Future Home for Prince Harry


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Seeing the massive renovations coming to Buckingham Palace (and do not underestimate the disruption and nuisance it causes) I can see the future King and Queen keeping residence at Clarence House, while using still functioning parts of Buckingham Palace for official functions and as office.

That means that Clarence House will possibly not be available for the future Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge (William and Catherine). So possibly there will not be much of a carroussel after the accession of King Charles until the renovation works of Buckingham Palace are finished.

Note that any solution in which the palace is partly kept in function only accelerates the costs. It is easier to have the whole building emptied and totally accessible for renovation, than to do it part by part, including costly preparations to shield the functioning parts from asbestose removal, dirt, dust, noise, drilling, trembling coming from the constrution site-next-door.

This means that the main appartments of Kensington Palace, now occupied by William & Catherine, will possibly not be available for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for quite a number of years.
 
They can surely work that out somehow. Especially if William is not interested in living there and Harry and Meghan would, it would probably in everyone's best interest if Harry and Meghan would live there.

Most members of the BRF, IMO, are well used to living within their means and not over extending themselves. I would be surprised if H&M were to take on a home far bigger than they need, and one that could financially stretch them.

I am aware that the main cost is related to all the 'extra's' but depending on how the estate is used, the duchy could probably take care of that part.

Why should William be left out-of-pocket to fund his brothers lifestyle?

Especially, if the alternative is that the estate is not used by anyone, in that case the duchy still has to pay for the upkeep somehow.

If William did not want to live in it, the alternative for the Duchy would be to sell it.

Seeing the massive renovations coming to Buckingham Palace (and do not underestimate the disruption and nuisance it causes) I can see the future King and Queen keeping residence at Clarence House, while using still functioning parts of Buckingham Palace for official functions and as office.

That means that Clarence House will possibly not be available for the future Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge (William and Catherine). So possibly there will not be much of a carroussel after the accession of King Charles until the renovation works of Buckingham Palace are finished.

Note that any solution in which the palace is partly kept in function only accelerates the costs. It is easier to have the whole building emptied and totally accessible for renovation, than to do it part by part, including costly preparations to shield the functioning parts from asbestose removal, dirt, dust, noise, drilling, trembling coming from the constrution site-next-door.

This means that the main appartments of Kensington Palace, now occupied by William & Catherine, will possibly not be available for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for quite a number of years.

I completely agree with you, and it is a point I have made previously (just not today ?). Irrespective of when he becomes King, BP will not be available for Charles to move into for at least a decade from now, and therefore, the Cambridge's will not be moving out of KP in the near term. Apt 1A is, therefore, not a contender for the Sussex's.
 
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Most members of the BRF, IMO, are well used to living within their means and not over extending themselves. I would be surprised if H&M were to take on a home far bigger than they need, and one that could financially stretch them.
You just said that the problem was with the estate. So, if large parts of the estate are used for different purposes than the private enjoyment of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, to me it would make complete sense that they would not be asked to foot the bill for the whole estate. If, however, nobody is interested in the estate, they can of course sell it. It's not that they need to live there, I just don't want to rule it out completely.

Why should William be left out-of-pocket to fund his brothers lifestyle?

If William did not want to live in it, the alternative for the Duchy would be to sell it.
I am sure William and Catherine will be fine. But I'd rather leave it to William and the Duchy to decide what to do with it than decide for them that Harry is not allowed to live there because William should do so by moving out of the country house he loves or sell it.

The only thing we can do is wait and see (and discuss ;) )

I completely agree with you, and it is a point I have made previously (just not today ?). Irrespective of when he becomes King, BP will not be available for Charles to move into for at least a decade from now, and therefore, the Cambridge's will not be moving out of KP in the near term. Apt 1A is, therefore, not a contender for the Sussex's.

Is there anyone who thinks it is?

I don't see them moving out at all until he becomes King.
 
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I quite agree, William & Kate will be at Kensington Apt1A as their London base for quite some time to come.

