General News about Frederik, Mary and Family Part 20: December 2023 -


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Well I will say "disastrous" is a harsh term that does not apply here. The comms team did not double down or keep digging a hole for themselves nor did they dig in their heels or change/spin narrative. They tries something different. It did not work as they intended. They corrected course. Period. End of story. This really is not that complicated to figure out. Now it seems just an exercise in harping on a point even though the point has been made and it appear more the chance to just take shots and the royal couple. This is going around in circles.
 
So we should all stop talking about it because they did the right thing in the end?

The world is full of things we still talk about despite the right decision being made in the end.

I think most people probably just want to understand why a very wrong decision was made in the first place.
 
Why Mary? Christian is 18 and maybe had other plans. I think he and Frederik can't travel (fly) together. Who knows.

Let see if other pap photos come out but from the cover, Frederik and Mary were spotted in the Alps.
Actually, as the DRF communications department seemed to have snarkily asked the press to do ahead of the Easter debacle: The flag will tell.

If Frederik is in the country, obviously the Royal Flag flies over his residence. However if Christian had served as regent during the Easter holiday, his own flag (as heir to the throne) had flown over Amalienborg. Since BT claims to "have information" that Mary had stayed behind, I'm fairly certain it was the "rigsforstander" flag that flew over Frederik VIII's Palace last week as Mary is the only resident of Frederik VIII's Palace who can a "rigsforstander".

yes - it seems like they were willing and aware enough to realize that their change while good in theory maybe did not work out in implementation. Instead of digging in their heels and digging a bigger hole (like other RFs may do) they just shift gears and corrected course. No harm - no foul - no endless months of speculation, misinformation festering or wild theories (speculations are already out of hand).....moving on.
I think that's overdoing the positive look on the situation quite a bit... If we look past the absolute audacity of whoever greenlit the notice to the press that they could just look at the flags or read Statstidende to find out who's the regent of the day – which is an extremely abrasive response to a very legitimate question – being "willing and aware" of a change being ridiculous, would entail them simply stating who is serving as regent which they seemingly refused to do about the Easter situation.

And judging from the conversations I've had over the Easter holiday, I certainly wouldn't say this situation has been exactly harmless for the DRF. But I digress, if they truly do intend to return to announce the regent, that is a good thing.
 
Well if BT allegedly has information then they should be specific about it because certain tabloids that like to deflect form their own are running with this as fact without producing evidence if same. Further, the spinning is in overdrive fort ust making things up for clicks.

And it is always possible to find individuals that will be upset or negative about something. Are they the majority of the general public or those in agreement with desired narrative by proximity?
 
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Well, because new bosses tend to spend a lot of time at the office when they are taking over a company?
Because by keeping the abdication secret the then M&F couldn't plan for activities where they act in the capacity of a Regent Couple without risking to expose the whole thing?
Because they prioritize time spend with their children? Who may not even have been informed about the upcoming abdication until the last moment? It's after all also a big change for the children. In particular Christian but to an increasing degree also Isabella, who being the first princess for many years to turn eighteen was already very interesting. It's natural, I think, for children, and here I first and foremost think of Vincent and Josephine, to think: What about us? When both their parents are promoted into a new position that will entail a lot of traveling.
I wonder if Frederik looked back at his own teenage years and remembered what he felt with having absent parents. Perhaps they want to avoid that? - If that's the case then I think it's not only a good thing but also wise. It may help to avoid rebellious behavior or unfortunate behavior simply to get attention.
First, pardon for the super late reply. Secondly, did I word my post wrong since you seem to assume I want them to immediately work more than before rather than just keeping a decent workload somewhat on par with what they kept before?

At a stretch, Mary has now had 22 engagements spanning over 10 working days spanning over 74 days in total since 22 February 2024. I wasn't particularly blown away by her engagement tally in 2023 either but just a quick comparison between last year (Crown Princess) and this year (Queen): Over the span of only two months (January to February), or 59 days, in 2023, she recorded a total of 27 engagements (and that's not counting a fluff engagement like being spotted at the theatre). So we're not seeing a continuation of her usual workload, we're seeing a significant decrease.

I want to reiterate that you'll find no bigger admirer of Mary than me. But with true admiration comes an obligation to acknowledge when someone you admire is in the wrong (which is also the reason I bring up Mary specifically – rather than her and Frederik (who I also think has a truly unimpressive engagement count so far) – here). And as I said, unless it turns out she's secretly been doing a new degree or something extraordinary like that which would take up her time, I don't think a total of 22 engagements over 74 days is good enough – even when you factor in changes behind the scenes.

As for M&F prioritising spending time with their children, well... just a teensy bit funny as I have on very good authority that while all members of the family indeed were out of the country during the winter holidays, M&F didn't spend it with either of their 4 children. Nothing wrong with that at all – rather, I think it's healthy for a couple to spend time together without their children. I just don't think it's fair to use the kids as an excuse for their unimpressive workload after the accession.

