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I wonder if the Windsors would ever make a play for the position; the Kents, the various other families of the nobility of England.
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I doubt it. They all have comfortable lives in a very nice place.
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Passed over by whom? The succession was automatic with Cyril assuming the Headship of the Imperial House with the death of Nicholas II, his son and his brother. All of the surviving dynasts, with the exception of Grand Duke Nicholas and Grand Duke Peter, publicly declared their support of Cyril and agreed with the table of succession.

The Dowager Empress refused to make a statement of any kind because she hoped beyond hope that somehow her son and his family had survived their terrible fate. She did acknowledge privately to her daughters that Cyril had the right to declare himself Head of the Imperial House.
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Branchg, It was informative to learn that the Dowager Empress Marie Feodorovna privately acknowledged to her daughters, the Grand Duchesses Xenia and Olga, that the Grand Duke Cyril had the right to declare himself Head of the Imperial House of Romanov.
Did the Empress Marie Feodorovna ever put this viewpoint in writing?
If Yes, where is the document?
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Leiningens as claimants

I was wondering, did Grand Duchess Maria Kirrilovna's marriage to the 6th Prince of Leiningen count as morganatic? Assuming that Grand Duke Vladimir Cyrrilovich's marriage to Princess Leonida Bagration of Mukhrani and all the other male Romanov dynasts' marriages were morganatic, descendants of Maria Kirrilovna are the only people with a valid claim to the former throne? However, if her marriage to The Prince of Leiningen was morganatic, they aren't.

Grand Dukes and Duchesses were required to marry individuals from reigning or royal families. So, my question is; are the Leiningens royalty or just nobility? They bear the style of Serene Highness, and as far as I can see, the title Fürst zu Leiningen is of nobility, and not royalty. They did not rule. If I am right, and Grand Duchess Maria Kirrilovna's marriage to The Prince of Leiningen was morganatic, there is no heir to the House of Romanov...
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It's not as easy as "houses that have reigned are equal, houses that have not are not." An equal marriage could happen if the house 1. ruled a state or 2. belonged to a mediatized house (a list of such houses can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mediatization).

Leiningen was a mediatized house, therefore when Grand Duchess Maria Kirillovna married Karl, Prince of Leiningen it was an equal marriage. The marriage between Grand Duke Vladimir Kirillovich and Princess Leonida Georgeivna Bagration-Moukhransky is considered morganatic because the Bagration-Moukhransky's were not mediatized and Leonida was from a line of the family that hadn't actually ruled for some 400 years.
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To answer the starter of this whole thread (is there a chance of a restoration in Russia):

One needs a kingmaker, usually a strong figure able to enforce something in society. An essentially undemocratic institution as a monarchy is most unlikely to be restored out of free will. In 1935 General Georgios Kondylis enforced a restoration of the monarchy in Greece. The same happened in Spain where General Francisco Franco enforced a restoration of the monarchy (with a vacant throne until his death). In 1975 finally Don Juan Carlos de Borbón became King. Kondylis and Franco were dubious figures but powerful enough to enforce such a restoration, believing that this would serve the interests of their countries.

This means that one needs a strong advocate for a monarchy. Viktor Orbán, the powerful Prime Minister in Hungary is such a figure. With his mighty party he can enforce something in Hungarian society. In Russia, a more and more autocratic leader as President Putin, in a combination with Prime Minister Medvedev and Patriach Kirill can enforce a restoration of the monarchy as well.

If any former monarchy has a theoretic chance, then it is Russia, and Hungary. Of course these monarchies will be purely ceremonial, litterally to crown the refound splendour of Russia resp. Hungary, which is a deep zest for their leaderships, as we can see today. For many Putin/Medvedev/Kirill and Orbán are dubious figures but powerful enough -in theory- to enforce such a restoration, believing that this would serve the interests of their countries.

The problem with Russia is the hopeless division within the Romanov family as well the not very clearly outspoken will that any future monarch will only act as a constitutional head of state and be obedient to the Constitution. Only as a ceremonial head of state, there is a chance for a restoration. Those Russian pretenders sadly still have quite conservative and far-fetching ideas about what the role of a Tsar or Tsarina would be.
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As it has been mentioned earlier, the current crop of the Romanovs had their chance in the 1990s, when the Russian Federation was in political and economic turmoil. The Romanovs lacked a charismatic leader then. They still do not have him/her. I highly doubt that they will find a powerful kingmaker and a moneyed lobby to restore the monarchy.
Personally I do not think that President Putin is as omnipotent as the western media paints him to be. Patriarch Kirill has working relationships with the current Russian government and does not need extra headaches.
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Leiningen was a mediatized house, therefore when Grand Duchess Maria Kirillovna married Karl, Prince of Leiningen it was an equal marriage.
Thank you for that, it is most interesting and helpful.
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Eurohistory: Russia: Sublime Ridiculousness: Tsar Nicholas III

Some Russian monarchists have hailed Prince Carl Emich of Leiningen as the new Head of the Imperial House.
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Lots of nonsense. Makes some kind of news.
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