Royal House of Hanover (Guelph)


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But they had such high hopes! Was it not the plan to transform the castle into a tourist magnet, with their royal crown and all?


That is bitter news for the House!


With the best will of the world, Marienburg is not special enough to be a tourist magnet. It is a relatively new Schloss in a neo-style. Little history to it.
 
Well, the "Disney-Castle" Neuschwanstein has no real history either - but it looks much more "castle-ish". The same is true for the castle of the Hohenzollerns.

Plus: The Marienburg is situated in a touristical no-mans-land. Why should any bus with folks from China or Japan go there?

I always had my doubts about the plans for the castle Marienburg - and now it is gone...
 
Well, the "Disney-Castle" Neuschwanstein has no real history either - but it looks much more "castle-ish". The same is true for the castle of the Hohenzollerns.


The present Hohenzollern Castle may be not to old but there have been 2 Castles there earlier on and it is stil the ancestral seat of the Hohenzollern Family.
As for Marienburg Castle is is not far away from Hannover so it should not be too impossible to get some Tourists there. But is very difficult to reach with public Transport. Bückeburg Castle is in the same area and there seems to be not a lack of Visitors there.
 
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No joke but wisdom. It seems the Schloss has exhausted the family's assets and this is shoving the hot potato from the one plate to the other. The City of Hannover knows that this "cheap" Schloss comes with a firm prize tag in upkeep and maintenance.

thanks, Duc_et_Pair:)
 
@Stefan


May be you are right.


It is just such a sad thing to lose a castle! And it might be forever! The Guelphs have already lost so much "real estate" and there is not so much left in the area... OK, the "Fürstenhaus", but it is not a castle. I mean, they are not just a family of peasants with a lot of fields and forest.
 
@Stefan


May be you are right.


It is just such a sad thing to lose a castle! And it might be forever! The Guelphs have already lost so much "real estate" and there is not so much left in the area... OK, the "Fürstenhaus", but it is not a castle. I mean, they are not just a family of peasants with a lot of fields and forest.


Yes it said that he Castle is gone for the Family. Pperhaps they should have sold it earlier anhd keept other Estates in the Are like the Landgut Calenberg where the father of Prince Ernst Augst sr. lived until his death in 1987.

But the have still much real estate in Austria in the Traunsee Arera.
 
I personally love Marienburg, always have. It looks like a childhood vision of a Royal castle.

This news makes me feel sad....another set back for the House of Hanover.:sad:
 
The Saga continues!

The sell of the castle "Marienburg" is still not done and under heavy resistance:

Ernst August of Hanover (the father) wants the castle back. He claims, his son Ernst August is "unthankful" and wants the castle back. He had given it to the son as a gift befor.
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/pan...-hannover-verbietet-sohn-den-verkauf-31727766

But there is also unrest on another front - the political party "Grüne" (an eco-progressive party) wants the the castle not bought by the state. Because the costs were too high and the contract was made - in their opinion - too clandestine. They claim, the politicians of all spectrums were not involved enough in the deal.
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/nied...-Verkauf-fuer-sittenwidrig,marienburg392.html
 
When you learn about a royal baptism or christening, the religious event occurs in a cathedral, church, or chapel. This was not the case of the baptism of the future George V of Hanover's baptism. George's baptism took place on July 8, 1819, in a hotel in Berlin.
 
It wasn’t semi-Salic at all, in all the ruling houses of the former German Empire only men succeeded to thrones.

It didn’t matter if it wasn’t in his interest to change the succession, none of the other ruling families in Germany would accept that either and many would perceive it as the British trying to insert themselves politically into German territory.

You are mistaken. Quite a few ruling houses of the German Empire, and other German states, had laws of succession allowing women and/or their descendants to succeed to thrones if the ruling house became extinct in male line.

A collection of German house laws can be perused at the following link. For the kingdom of Hanover (although it was not a member of the German Empire as it already had been occupied and annexed by Prussia in the war of 1866), see "Brunswick".

https://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/germany_r.htm


From the 1832 house law of the whole house of Brunswick:

§ 14. [...] Erlischt der Mannsstamm des Fürstlichen Gesamt-Hauses, so geht die Regierung auf die weibliche Linie nach gleichen Grundsätzen über(2).

