going wrong was the speed at which they seemed to want to move and change things. Changing the way things are done is not bad thing - but the RF and their staff do move slowly and carefully in these things (with good reason many would say) which I think seemed to frustrate H&M and make them think it wasn't being taken seriously.
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Old 03-21-2021, 07:32 PM
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Harry’s schedule for 2018 (Gerts Royals) After May some attended with Meghan.

Gert's Royals: Prince Harry - Official Engagements (2018)


There’s not a huge number of award ceremonies and glamour events at all when you cast your eye down from Jan to Dec 2018 (unless playing polo for his charities, sometimes with his brother, are accounted glamorous.) There are quite a few receiving of dignitaries/officials which all royals do, as well as a long tour with his wife.

2020 opens with a shopping centre visit, and unveiling a plaque, then a visit to YouthZone. Glamorous?


https://gertsroyals.blogspot.com/201...ents-2019.html
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Old 03-21-2021, 08:22 PM
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Actually I don’t think that was the original idea. I’ve said this in here before, but COVID basically hurt them beyond measure. They wanted to build their “brand” and start making lots of money and they knew they had to do it while they were still hot commodities. That’s the reasoning behind the initial half in, half out idea. They know celebrity is fickle and doing part time Royal duties (glamorous ones only) would ensure they remained in the spotlight indefinitely.

COVID changed all. The pandemic has forced people to see celebrities worldwide in a different, a much less favorable, light. People have moved on from H&M as well and that has significantly impacted the opportunities available to them. Meanwhile, there’s massive bills to pay and very little money coming in. They’re bitter and panicking and that, along with some hope that they could get positive PR to get some new doors to open, resulted in the interview. Unfortunately for them, as we heard from Gayle King, that’s hasn’t opened up the BRF’s deep pockets. It remains to be seen if they’re able to use their victim narrative to make some desperately needed money from other sources.
Nobody forced them to buy 16 bathrooms .
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Old 03-21-2021, 08:32 PM
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Whether the Sussexes have two bathrooms or six or sixty it’s not costing any members of the general public anything, either in the UK or North America so why is it anybody’s business but theirs?
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Actually I don’t think that was the original idea. I’ve said this in here before, but COVID basically hurt them beyond measure. They wanted to build their “brand” and start making lots of money and they knew they had to do it while they were still hot commodities. That’s the reasoning behind the initial half in, half out idea. They know celebrity is fickle and doing part time Royal duties (glamorous ones only) would ensure they remained in the spotlight indefinitely.

COVID changed all. The pandemic has forced people to see celebrities worldwide in a different, a much less favorable, light. People have moved on from H&M as well and that has significantly impacted the opportunities available to them. Meanwhile, there’s massive bills to pay and very little money coming in. They’re bitter and panicking and that, along with some hope that they could get positive PR to get some new doors to open, resulted in the interview. Unfortunately for them, as we heard from Gayle King, that’s hasn’t opened up the BRF’s deep pockets. It remains to be seen if they’re able to use their victim narrative to make some desperately needed money from other sources.
In general the pandemic showed the Sussexes in not favorable light at all, especially when compared to BRF. They hopped from one mansion to another, cashed in on favors from celebrities they barely know, bought a $14M mansion with 16 bathrooms for themselves in a sunny California, and gave a "woe is me" interview to Oprah, in which their aired their family dirty laundry.

While members of the BRF volunteered, talked to different people, carried on their duty to serve the country and the crown, tried to cheer people up, HMQ changed her traditional birthday celebration... The one thing somebody said - I don't remember where it was or who said it - the BRF are talking with people while the Sussexes are talking to people. We can pretty easily see who came up on top in that comparison.
ETA: Before someone corrects me, yes, I know the Sussexes occasionally volunteered here or there. But while the BRF made this period about the people, Sussexes made it about themselves. This is the crucial difference here.
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Whether the Sussexes have two bathrooms or six or sixty it’s not costing any members of the general public anything, either in the UK or North America so why is it anybody’s business but theirs?


I don’t care. If you can afford it- go for it. Their money, their business.

But I don’t want to hear them complaining about the Bank of Dad closing either.
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Whether the Sussexes have two bathrooms or six or sixty it’s not costing any members of the general public anything, either in the UK or North America so why is it anybody’s business but theirs?

I don't think anyone would care if they hadn't given a two hour interview about how they are victims.
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Whether the Sussexes have two bathrooms or six or sixty it’s not costing any members of the general public anything, either in the UK or North America so why is it anybody’s business but theirs?
It would be nobody's business had they not been complaining that the family cut them off financially after they walked off their job. I am sure Charles gave them a severance payment, as any employer would do.
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