Probably their family will grow up there, and once the younger ones are ready to leave the nest they'll be more prepared and flexible for transitions of the Monarchy. William seems to sincerely wish his father continued good health and a long reign.

I think they are renting because they realize how much things can/will change in the next 5 years. {...}
The plot their rental is on is actually fairly small and has no estate. So the rental is actually very smart.

Please share your assessment of which property they are renting - I'm stilll wondering what house it could possibly be, while you sound quite certain. So many of the places visible seem to need such serious renovation. The Great Tew Estate doesn't show/broadcast their offerings on the internet.

I'd even started to wonder if maybe they'd taken one of the larger cottages in Soho Farmhouse for the two year lease.

Whatever the lease terms, it does seem clear that privacy has been extremely well and favorably spelled out. On that I certainly agree.

Nice overhead view so you can see the location of the 'cottage' Looks like it has some privacy with all the trees.

Do the Royal Windsor Horse Show and Land Rover Car show still take place in the Home Park fields and paddocks immediately adjacent to the location you indicate for Adelaide Cottage?

I read an internet article saying the cottage was the old Keeper's Lodge.
Is that true, and at the indicated location?
 
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This from the royal website

”The Sovereign Grant meets the cost of official journeys undertaken by or in support of The Queen and other members of the Royal Family.

Travel by The Queen, The Duke of Edinburgh, The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall and The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge between residences is categorised as official.”

So although the royal helicopter is available for all royals for official engagements, it’s limited to HM, Charles and William when traveling between residences

Thank you for providing this information in this thread Rudolph! I had seen you state this in another thread that is why I made the comment that I did as I was referring to travel between RESIDENCES and not official travel to engagements.
 
We also have to remember that as the future king, William has use of the official transportation to travel between royal residences. Recently, we saw him, Kate and baby Louis travel from Anmer to London via royal helicopter to attend the state banquet of the king and queen of the Netherlands. Harry will not have the same advantages. So, distance from London will be a key factor in choosing a country home.

Harry would have the exact same advantage in using the helicopter in this particular set of circumstances. The Cambridges were traveling from Anmer for an official engagement, not to come to London for personal reasons. They were not just traveling between residences.

I don't know if Harry & Meghan would want to live at Highgrove, but I really can see them there more than William & Catherine. Charles could pay rent for Harry to the Duchy of Cornwall.

I really don't think there is any official "official residence" for anyone except the monarch. And BP won't be available with the ongoing construction/renovation for many years. So Charles & Camilla will continue to live at CH. And even when/if they move to BP, I do not think William & Catherine will move there--it is not the official residence of the Prince of Wales, it is the current official residence of this particular Prince of Wales.

Various residences have been rented out or repurposed over the years. And they will continue to be in the future.
 
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Read Rudolph's post which explains clearly. Harry will not have the same advantage as William in that circumstance.
 
Where do they live now? In Kensington Palace?
 
Read Rudolph's post which explains clearly. Harry will not have the same advantage as William in that circumstance.

Yes, they should--the state banquet was an official engagement.

This from the royal website

”The Sovereign Grant meets the cost of official journeys undertaken by or in support of The Queen and other members of the Royal Family.


... the royal helicopter is available for all royals for official engagements,...
 
Harry has used the Royal helicopter to get to and from engagements and will undoubtedly do so again. Andrew and Edward have also used the Royal helicopter on occasions as I'm sure have other members of the BRF. It's not restricted to the Cambridges, the Queen's or Charles and Camilla's use.

Every royal has the ability to use the royal helicopter for official engagements however only the Queen and Philip, Charles and Camilla and William and Kate are allowed to class travelling between their homes as official and get it paid for by the Sovereign grant. Harry and the other royals have to pick up the cost of travelling between residences.

I don't see that William and Kate will have access to every residence that Charles does now. Highgrove is owned by the duchy, as is the Welsh house. Birkhall is the only one I really see that they may take up. I think it likely they will stay at KP rather than move to Clarence House unless George is old enough to need a residence by then.
 