From the 1836 house law for the kingdom of Hanover, chapter 4:

§4. Wenn der Fall einträte, dass der Mannsstamm des Gesammthauses Braunschweig-Lüneburg erlöschte, möge nun die Königliche Mannslinie oder die Herzoglich-Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttelsche die zuletzt erlöschende sein, so geht die Thronfolge in Gemässheit des ursprünglichen Erb-Lehnbriefes Kaiser Friedrichs II. vom Jahre 1235 auf die weibliche Linie ohne Unterschied des Geschlechts in der Masse über, dass mit Ausschluss jeglicher Regredient-Erbschaft allein die Nähe der Verwandtschaft mit dem zuletzt regierenden Könige, und bei gleichem Verwandtschafts-Grade, das Alter der Linie, und in der Linie das persönliche Alter den Vorzug giebt. Es tritt aber bei der Descendenz des neuen alsdann regierenden Königlichen Hauses sofort mit dem Rechte der Erstgeburt und der Lineal-Erbfolge auch der Vorzug des Mannsstammes wieder ein.

And from the 1840 constitution of the kingdom of Hanover:

§ 12. [...] Erlischt der Mannsstamm der gegenwärtigen Königlichen Linie, so geht die Thronfolge auf den Mannsstamm der jetzigen Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttelschen Linie und, nach dessen Erlöschen, auf die weibliche Linie, ohne Unterschied des Geschlechtes, über, und zwar dergestalt, daß die Nähe der Verwandtschaft mit dem zuletzt regierenden Könige und, bei gleichem Verwandtschaftsgrade das Alter der Linie, in der Linie aber das natürliche Alter den Vorzug verschafft. [...]
 
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You are mistaken. Quite a few ruling houses of the German Empire, and other German states, had laws of succession allowing women and/or their descendants to succeed to thrones if the ruling house became extinct in male line.

A collection of German house laws can be perused at the following link. For the kingdom of Hanover (although it was not a member of the German Empire as it already had been occupied and annexed by Prussia in the war of 1866), see "Brunswick".

https://www.heraldica.org/topics/royalty/germany_r.htm


From the 1832 house law of the whole house of Brunswick:

§ 14. [...] Erlischt der Mannsstamm des Fürstlichen Gesamt-Hauses, so geht die Regierung auf die weibliche Linie nach gleichen Grundsätzen über(2).

From the 1836 house law for the kingdom of Hanover, chapter 4:

§4. Wenn der Fall einträte, dass der Mannsstamm des Gesammthauses Braunschweig-Lüneburg erlöschte, möge nun die Königliche Mannslinie oder die Herzoglich-Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttelsche die zuletzt erlöschende sein, so geht die Thronfolge in Gemässheit des ursprünglichen Erb-Lehnbriefes Kaiser Friedrichs II. vom Jahre 1235 auf die weibliche Linie ohne Unterschied des Geschlechts in der Masse über, dass mit Ausschluss jeglicher Regredient-Erbschaft allein die Nähe der Verwandtschaft mit dem zuletzt regierenden Könige, und bei gleichem Verwandtschafts-Grade, das Alter der Linie, und in der Linie das persönliche Alter den Vorzug giebt. Es tritt aber bei der Descendenz des neuen alsdann regierenden Königlichen Hauses sofort mit dem Rechte der Erstgeburt und der Lineal-Erbfolge auch der Vorzug des Mannsstammes wieder ein.

And from the 1840 constitution of the kingdom of Hanover:

§ 12. [...] Erlischt der Mannsstamm der gegenwärtigen Königlichen Linie, so geht die Thronfolge auf den Mannsstamm der jetzigen Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttelschen Linie und, nach dessen Erlöschen, auf die weibliche Linie, ohne Unterschied des Geschlechtes, über, und zwar dergestalt, daß die Nähe der Verwandtschaft mit dem zuletzt regierenden Könige und, bei gleichem Verwandtschaftsgrade das Alter der Linie, in der Linie aber das natürliche Alter den Vorzug verschafft. [...]
I stand corrected.

I came across a genealogy of the House of Hannover in roglo.eu, and it says that Prince Ernst August IV had an affair with Baroness Maria-Anna von Humboldt-Dachroeden and that they had a son together.
The Baroness has been the first wife of Ernst August's cousin, Prince Hubertus of Prussia; they got married in 1941 and divorced in 1943.
Does anyone have some information whether the story is true or not (as I've never heard anything similar before)?
It is true because Marlene Koenig has addressed this on her blog. In any case, the Hanover family wouldn’t have approved of a mere Baroness marrying their son and the Hohenzollern’s weren’t too happy about the marriage either, but it became worse when she got pregnant by her husband’s first cousin and that’s probably why she and Prince Hubertus of Prussia divorced in the first place. The Baroness’s son is a respected lawyer and Prince Heinrich has a good relationship with him. Plus his parents were lovers during the time she was married.
 
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