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I bet you any money Camilla will be Queen.
I'm with you!
I bet you any money Camilla will be Queen.
I'm not challenging the information but I can't find it on the site. Could you tell me where to look? Thanks in advance.
Edited to add: I see it now!
Too bad.
Phillip was Prince since his marriage.
I am afraid some of what you say is not exactly accurate.Phillip was Prince since his marriage. Camilla would be following precedent to become Princess rather than queen. This is a nicer title than Queen Consort, which sounds like she is nothing except for Charles consorting with her. Of course she would not be following precedent of the Queen Mother Elizabeth. Camilla could then remain a Princess if Charles predeceases her. She would have a nice title belonging to her alone, like Princess Alice of Gloucester, who chose this title with the queen's permission after her son married and there was another Duchess of Gloucester in her family. Alice didn't like the title Dowager Duchess, and I don't blame her. It's awkward for Camilla if she becomes a widow, as she can't be called Queen Mother; she is not William's mother. As Princess she can go on indefinitely even with a new Queen. That's all speculation, of course, as to who will pass on first, Charles or Camilla.
The wife of a King is a Queen Consort, without exception, just as the Queen Mother was, all the way back to medieval times. Should Charles predecease Camilla, and should he have been King at that time, Camilla would probably be known as something like Dowager Queen Consort. Princess Alice was known as Princess in her own right because the Queen allowed her to keep the title rather than taking the title of Dowager Duchess, but I don't remember why.
If Charles predeceases Camilla after his accession to the Throne, she will be known as Her Majesty Queen Camilla and will be The Dowager Queen Consort.
If Charles predeceases Camilla before his accession to the Throne, she will be the Dowager Duchess of Cornwall (although she'll probably continue to be known simply as The Duchess of Cornwall, especially since there will be no new Duchess of Cornwall for decades).
We don't know how long it will be before there is another Duke of Cornwall. It Kate's baby is a boy he will instantly be Duke of Cornwall the moment his father becomes King.
Now if Charles were to predecease his mother there would be a new Duke of Cornwall not too long afterwards - certainly not decades (I don't see The Queen living another 20+ years).
The only way Camilla will legally be The Princess Consort is if the Parliaments of all countries of the Realm pass legislations specifically depriving Camilla of a title that would otherwise be rightfully and automatically hers the moment Charles ascends to the Throne - and chances of that happening are virtually non-existent.
Further to Roslyn's post above, is this affected and how, by the "Royal Styles and Titles Act ", Commonwealth of Australia 1973?
Phillip was Prince since his marriage. Camilla would be following precedent to become Princess rather than queen. This is a nicer title than Queen Consort, which sounds like she is nothing except for Charles consorting with her. Of course she would not be following precedent of the Queen Mother Elizabeth. Camilla could then remain a Princess if Charles predeceases her. She would have a nice title belonging to her alone, like Princess Alice of Gloucester, who chose this title with the queen's permission after her son married and there was another Duchess of Gloucester in her family. Alice didn't like the title Dowager Duchess, and I don't blame her. It's awkward for Camilla if she becomes a widow, as she can't be called Queen Mother; she is not William's mother. As Princess she can go on indefinitely even with a new Queen. That's all speculation, of course, as to who will pass on first, Charles or Camilla.
I thought Philip became the Duke of Edinburgh on his marriage. It wasn't till 1957 that his wife, the Queen, made him a Prince of the UK.
OK.. question. When Charles becomes King, he will also become the Duke of Lancaster correct? Couldn't Camilla then be styled as The Duchess of Lancaster if she chose?
You're right with the DOE thing, but Camilla cannot be the Duchess of Lancaster. Philip isn't the Duke of Lancaster, his wife is.
The title of "Duke of Lancaster" is sort of a fiction anyways. There's a Duchy of Lancaster held by the monarch, but there isn't really a duke anymore since the sovereign can't also be a peer. The Queen has approved its use in toasts, though, so it's not entirely dead.
Thanks everyone for clarifying this incredibly complex title issue. I'm relieved that Queen Camilla would not have to be Dowager or Queen Mother.
Camilla would never be the Queen Mother as she has no children with the Prince of Wales.
Queen mother - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As far as Camilla's concerned, the whole "Princess Consort" thing, like being known as "the Duchess of Cornwall" when legally she's the Princess of Wales, is a sop to people who're obsessive about Diana.
Queen Victoria is sometimes referred to as "Queen Victoria, Duchess of Lancaster," but that's incorrect - Queens Regnant are Dukes of Lancaster..
I'm not convinced Wikipedia's right there. As I understand it, Queen Mother is just a "nicer" term for Queen Dowager as in the widow of a king, rather than meaning the mother of the current monarch. I think Queen Victoria's mother was keen to use something similar, but couldn't as she'd never been queen.
Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary were never known as "the Queen Mother". I think it was used for the late Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother mainly because her daughter was also called Elizabeth and having two people known as "Queen Elizabeth" as the same time would have been too confusing.
As far as Camilla's concerned, the whole "Princess Consort" thing, like being known as "the Duchess of Cornwall" when legally she's the Princess of Wales, is a sop to people who're obsessive about Diana. What happened to Diana was tragic, but hopefully by the time Charles becomes king people will have moved on from it and Camilla will have the title of queen.
I'm not convinced Wikipedia's right there. As I understand it, Queen Mother is just a "nicer" term for Queen Dowager as in the widow of a king, rather than meaning the mother of the current monarch. I think Queen Victoria's mother was keen to use something similar, but couldn't as she'd never been queen.
Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary were never known as "the Queen Mother". I think it was used for the late Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother mainly because her daughter was also called Elizabeth and having two people known as "Queen Elizabeth" as the same time would have been too confusing.
I'm not convinced Wikipedia's right there. As I understand it, Queen Mother is just a "nicer" term for Queen Dowager as in the widow of a king, rather than meaning the mother of the current monarch. I think Queen Victoria's mother was keen to use something similar, but couldn't as she'd never been queen.
Queen Alexandra and Queen Mary were never known as "the Queen Mother". I think it was used for the late Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother mainly because her daughter was also called Elizabeth and having two people known as "Queen Elizabeth" as the same time would have been too confusing.