This article out today mentions the Sussexes might be looking to take up residence in St.James Palace

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-reveal-Hurricane-Meghan-shaking-Royals.html

"Meanwhile, there’s speculation over where Harry and Meghan – with a baby on the way in the spring – will make their London home. Up until now, it’s been widely expected the Sussexes would move from their current two-bedroom Nottingham Cottage into Kensington Palace’s lavish 21-room Apartment 1 – right next door to William and Kate’s huge home.

But now there’s a spanner in the works – the incumbents, the Duke of Gloucester and his wife Birgitte, are said to want to stay put – and there’s talk of Harry and Meghan moving further afield to St James’s Palace. "

I think the Sussexes will get a house in the country (cotswold or Windsor) and smaller residence or apartments in London at KP or at St. James.
 
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I don't understand why some of you believe the Daily Fail. Harper Bazaar said the story is not true. Harry and Meghan are not planning to leave KP.
 
Every royal has the ability to use the royal helicopter for official engagements however only the Queen and Philip, Charles and Camilla and William and Kate are allowed to class travelling between their homes as official and get it paid for by the Sovereign grant. Harry and the other royals have to pick up the cost of travelling between residences.

I don't see that William and Kate will have access to every residence that Charles does now. Highgrove is owned by the duchy, as is the Welsh house. Birkhall is the only one I really see that they may take up. I think it likely they will stay at KP rather than move to Clarence House unless George is old enough to need a residence by then.

I'm not sure I understand why Highgrove and the Welsh house being owned by the Duchy would make it less like that William and Kate would take them up. Birkhall is the least likely for them to take up, IMO, since it's owned directly by Charles as an inheritance from QEQM.

Upthread there was a suggestion that Charles might pay the rent for Harry to stay at Highgrove. I think it's more likely that Charles will pay rent to the Duchy for *Charles* to remain at Highgrove. (Raymill will still be Camilla's bolthole, after all.) However, those terms would be worked out between the administrators of the Duchy and Charles, not William and Charles.

Selling Highgrove is unlikely in the extreme given the 30,000 annual visitors and the close tie between the Highgrove Estate and the Duchy Home Farm, which supplies ingredients for Duchy Originals products.

I think it's fair to say that neither Highgrove nor Anmer are options for Harry and Meghan. KP has also been very clear that K&W will be in 1A for the long term with the implication being "until he's king". K&W have put way too much effort into making Anmer into a family home for their children to uproot them.

There's a certain part of me that wishes that H&M would get Apartment 10, if only because Princess Michael has spent the last decade pointing out how much better the Gloucesters' apartment would be for first William and now Harry. It would serve her right to have those particular chickens come home to roost.
 
Well, given that Meghan is at least three months pregnant, probably four, and the Sussexes will need an at least decent sized London residence of some sort in future years, a decision will have to be made by somebody soon.

Meghan has no convenient Bucklebury to take her baby to, Nott Cott is miles too small for the couple, plus nanny and baby, and so...? Do they go off to a rented property in the Cotswolds for several months, then?

Considering every one of the Queen's children has one property not bought by themselves, plus William has too, are Harry and Meghan just going to be left to their own devices, with the dismissive tone in that article 'Oh they have their own money, they can buy elsewhere in London' prevailing? Apparently Harry is to be treated differently to everyone else.

Plus, the report at the term of William and Kate's wedding that the Gloucesters were oh so willing to move out of their apartment in favour of the Cambridges was a bunch of lies apparently. Either that or the Press has decided to push 'The Sussexes want to throw a hardworking couple out of their old home' line!
 
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Meghan has no convenient Bucklebury to take her baby to, Nott Cott is miles too small, for the couple, plus nanny and baby, and so...? Do they go off to a rented property in the Cotswolds for several months, then? ......

Plus, the report at the term of William and Kate's wedding that the Gloucesters were oh so willing to move out of their apartment in favour of the Cambridges was a bunch of lies apparently. Either that or the Press has decided to push 'The Sussexes want to push a hardworking couple out of their old home' line!

