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Old 08-06-2005, 12:54 AM
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Diana was the perfect choice-young, innocent, beautiful, a virgin.

ANd I will tell you who was not naive-camilla. She knew she could have her way with Charles since his bride was the naive one.
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Old 08-06-2005, 01:16 AM
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Diana was the perfect choice-young, innocent, beautiful, a virgin.

ANd I will tell you who was not naive-camilla. She knew she could have her way with Charles since his bride was the naive one.
That's for sure!!!
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Again, no one can be blamed for her alleged naivetee but herself.

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By the way, the word is spelled aisle not isle. Isle is an island.
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Old 08-06-2005, 06:18 AM
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A naive man does not plan to manipulate the publics perceptions through the press.
Diana was the Queen of media manipulation.

Bottom line for me? That Diana chose to go through with it, to an older man she hardly knew, even with severe doubts and suspicions and the severe misery she said she felt all the way through. She had plenty of red flags waving the whole time, but she went through with it anyway.
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:56 AM
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IMO Alicky is seeing the truth. That there were faults on all sides. Charles was definitly no saint but neither was Diana. She did manipulate the media to her own advantage, her cooperation with Andrew Morton shows just how low she was prepared to stoop to get her side of the story across. Diana did a great many good things in her lifetime, the biggest of which was the way she raised William & Harry. However, Charles has carried on the good parenting and it is a combination of their efforts that have turned William into the wonderful young man he is. Even though their marriage did not work Charles & Diana proved to be a great team in raising their sons. :)
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:57 AM
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Please go back and reread my post on the last page. This sniping at each other is completely unnecessary.

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Old 08-09-2005, 10:26 PM
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Please tell me what do you think her family would have done if she had backed out at the last minute? Supported her desicion, emotionally and financially? I think not! Especially the Earl. Had she backed out she would have been a lamb slaughtered anyways,
If the Spencer family behaved this way, did not support their daughter or sister when she expressed doubts about something as major as a marriage and a commitment before God, crown and country, then shame on them. Such a notion reflects extremely poorly on the Spencer family, more than it would ever have on Diana.

The one group of people everyone should be able to count on in this life is their family. If her family was so willing and eager to sell her out to the Windsors then they never truly loved her or cared about her, whatever and however much they cried over her and claimed to love her when she died.

They are a bunch of hypocrites if they heard Diana's doubts before the wedding and pushed her down the aisle to Charles anyways.

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the media would have mustered up all sorts of things, the people would have been angry wondering "Why don't you want to be our princess?" probably pelting her with bread instead of Camilla, her family humilated and Charles forever known as the prince jilted at the alter. Had she backed out Diana would have been ridiculed in the media for the rest of her life, like a plague.
You know backing out is easier said than done, much easier to say when your not in that position.
Yes, calling off the wedding days before to the future King of England would've resulted in tremendous media attention, critique, questioning and probing. It would've lasted a few weeks, even a few months. But then Charles would've gone on with his life. He would've come out a victim and the search for a new bride for the poor jilted-at-the-altar Charles would've gone on. In a few months the media would've forgotten about Diana. Maybe there would be some minor interest in her if she got married or something scandalous happened in her life, and some interest when Charles got married. But mostly she would've been left alone.

So for a year tops of some media critique and scrutiny, Diana could've had a lifetime of privacy and happiness, and hopefully a marriage free of doubts. Doesn't that sound better than the life Diana got by walking down the aisle to a loveless marriage?
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But also she probably would have lost alot with her family.
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But also she probably would have lost alot with her family.
But with a family so willing to deny your feelings and sell you out to the Windsors to be eaten alive, who needs a family like that?
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Old 08-10-2005, 12:59 AM
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If the Spencer family behaved this way, did not support their daughter or sister when she expressed doubts about something as major as a marriage and a commitment before God, crown and country, then shame on them. Such a notion reflects extremely poorly on the Spencer family, more than it would ever have on Diana.

The one group of people everyone should be able to count on in this life is their family. If her family was so willing and eager to sell her out to the Windsors then they never truly loved her or cared about her, whatever and however much they cried over her and claimed to love her when she died.

They are a bunch of hypocrites if they heard Diana's doubts before the wedding and pushed her down the aisle to Charles anyways.


Yes, calling off the wedding days before to the future King of England would've resulted in tremendous media attention, critique, questioning and probing. It would've lasted a few weeks, even a few months. But then Charles would've gone on with his life. He would've come out a victim and the search for a new bride for the poor jilted-at-the-altar Charles would've gone on. In a few months the media would've forgotten about Diana. Maybe there would be some minor interest in her if she got married or something scandalous happened in her life, and some interest when Charles got married. But mostly she would've been left alone.

So for a year tops of some media critique and scrutiny, Diana could've had a lifetime of privacy and happiness, and hopefully a marriage free of doubts. Doesn't that sound better than the life Diana got by walking down the aisle to a loveless marriage?

Well Said Genevieve!! Well thought out opinion!!!
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Old 08-10-2005, 11:40 AM
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The one group of people everyone should be able to count on in this life is their family. If her family was so willing and eager to sell her out to the Windsors then they never truly loved her or cared about her, whatever and however much they cried over her and claimed to love her when she died.

