If The Duke of Edinburgh outlived The Queen... - Page 3

Jo of Palatine · #41 03-09-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by branchg

When Charles becomes King, we will have to see how he recreates the Dukedom of Edinburgh for Edward. It's possible he will forgo creating his brother Earl of Merinoth and Baron Greenwich as subsidiary titles in favor of his existing earldom and viscountcy. In that case, Edward's eldest son, if any, would hold the courtesy title, Earl of Wessex.

The current creation of the Dukedom of Edinburgh included the standard remainder to male heirs. So, Prince Charles will automatically succeed his father as the 2nd Duke if he is not yet King. If he is already the Sovereign, the titles would merge with the Crown since the King cannot be a peer. At that point, he would recreate it for Edward.

Thank you very much for your answer. As you seem to be knowledgeable about these facts, may I ask another question? Why was prince Philip created Earl of Merinoth and Baron Greenwich in the first place? I mean, the "normal" way would have been to advance in history from Baron Greenwich via Earl of Merinoth to the duke of Edinburgh, while the heir takes on the second highest title as courtesy title. But it was clear from the beginning (or wasn't it?) that the firstborn son of prince Philip and princess Elizabeth would one day be king. Did Charles ever "use" the courtesy title "Earl of Merinoth" as a young boy, when princess Elizabeth was "just" heir presumptive?

branchg · #42 03-09-2006, 08:01 PM

It's traditional for the Sovereign to create subsidiary titles associated with Scotland when granting a royal dukedom in the Peerage of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This is because Great Britain consists of England and Scotland after their union.

james · #43 03-09-2006, 08:56 PM

I think that the British public are very passive and once something becomes familiar it is accepted very quickly. Once upon a time Camilla Parker-Bowles could barely step outside her front door, now she's Charles' wife. Has there been any great protests about this? No, and nor will there be which leads me to believe that she'll eventually become Queen without incident.

Empress · #44 03-09-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crisiñaki

Aren't we getting out of topic here?
That's exactly why there are 3 threads for the Camilla discussion and I wish this won't become number 4:( .

I rather think that QEII and DoE will die very close to each other; it's a fact that losing your significant other, your life partner takes a big toll in old people so I believe that he'll leave Buckingham and live with one of his children, probably with Edward him being the youngest and all.

sorry about the bold but I wanted my point stated without doubts:o

Excuse Me!

I was unaware that there were 3 other topics. Apparently I am not quite as well versed in this forum as you are. I was simply atempting to get some information. And given that the thread had leaned toward this topic, I did not find anything wrong with asking for clarification.

Elspeth · #45 03-09-2006, 09:47 PM

No problem, Empress; that's why ysbel found you those other threads. If you stick around, you'll start recognising the threads and know where to look for them.

Jo of Palatine · #46 03-10-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by branchg

It's traditional for the Sovereign to create subsidiary titles associated with Scotland when granting a royal dukedom in the Peerage of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This is because Great Britain consists of England and Scotland after their union.

You're right. Scotland - I didn't realize that. And Greenwich - wasn't that where the first Elizabeth (and her father Henry VIII. before her) used to spent her "holidays"? Now that sounds like a "twinkling" choice for the husband of the one day to be second Elizabeth.

Aussie Princess · #47 03-10-2006, 04:53 AM

Maybe Edward will inherit his fathers title because he doesn't yet have a dukedom and his brothers do?Is that right?

love_cc · #48 03-10-2006, 06:47 AM

On British Royal Family official website, it has been written that Edward will eventually inherit his father's duedome and I think it is reliable if Queen outlives her husband. But if the Duke outlives his wife, I don't know about Charles's decision at that time, but once he becomes the King, he would not mind anything. Charles loves his family very much even he does not show much his emotions. By the way, if Charles becomes King, who will support his sibilings's living expenditure? Will he cover those like what the Queen does?

branchg · #49 03-10-2006, 09:36 AM

If the Queen survives Prince Philip, Charles will automatically be Duke of Edinburgh as eldest son until he becomes the King. That's why it was stated Edward would succeed to the dukedom after the death of his parents.

User0501 · #50 08-27-2006, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo

And The Prince of Wales is crowned King...

Will his father, The Duke of Edinburgh, still take precedence over him?

Like will people list the royal family like this:

HRH The Duke Edinburgh
HM The King
HM The Queen
HRH The Prince of Wales
etc...

Like that?

If HRH The Duke of Edinburgh outlives HM The Queen,HRH Prince Charles of Wales would still become King of England as HRH Prince Philip is not the rightful heir to the British throne as he is not a native Briton but was made a Briton upon marriage to the then HRH Princess Elizabeth now HM Queen Elizabeth II.Prince Philip would take precedence after Prince Charles and Camilla but before Prince William.

