Royal Protocol and Etiquette

[MAfan]

mmm...I know that a man can kiss the hand of a lady only if the hand is bare, but I don't think this is the reason you mean; at least not the only one

[susan alicia]

it is different, I can only assume that they wore one glove because in the presence of someone higher in rank

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[vsriCo]

How do kings/queen/emperors address one another? is it just a casual hello <first name>?

[ashelen]

is a protocol for using gloves? now a days for us communers we use gloves becasue it is cold but i see a lot of cps and queens using them, what is the reason? anyones knows?

[Maura724]

Originally Posted by vsriCo

How do kings/queen/emperors address one another? is it just a casual hello <first name>?

I would assume that it depends on their relationship - those who are close relatives and friends would just use each others' first names, while those who are mere acquaintances probably follow a more formal "ma'am" and "sir."

[Marsel]

Originally Posted by ashelen

is a protocol for using gloves? now a days for us communers we use gloves becasue it is cold but i see a lot of cps and queens using them, what is the reason? anyones knows?

Wearing gloves has always been an essential part of the etiquette.

In past, gloves were all but compulsory. The etiquette has of course relaxed since then, however more traditional Royals (especially the British ones) still wear gloves during official engagements.

As per the royal etiquette, long gloves should be worn at Gala Balls, Court presentations, “White Tie” dinners, dinners in Honour of a dignitary, formal indoor occasions, receptions, on arrival at a luncheon or dinner party and in all other similar cases.
Short gloves are worn upon discretion, however it is highly recommended to wear them in church (or places of worship), at semi-official events, practically at all outdoor events or events where you are expected to be introduced to a large number of people.

There are general rules for both long and short gloves:
* No jewellery should be worn over gloves, with the exception of bracelets.
* If one is wearing gloves, they should be kept on at all times, including when being presented to someone or while dancing (at a formal party). This is more compulsory in case of long gloves.
* When the drinks and hors d’oeuvres are passed, it is recommended to either remove one glove (the right one) or turn gloves back at the wrist. This obviously concerns mostly the long gloves. Short gloves not only can but should be removed before consuming any food.
* At the dining table, the etiquette dictates to either remove only the right glove, or remove both gloves.
* Gloves should be removed when eating, drinking, smoking, applying makeup or playing cards.


As for non-Royals who are presented to Royals, nowadays, it is not necessary to wear gloves during such ceremonies (unless otherwise warned beforehand): however if you do wear gloves, you should not remove them during the presentation.

The etiquette regarding gloves has considerably relaxed lately; the Scandinavian Royals, for example, hardly ever bother with them at all. And if they do wear those, most remove at least one glove upon arrival to great people more ‘informally’.

[susan alicia]

I was looking at stephen poliakoffs "the lost prince" and in a scene women were smoking in the evening while keeping their long gloves on. It made me wonder, the serie is so excellent, did they get it wrong?

[Marsel]

Well, the etiquette does dictate that smoking with gloves on (especially long white ones) is really a big breach, so yes, technically they did get it wrong.
However, I doubt anyone has ever followed all etiquette rules by letter (not to mention that in past a smoking woman was a breach of etiquette all by herself).B esides, I think if the women were alone (there were no gentlemen present), they could relax the rules a bit.

As a side note, as someone who had to wear long white gloves on a couple of occasions, it's a real hell trying not to stain them in any way and no sensible woman would be smoking without taking them off first.

[susan alicia]

the thought crossed my mind that these women did not care about that, worse would be to have smelly hands.
Anyway, if I come across a painting or print (not likable because of as you say the risky business of a woman smoking cigaretttes) I will post it.

[QUOTE=Marsel;1022292]Well, the etiquette does dictate that smoking with gloves on (especially long white ones) is really a big breach, so yes, technically they did get it wrong.
However, I doubt anyone has ever followed all etiquette rules by letter (not to mention that in past a smoking woman was a breach of etiquette all by herself).B esides, I think if the women were alone (there were no gentlemen present), they could relax the rules a bit.

As a side note, as someone who had to wear long white gloves on a couple of occasions, it's a real hell trying not to stain them in any way and no sensible woman would be smoking without taking them off first.[/

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[ashelen]

Originally Posted by Marsel

Wearing gloves has always been an essential part of the etiquette.

you are star, thank you so much! very interesting, so for communers like us, it is a real treat to use them!!!!

[yoyo1987]

in Norway is there the same british etiquette?

[Clemens]

I was wondering whether or not there was a website or a book which includes all the details which are part of the protocol.

Examples:

You may adress a Count with "Your Grace"

You may only get married once. (According to protocol)

You will never offer a toast as it is very rude to do so.

[Jaya]

Is the "Savoir Faire" and the "Savoire Vivre" still available?

[ashelen]

Minding Manners, International Business Etiquette, Corporate Etiquette, Social & Youth Etiquette London, England, UK, Paris, France
I just found this website, maybe someboy else can add something ellse. it is not much you just have to be living in london and have the money to do the courses
I had been asking myself the same if it was a book or soemthing more specific like they use Princess Maxima and Princess Mary when they studied protocol to became princess.
In America I did not find anything where I live in Las Vegas, not much of protocol here.......
Hope someboy can write more information, it owuld be much apreciatte it1

[Clemens]

Jaya i don't know, Thanks for your link Ashelen :) But i'm more interested in specific protocol proper to the gentry and nobility. My Grandmother used to teach me bits of protocol, she seemed to know all these rules by heart, i wish she had had time to teach me a little more.

[susan alicia]

Debrett's Online - the authority on Etiquette, Taste and Achievement

http://www.amazon.com/Debretts-Guide..._bxgy_b_text_c

[Jaya]

Originally Posted by ashelen

is a protocol for using gloves? now a days for us communers we use gloves becasue it is cold but i see a lot of cps and queens using them, what is the reason? anyones knows?

I think other than the touching of another's skin it also had to do with the widespread epidemic of TB around the world.Pls advise.
Today I think that it is decorative,hygienic and keeps the distance of the other person from unwanted familiarity.

[discover212]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

The protocol on meeting a British royal is as follows:
...If you are not a British Citizen, you do not have to curtsy or bow--your choice.

@tiaraprin: Toward the Queen...being a stranger or not, you must ALWAYS bow or cursty.

[Catherine Helvin]

The wearing of gloves has become much more relaxed during and since Princess Diana's time. Even Camilla doesn't wear them much unless it's cold.

[CrownPrincess5]

There was a video I saw where Mary's hat was about to fall off and she was going to shake a parliament guys hand with her left hand. He switched hands for her so she could shake his hands with the right. She looked a little embarassed. She wasn't married to Frederik yet, so I guess she wasn't used to it. If I find the video I will post it here.