Combined with a very weird new communications tactic of being more closed off, I maintain it isn't a flattering look. But hopefully just beginner's trouble.

Well if BT allegedly has information then they should be specific about it because certain tabloids that like to deflect form their own are running with this as fact without producing evidence if same. Further, the spinning is in overdrive fort ust making things up for clicks.

And it is always possible to find individuals that will be upset or negative about something. Are they the majority of the general public or those in agreement with desired narrative by proximity?
I thought it was fairly obvious from my post that I didn't exactly go looking for negative opinions but that they came up in conversations ;) (conversations that usually are very positive towards the entire DRF).
 
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As for M&F prioritising spending time with their children, well... just a teensy bit funny as I have on very good authority that while all members of the family indeed were out of the country during the winter holidays, M&F didn't spend it with either of their 4 children. Nothing wrong with that at all – rather, I think it's healthy for a couple to spend time together without their children. I just don't think it's fair to use the kids as an excuse for their unimpressive workload after the accession.

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Thank you for the extra info. I did see on social media (some fan sites are hard to avoid) that Christian and Isabella were with friends. (School ski trips?)
and yes, it is important for couples to have some alone time.

During Easter, Mary has been spotted with Isabella in the Alps
https://content.invisioncic.com/r38...humb.jpg.13b36c9be6056c91db36b3edcaf9f5c8.jpg

And at least Frederik too was in the Alps
 
:previous: Indeed they were! Both travelled with their respective classes at school to Val Thorens. Not a school trip per se (as attendance is not an obligation) but a proud "gymnasium" tradition (at least in the Copenhagen area, can't speak for the rest of the country) to go skiing on trips organised for the individual schools for the winter holiday :D
 
The reality is, none of us would be having these conversations if:

a) M&F were doing more public engagements after the abdication. Now personallyI don't have an issue with their workload (in part because IMO its always been on the low side) but the principal here IMO is that after a huge fuss and ordeal of the abdication they seem to have gone pretty invisible. Now that may well be because they want to wait until the state vistits to Norway and Sweden or indeed they are working hard behind teh scenes but in cold hard reality it means there is a lack of royal stories so the tabloids are on the look out for anything else they can fill the column inches given to royal stories with. In the absence of reality to report the media will speculate.

b) the Royal Court hadn't tried to make it either harder to know who is regent and when the sovereign is out the country. No matter what the reason for their actions here (whether purely innocent, or intentionally vague to avoid certain rumours and speculation) the fact remains most of the recent comments about the RF and rumours and tabloid stories wouldn't have happened if the Royal Court hadn't tried their "new approach".

I honestly hope the RF had a lovely time away, I do genuinely feel creating normal, balanced children in a loving family is quite an important role of any RF. After all just look at those that didn't have that (Charles, Fred, William & his brother etc) and see the damage it has done. I don't begrudge them holidays at all, but no RF will thrive where they, at best, obfuscate, at worse, mislead, people.
 
:previous: Indeed they were! Both travelled with their respective classes at school to Val Thorens. Not a school trip per se (as attendance is not an obligation) but a proud "gymnasium" tradition (at least in the Copenhagen area, can't speak for the rest of the country) to go skiing on trips organised for the individual schools for the winter holiday :D

Thank you! I love the High School traditions. Our senior year we went to a lake. 😄

More on the Easter holidays

"King Frederik and Queen Mary have been captured in pictures as they left Denmark to enjoy the ski slopes in Verbier during the Easter holidays.
Also on their trip are the children Prince Vincent and Princess Josephine , Prince Christian and Princess Isabella."

Vincent and Frederik

Frederik and Mary
 
First, pardon for the super late reply. Secondly, did I word my post wrong since you seem to assume I want them to immediately work more than before rather than just keeping a decent workload somewhat on par with what they kept before?
Well, admiration without the occasional and sound criticism is worship.
It's unfair to worship anyone, no one can live up to that.

FX&QM needs to do some serious revision of their communications strategy and perhaps also rethink how they wish to present their image.
Because sometimes your critics - however unfair and wrong and annoying you may think they are - have a point.
Because with QMII having abdicated there are no one left to "pass on the ape" to. (DK idiom). The buck ends at FX&QM's table now.

(Aha! There appears to be a limit to how much you can quote. I had to shorten Archduchess Zelia's post, in order to post a reply. - That's an unfortunate glitch.)
 
Thank you! I love the High School traditions. Our senior year we went to a lake. 😄

More on the Easter holidays

"King Frederik and Queen Mary have been captured in pictures as they left Denmark to enjoy the ski slopes in Verbier during the Easter holidays.
Also on their trip are the children Prince Vincent and Princess Josephine , Prince Christian and Princess Isabella."