Jo of Palatine · #51 08-27-2006, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by srivishnu

If HRH The Duke of Edinburgh outlives HM The Queen,HRH Prince Charles of Wales would still become King of England as HRH Prince Philip is not the rightful heir to the British throne as he is not a native Briton but was made a Briton upon marriage to the then HRH Princess Elizabeth now HM Queen Elizabeth II.Prince Philip would take precedence after Prince Charles and Camilla but before Prince William.

Isn't it up to the new king to create the order of precedence? I seem to remember that when Queen Mum was still alive she was the second in the order of precedence because she had been Queen Consort. Then came the Duke of Edinburgh and then The Prince of Wales. So you're right, it makes most sense to let The Duke of Edinburgh come right after the king and queen as he has a similar position to the late QM.

branchg · #52 08-27-2006, 11:02 AM

Prince Philip was granted precedence ahead of all the princes of the blood royal in 1957 when he became a prince of the UK. So once Charles becomes King, he would be second in the order of precedence, followed by Prince William.

User0501 · #53 08-27-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

Isn't it up to the new king to create the order of precedence? I seem to remember that when Queen Mum was still alive she was the second in the order of precedence because she had been Queen Consort. Then came the Duke of Edinburgh and then The Prince of Wales. So you're right, it makes most sense to let The Duke of Edinburgh come right after the king and queen as he has a similar position to the late QM.

Even if the new king to create a new order of precedence,still HRH Prince Philip would be ahead of all the royal princes but after the new king and queen as HRH is the consort of the previous monarch,Elizabeth II.

kelly9480 · #54 08-27-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by srivishnu

If HRH The Duke of Edinburgh outlives HM The Queen,HRH Prince Charles of Wales would still become King of England as HRH Prince Philip is not the rightful heir to the British throne as he is not a native Briton but was made a Briton upon marriage to the then HRH Princess Elizabeth now HM Queen Elizabeth II.Prince Philip would take precedence after Prince Charles and Camilla but before Prince William.

Philip was already a Briton due to the Sophia Naturalization Act. Philip's precedence can be changed at any time with a royal decree, so you can't automatically state Philip will rank after Charles because Charles could change it (though I doubt he would).

User0501 · #55 08-27-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kelly9480

Philip was already a Briton due to the Sophia Naturalization Act. Philip's precedence can be changed at any time with a royal decree, so you can't automatically state Philip will rank after Charles because Charles could change it (though I doubt he would).

What I meant by Briton is that a person who is a native British citizen (born in Britain) not else where.

Henri M. · #56 08-28-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo

And The Prince of Wales is crowned King...

Will his father, The Duke of Edinburgh, still take precedence over him?

Like will people list the royal family like this:

HRH The Duke Edinburgh
HM The King
HM The Queen
HRH The Prince of Wales
etc...

Like that?

For 100% sure that The King alsways and ever has precedence.

1 HM The King
2 the spouse to HM The King
3 HRH The Duke of Edinburgh
4 HRH The Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, etc.
5 HRH The Duchess of Cornwall, Duchess of Rothesay, etc.
5 HRH The Prince Henry
6 HRH The Princess Henry

Tzu An · #57 09-01-2006, 11:18 PM

I think if Philip outlived the Queen, he'd strangle Fergie.

laduchesse · #58 09-02-2006, 11:31 AM

What an interesting topic "If the Duke outlived the Queen." I enjoyed reading it until I saw that it got off track and started discussing the Duchess of Cornwall's status after the Queen's death. I thought there was a thread specifically for this topic elsewhere....

Warren · #59 09-03-2006, 06:02 AM

Posts discussing the Duchess of Cornwall's position when Charles becomes King have been moved to the King Charles & Queen Camilla thread.

Henri M. · #60 09-04-2006, 01:41 PM

HRH The Prince Philip, 1st Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich is a Peer of the Realm.

When he passes away, then all his peerage titles will be inherited by his eldest son. He will then be HRH The Prince Charles of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Duke of Edinburgh, etc. etc.

When Prince Charles should die, then his son Prince William will become Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Duke of Edinburgh, etc. etc. and eventually at a later stage created Prince of Wales.

Would Prince Charles become King, then the Dukedom of Edinburgh will merge with the Crown and becomes 'vacant'. It is up to the King to create a new Dukedom of Edinburgh, for an example on his brother Prince Edward. He will become the 1st Duke of Edinburgh (of a new creation).