Oh, I don't think the media have any more idea than anyone else whether the Sussexes actually have a rented home in the Cotswolds, are moving to another apartment in KP, are planning a move to St. James Palace, or Windsor, or anywhere else. They are just trailing a bunch of stuff out there and hoping something sticks so that at some point in the future they can say "Aha! We told you so! And please ignore the 28 other theories we also floated that were wrong. Just pretend you never read those."
 
What about the apartment used by the Queen's former private secretary Sir Christopher Geidt?

The apartment is supposed to be beautiful by all accounts, but there's no real back garden. If the couple is going to have a couple of children that's a bit of a drawback.
 
Considering every one of the Queen's children has one property not bought by themselves, plus William has too, are Harry and Meghan just going to be left to their own devices, with the dismissive tone in that article 'Oh they have their own money, they can buy elsewhere in London' prevailing? Apparently Harry is to be treated differently to everyone else.

Plus, the report at the term of William and Kate's wedding that the Gloucesters were oh so willing to move out of their apartment in favour of the Cambridges was a bunch of lies apparently. Either that or the Press has decided to push 'The Sussexes want to throw a hardworking couple out of their old home' line!

That is probably a no go anyway. I thought someone, maybe Princess Anne?, wanted to buy an apartment/home in London at one point and the RPO put a kibosh on that idea because it would be too difficult to secure. This was years ago and security is as much an issue now as it was then.

Did you mean Harry and Meghan where you wrote William and Kate?:flowers:
 
Why do Harry and Meghan need two homes? Harry is a younger son. Traditionally the younger children have had ONE home - either in the country with a small apartment in London (in BP for Andrew, Anne and Edward for instance) OR they have had a large London apartment and nothing in the country e.g. Margaret.

Birkhall was not inherited by Charles. It is part of the Balmoral estate and thus belongs to the Queen in the same way that Anmer is part of the Sandringham estate. When George VI died The Queen gave Birkhall to the Queen Mum and from there to Charles but it is NOT his personal property.

Highgrove is Duchy property. When William is Duke of Cornwall he may decide that his father can no longer live there, or allow him to continue under the current arrangements or decide he wants to have it sold and put it through all the necessary processes for the Duchy to sell an asset (not a simple process).

Where the Sussexes turn up will be decided by a number of factors including how much Harry is prepared to put into his own pocket to spend on a home. He is a multi-millionaire thanks to his inheritance from his mother and so could afford to pay for a house of his own and shouldn't expect either his father or grandmother to provide him with a home. William is the future King and his situation is very different. Harry will move further and further from the centre of the BRF over the decades while William will only move closer - note that he has always been lower in the line of succession than Andrew was for the first 22 years of his life.
 
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No, reports that the Gloucesters were willing to move out of their apartment for the then newlyweds William and Kate were around in early 2011 and have resurfaced with regard to Harry and Meghan.
 
Maybe Harry and Meghan are happy to stay in cosy Nott. Cott. for a couple of years at least.

They possibly have access to guest accommodation at all of Charles' homes and at William's house.
I can see Harry finding it quite attractive not to own a large house until they are sure where Meghan feels like settling and where they want to send their children to school and where they want to holiday.
A house in Hawaii might be an option.
 
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I would think that any residence for Harry and Meghan that would be deemed their main residence would be in the UK. As Harry is, and will be, a Counsellor of State most likely until the Cambridge children reach their majority, living outside of the UK is not going to happen.
 
Why do Harry and Meghan need two homes? Harry is a younger son. Traditionally the younger children have had ONE home - either in the country with a small apartment in London (in BP for Andrew, Anne and Edward for instance) OR they have had a large London apartment and nothing in the country e.g. Margaret.

Birkhall was not inherited by Charles. It is part of the Balmoral estate and thus belongs to the Queen in the same way that Anmer is part of the Sandringham estate. When George VI died The Queen gave Birkhall to the Queen Mum and from there to Charles but it is NOT his personal property.

Highgrove is Duchy property. When William is Duke of Cornwall he may decide that his father can no longer live there, or allow him to continue under the current arrangements or decide he wants to have it sold and put it through all the necessary processes for the Duchy to sell an asset (not a simple process).