Vincent and Frederik

Frederik and Mary

Lovely photos! I hope they had a great holiday and nice to know that all four kids were there. Glad they got to spend time as a family - family time all together is very important to provide a balance. Plus, the last few months have been a huge change for the kids as well, especially Christian and to a lesser degree Isabella becoming 2nd in line - and it is important the twins don't feel lost in the shuffle if that makes sense. So taking time away to reconnect as just a family is essential.
 
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Thank you! I love the High School traditions. Our senior year we went to a lake. 😄

More on the Easter holidays

"King Frederik and Queen Mary have been captured in pictures as they left Denmark to enjoy the ski slopes in Verbier during the Easter holidays.
Also on their trip are the children Prince Vincent and Princess Josephine , Prince Christian and Princess Isabella."

Vincent and Frederik

Frederik and Mary
Some photos of Christian and Isabella in Switzerland with their friends during Easter Holidays. And Mary with Isabella as well. Given Mary's outfit, taken the same day as the photo of Mary and Frederik and Frederik skiing with Vincent.
 
Cool to see Christian and Isabella hanging out with friends and together. As we get older, the sibling relationships change and evolve. Nice to see them together.

A few more. Mary, Frederik and Vincent.
It looks like that day, Vincent and Frederik hit the slopes.

With a family of 4 teenagers I like how they split time. Not everyone has the same interest, especially the older ones might want to "chill" more lol. But nonetheless, Easter break together.

More from Verbier and Vincent skiing with Frederik
 
He was seen taking his cigarettes on other pictures. They are among the richest people of Verbier.
 
Now as King, Frederik's birthday will be celebrated with a balcony appearance.


"HM The King’s birthday
HM The King turns 56 years old on 26 May 2024. On this occasion, His Majesty and The Royal Family will appear on the balcony of Frederik VIII’s Palace at 12:00.

The Royal Life Guard will be in red full-dress uniforms on The King’s birthday, and The Life Guard will carry out a grand changing of the guard ceremony on Amalienborg Palace Square at 11:50.

HM Queen Margrethe’s birthday on 16 April
HM Queen Margrethe’s 84th birthday on 16 April 2024 will be celebrated privately at Fredensborg Palace and in connection with the changing of the guard at Fredensborg Palace, The Band of the Royal Life Guards will perform a small concert in the Inner Palace Yard."

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That may be (and certainly others such as Wikipedia and Microsoft Edge have tagged it "unreliable"), but it is the most read online English language newspaper online in the world. Whether what is says is true or not, it is noteworthy that it is saying it, that many millions of people will read it.
 
The Daily Mail is trash (..) It's all nonsense, conjecture, and in some cases, outright fallacies.
Agreed! The Daily Mail (or Daily Fail as many call it) is gutter click bait. Too bad so many people fall for their outright lies and take it as legitimate "journalism" or use their gutter tactics to gaslight. And if that is the most read online paper in the world...well that explains alot about the state of our world.
 
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Probably fed up with the press pack following them waiting for that split second look that they can headline with.

Bingo! She looked away! cue headlines LOL
To me they look like the normal family with teens. easter holiday together. Mary goes with the older two and their friends, Vincent goes with dad to ski a bit more, maybe Josephine preferred to chill and not ski that day....
 
DM mention the alleged affair in every single article that remotely involves Queen Mary.
But at least they don't persist in calling her Mary Donaldson, like they do with Kate Middleton.
- One explanation I heard is that they do it, because that how she was known in the beginning and calling her duchess or Princess of Wales, would merely confuse people. - Indeed, if you consider your readers to be more stupid than a sack of carrots.
Also, right now it's clearly in the agenda of DM to put the core members of the BRF, King Charles and Queen Camilla and the Wales-family in a good light. Also in comparison with foreign royals.
Considering how DM has previously treated Catherine, it is IMO hypocrisy on an astonishing level.
 
Queen Mary will be a nice new Queen liking solo engagements. They will be to gether for the coming State Visits. Will the Crown Prince study or going to the Army.?
 
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I was expecting something from Mary.

While Charles and Camilla, and William and Kate, have sent condolences, this took place in Mary’s old suburb and local shopping centre … more personal.

 
King Frederik released a message today following the destructive fire at Denmark's historic old stock exchange building in the centre of Copenhagen:

This morning we woke up to a sad sight, as smoke over Copenhagen's roofs bore witness to the devastating fire at the Stock Exchange. An important part of our architectural cultural heritage was and continues to be in flames.For 400 years, Christian IV's building Børsen has been a significant landmark for Copenhagen.Through generations, the characteristic dragon spire has helped to define Copenhagen as the "city of towers".Until today, we have regarded the historic building as a beautiful symbol of our capital and a building that we, as a nation, have been proud of.The Queen and I would like to thank all those who, since early this morning, have ensured that no one has been injured, and who have fought to save as much as possible of both the building as well as the many cultural treasures and works of art that Børsen contains. Frederick R.


 
It’s indeed a very characteristic tower. Glad to read that nobody was wounded but still a loss for the city.
 
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