Diana did not come from a particularly warm, open and loving family, but I don't think that Johnnie and Frances were cold, cruel, plotting masterminds. I can't think of any examples that would make me think this.
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Old 08-10-2005, 11:55 AM
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Diana & her mother

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Diana did not come from a particularly warm, open and loving family, but I don't think that Johnnie and Frances were cold, cruel, plotting masterminds.
It was particularly disappointing that Diana cut her mother off several months before she died; I believe she returned her mother's letters unread. And all over a relatively innocuous Hello! interview her mother did to raise some money for her local Scottish church. Very sad.
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What exactly was the feud going on between them? I know Diana tended to cut off relations constantly, but what was going on with her and her mother at the time?
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I think she was upset because of an interview her mother had given with Hello magazine where she'd talked about Diana a bit, but the details escape me.
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I think Diana was also unhappy that her mother didn't get her permission before hand. Frances sold the interview to raise money for a local charity. Perhaps Diana thought her mother sold her out.
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I think Diana was also unhappy that her mother didn't get her permission before hand. Frances sold the interview to raise money for a local charity. Perhaps Diana thought her mother sold her out.
This is one of the reasons Diana cut off relations with her mother. Another reason stated in books by Ken Wharfe and Patrick Jephson was that her mother was being quite brutal about Diana's choice of dating Hasnat Khan due to the fact that he was an Arab Muslim. A reason brought up in Simone Simmons book(I don't know if it is accurate) was that Diana's mother was an acute alcoholic. Ms. Simmons goes on her book to say that is also why she became close to Raine towards the end of her life; that Raine was more of the mother figure Diana always wanted her whole life.
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In regards to the Simmons book, didn't Ingrid Seward (editor of Majesty magazine) co-author it? So do you think it has some credibility to it?
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This is one of the reasons Diana cut off relations with her mother. Another reason stated in books by Ken Wharfe and Patrick Jephson was that her mother was being quite brutal about Diana's choice of dating Hasnat Khan due to the fact that he was an Arab Muslim. A reason brought up in Simone Simmons book(I don't know if it is accurate) was that Diana's mother was an acute alcoholic. Ms. Simmons goes on her book to say that is also why she became close to Raine towards the end of her life; that Raine was more of the mother figure Diana always wanted her whole life.
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I am astounded that you have given any creedance to this charlatan who took Diana's money in life and is now making money out of the things Diana told her!! Given the fact that Frances Shand Kydd died of a nervous condition which, it was said, was similar to Parkinsons disease I think that the Simmons claim that she was an alchoholic is very cruel.
Personally I wouldn't even dirty my fingers by touching either the Simmons or Burrell books. Both parties have simply cashed in on their "relationships" with Diana to gain fame & money for themselves. I feel the same about the Wharfe book as this individual has, IMO, violated the undertakings he made as a Police Officer & later when seconded to the Royal Protection Squad. I hesitated long & hard before reading Jephson's book but will say that I was glad I did. The man was truthful but did not make up stories or attempt to sully Diana's memory or hurt her children with his claims; He simply told the truth as he had seen it and portrayed Diana as the complex person she was. His only sin, in most peoples eyes, was to decamp the "Saint Diana" myth.
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Wymanda, my memory may be failing me, but I think Mrs Shand Kydd was arrested for drunk driving at least once in Scotland.
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I am astounded that you have given any creedance to this charlatan who took Diana's money in life and is now making money out of the things Diana told her!! Given the fact that Frances Shand Kydd died of a nervous condition which, it was said, was similar to Parkinsons disease I think that the Simmons claim that she was an alchoholic is very cruel.
Personally I wouldn't even dirty my fingers by touching either the Simmons or Burrell books. Both parties have simply cashed in on their "relationships" with Diana to gain fame & money for themselves. I feel the same about the Wharfe book as this individual has, IMO, violated the undertakings he made as a Police Officer & later when seconded to the Royal Protection Squad. I hesitated long & hard before reading Jephson's book but will say that I was glad I did. The man was truthful but did not make up stories or attempt to sully Diana's memory or hurt her children with his claims; He simply told the truth as he had seen it and portrayed Diana as the complex person she was. His only sin, in most peoples eyes, was to decamp the "Saint Diana" myth.
Wymanda,

I only read Simmons and Burrell's books because if you are going know everything and defend the Princess as I do, you have to read them. I didn't pay to read these books, I wouldn't give a dime. I work for a major bookstore chain here in the USA and I am allowed to take things home to read for free. I can tell you that Burrell's book is on clearance sale here for 5 dollars American and I still won't buy it; even if it cost one penny I wouldn't buy it.

I also wrote in my response about Simmons' claim a disclaimer of "if it is accurate."

I whole heartily agree that these people only want to cash in on Diana and they make me very sick. Unfortunately, you have to know what the charlatans are saying in order to be current and know how to defend.

I do disagree with you about the Jephsons' book. I think he did want to discredit Diana to a large degree. He was angry that Diana didn't tell him about the Panorama interview and was enraged about how stupid it made him look. The book offended William and Harry--William said so in a press conference at Highgrove. I stand with William and Harry on this one.

Lord only knows how hurt they are by Simmons' book and it makes me very upset and angry on their behalves.
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