Where the Sussexes turn up will be decided by a number of factors including how much Harry is prepared to put into his own pocket to spend on a home. He is a multi-millionaire thanks to his inheritance from his mother and so could afford to pay for a house of his own and shouldn't expect either his father or grandmother to provide him with a home. William is the future King and his situation is very different. Harry will move further and further from the centre of the BRF over the decades while William will only move closer - note that he has always been lower in the line of succession than Andrew was for the first 22 years of his life.
I’m not sure what this is about. I think most of us are aware that the Sussexes will be provided with one major home as all previous precedents have indicated. The issue here is they haven’t been provided with even ONE main home. And hence the speculation. Some of us obviously disagrees with how they’ll go about it (city vs. country as main home). But I’m not sure how that would involve Harry popping into his own pocket. As a working royal, he cannot hold any for profit career like his cousins can. And therefore being provided with a sizeable home either purchased by his father or grandmother or something on the Crown Estate or Palaces is expected.

Unless the Cambridges have another child, Harry will remain in his place or move closer to the Crown for the next 20 some odd years. Although I simply don’t see why that matters as people lower than him in the pecking order have been and are continued to be provided with substantial homes.
 
If Harry were to move his main residence outside the UK he would no longer qualify to be a Counsellor of State as residence in the UK is part of the qualifications. That is not a reason for remaining in the UK if he really did want to move elsewhere. There are plenty more to step up if necessary.
 
Harry has never intimated that he wanted to live elsewhere fulltime. And I am sure that his father, grandmother and only sibling would not want him to or speak about him disparagingly.

Plus, there's at least 20 years before William's children are ready to take on fulltime royal duties, so Harry and wife are needed in the UK.

And how far is Edward down the line of succession, and Anne, and Andrew who is reputed to be worth a fortune but didn't buy a house of his own either. The Queen's younger children aren't direct heirs.
 
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I think they'll make their main home in the UK for sure, but where? Meghan is probably familiarising herself with all the counties and suburbs etc. It's early days so they can relax and see what happens.
Some royals do have holiday houses abroad, that's what I meant..
I think Meghan and Harry will continue to travel for the Commonwealth for part of every year.
 
No, reports that the Gloucesters were willing to move out of their apartment for the then newlyweds William and Kate were around in early 2011 and have resurfaced with regard to Harry and Meghan.

Ah, ok. I guess I don’t remember that rumor regarding W&K. I had seen it about H&M. I know stories about Margaret’s old apartment being renovated for W&K were within 6 months of their wedding.

There seem to be even more stories about more possible homes for H&M.
 
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Well, given that Meghan is at least three months pregnant, probably four, and the Sussexes will need an at least decent sized London residence of some sort in future years, a decision will have to be made by somebody soon.

Meghan has no convenient Bucklebury to take her baby to, Nott Cott is miles too small for the couple, plus nanny and baby, and so...? Do they go off to a rented property in the Cotswolds for several months, then?

Considering every one of the Queen's children has one property not bought by themselves, plus William has too, are Harry and Meghan just going to be left to their own devices, with the dismissive tone in that article 'Oh they have their own money, they can buy elsewhere in London' prevailing? Apparently Harry is to be treated differently to everyone else.

Plus, the report at the term of William and Kate's wedding that the Gloucesters were oh so willing to move out of their apartment in favour of the Cambridges was a bunch of lies apparently. Either that or the Press has decided to push 'The Sussexes want to throw a hardworking couple out of their old home' line!

Harper's Bazaar today made two announcements, the second an update from a royal source, the first probably repeating info being gossiped by Daily Fail. So, in the second update, according to HB's source at KP, the Duke & Duchess of Sussex have no plans to leave KP. They also do not plan to move into Apt 1 at KP. For the time being, "Harry and Meghan are happy with life in Oxfordshire and are using Nottingham Cottage at Kensington Palace as their London pied-à-terre."*
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celeb...-prince-harry-moving-house-kensington-palace/

*pied-à-terre = French for 'foot on the ground,' is a small living unit usually located in a large city some distance away from an individual's primary residence.

Earlier in this thread a poster provided the below very interesting blog post link, which includes lots of wonderful photos of Soho Farmhouse in the Cotswolds, the Great Tew Estates, and even a couple of lovely old photos of the Gloucesters inside Apt. 1. While this is a speculative blog post, I found it rather delightful and interesting to read. Of course reader comments are a bit rich, but the blogger herself is fun and lighthearted about her passion for the Sussexes.
https://cotedetexas.blogspot.com/2018/06/harry-meghans-new-house-pssst-i-found.html

The blogger relays as well as debunks a lot of the faux news that comes out almost daily from DF. For myself, I rarely if ever these days click on DF stories because they are generally so scurrilous and are always trying to stir something up about the British royals, and the Sussexes in particular. The blog post was written in late June of this year. It's definitely worthwhile checking out, especially for all the photographs.

In fact, I did not even realize, as mentioned by the blogger, that the Duke of Gloucester grew up in Apt. 1. I never realized that residence had been his parents' London home at KP for many years. So, ding ding: Apt 1 is the Gloucesters' family home, and they aren't about to give it up. So much for them being 'empty nesters!' I would never have given any credence to the reports that the Gloucesters were willingly going to move, had I known that the Duke grew up there with his parents and his older brother, William, who died in a light aircraft crash in 1972. Now, I'm very suspicious too of earlier reports that the Gloucesters had offered to move out of Apt. 1 for W&K. I seriously doubt that! Probably all along there were plans to renovate Apt. 1A for W&K. Both 1 and 1A used to be one huge residence at KP many years ago before being divided, and that's why the adjoining door.

It now makes sense to me that H&M are not interested in living next door to W&K via adjoining door. H&W are close, but their lives are now diverging a bit since they are both married. Harry was the single man, and third wheel tagging along with W&K for awhile. Now, things have changed in a natural, organic way. As print sources indicate, and I think is true: W&K have their own set of friends who are somewhat different from H&M's set, in the sense mainly that Meghan brings an added group of friends to go along with Harry's closest pals. Will & Harry do have a number of similar friends of course, but their wives do not.

Osipi mentioned too awhile ago that M&H may have a totally different outlook on where they are comfortable making their home. For now, apparently Nott Cott is fine for them. It only has two bedrooms, but maybe there's an area where a third bedroom might be carved out. Meghan previously lived life simply and elegantly in her lovely three-bedroom home in Toronto. See the inside in a gallery of photos released by the realtor who put Meghan's former home on the market for $1,395,000:
https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/meghan-markles-toronto-rental-is-for-sale-253633

We've seen some pictures before that Meghan posted on Instagram (of parts of her former bedroom and the living area), but I've never seen a full view of the kitchen and the bathroom, which are interesting to see. This gives me a further sense of Meghan and Harry enjoying living in luxurious style, but also unpretentiously. They may both feel they don't want a huge 21-room apartment at KP, at least for the forseeable future. Perhaps they are nostalgic about Nott Cott. Perhaps Meghan's mother will visit initially for a period of time to help take care of baby Sussex before H&M decide on employing a nanny.

I think Harry is charmed by Meghan's normal, down-to-earth, yet well-bred, middle-class upbringing in California. It's likely a huge part of her appeal, because it is what has made her who she is, as much as her college days in Chicago, her experience on a Hollywood television set as a teenager, and her amazing life in Toronto have played important roles in her adult evolution. Meghan is classy and savvy, and she clearly enjoys the good things life has to offer, but neither she nor Harry may wish to live a grand, palace lifestyle. They have access to that on formal occasions, and when visiting Windsor and Sandringham. But for their personal lives, they may be seeking something a bit smaller, cozier, and less grand scale.

There may possibly be a smaller venue being prepared for H&M at KP that's somewhat larger than Nott Cott. Or, the Sussexes may feel comfortable residing at Nott Cott for another year or so, while they are in London, which apparently is not for long, extended periods of time currently.
 
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