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Old 01-13-2010, 07:19 AM
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Yes but NOT a HRH, the style got lost with divorce, the same would happen to Caroline.
I do not think that the decision Caroline might take about her marriage could be influenced by the future of her title! Caroline was already very important and very well known, that she does not need to be "sold" just for three letters (HRH)...

And after all, EA might let her conserve her title, as he did with Chantal.
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Although the pics are really speaking from themselves and that Ernst wouldn't ignore that he would have been photographed, we shouldn't put all the blame on him. For more than 10 years, he has stood by his wife, he was very supportive of all her committments, always accompanying her to all events (flowers constests, ballet representations, etc....), they seemed very happy and were always together. We don't know what happened between the two and what agreements they made so it's difficult to judge.
let's wait and see if any announcement is made.
Thank you, assia! I feel you got to the heart of it and summarized it
very well! They've had very good times and now they'll surely know
how to make the best of the changed situation.
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:40 AM
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I do not think that the decision Caroline might take about her marriage could be influenced by the future of her title! Caroline was already very important and very well known, that she does not need to be "sold" just for three letters (HRH)...

And after all, EA might let her conserve her title, as he did with Chantal.
The HRH style was of great importance to Monaco, something already Grace longed for when thinking of suitable husbands for her daughters. Its the ulimate sign for "First class" royalty.

Since her divorce, Chantal is only Princess of Hanover, not HRH. It is safe to say the same would apply to Caroline in case of divorce, not even Diana was allowed to keep her style INCLUDING the HRH.
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:41 AM
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More pics of Princess Caroline attending the process of her husband Ernst August of Hannover in the regional court of Hildesheim, Germany, 13-01-2010.
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I don't know what happened to their marriage, but we know that Caroline and Ernst are surely still married, Ernst is cheating her ( we all have seen the pics!) and nonetheless she went to Germany to testify in his favour. IMO, her behaviour is really admirable.
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:46 AM
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More pics of Princess Caroline attending the process of her husband Ernst August of Hannover in the regional court of Hildesheim, Germany, 13-01-2010.
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Thanks. I wonder if she has testified in german language!

Was EA suposed to be also there??

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Article by Bunte.de dealing with Princess Caroline exonerating Ernst August.

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Old 01-13-2010, 08:17 AM
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Thanks. I wonder if she has testified in german language!

Was EA suposed to be also there??
The Bunte report, Her_Majesty has kindly shared with us, answers
these two questions: Prince Ernst-August did not attend (which
had also not been expected by the court) and she started in
German as a kind gesture, asking "Where should I start?" and then
went on in English, as she's more fluent in that.

I think it's no surprise that Caroline supported Ernst August today,
she's beyond doubt a fair woman of principles.
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Old 01-13-2010, 08:36 AM
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From my side I think that Caroline will testify and he is her daughter's father. She would like her daughter's life to be condamned!
I believe that Caro is testifying NOT for Ernst's record but for their daughter Alexandra, so there is no "Criminal" mark on his name. It is for Alexandra not for Ernst.

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I don't know what happened to their marriage, but we know that Caroline and Ernst are surely still married, Ernst is cheating her ( we all have seen the pics!) and nonetheless she went to Germany to testify in his favour. IMO, her behaviour is really admirable.
she did it for their daughter not him. i cant believe how she has aged so much in the last 6 months or so going by the photos above. it must be a dreadful time for her and as i say though, thank heavens for her family.
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So what? That is not admirable to you? The fact that she is doing that for her daughter's father instead of a revenge against her unfaithful husband is not admirable to you? Do you think that all the women behave like this?

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So what? That is not admirable to you? The fact that she is doing that for her daughter's father instead of a revenge against her unfaithful husband is not admirable to you? Do you think that all the women behave like this?
What I find most admirable is the fact that you asume so happily that Ernst is an unfaithful husband.

The've been separeted since the summer, for god's sake! Just because the uptight Monegasgue princes don't make an official statement it doesn't mean they're together.
For all we know Caroline could have cheated on him in july, Ernst caught her, and that's why he left!
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Would you please read again my post #291? Thanks.
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So that's it? Just like what, an hour or so and then she gets to leave? Well, that was entirely less of an event than it was built up to be.

I agree though, that Caroline is admirable for defending Ernst, regardless of what has happened or who is to blame. It just shows what kind of person she is. Aww... bless!
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Caro always bounces back a winner. I think for the sake of the Alex and possibly Ernst she testified in his favour. Going to court must have been difficult on her although she does not look strained. Whatever Caro has done in life she has never been in trouble with the law. ever...
However here in North America imo, you cannot testify in such a case for or against your husband.Maybe their separation will be the precursor to a reconcilaition - Let us see...Looks like it could go either way.
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This debate is very interesting. Can we admit to ourselves that we may be biased in our views and statements ?
For example, we don't really know what happened in the Kenya affair : Who was guilty, or perhaps better put, was there an innocent? Is Princess Caroline a woman of principles for supporting the truth or supporting her husband ? I don't mean to suggest she would perjure herself, but her observation and processing of the events may have been slighted in favor of her husband. Hypothesizing that her husband did wrong, is it more principled to protect your husband and daughter or an innocent man ?

As for the photos of Ernst, and the show of sympathy around Caroline: how long had Ernst and Chantal been separated before Caroline and Ernst started dating and permitting pictures to appear in newspapers (did they ever sue about "inappropriate" pictures, or did they let it happen, as Ernst seems to be doing, as an indirect way of making a statement ?) Did Caroline start Alexandra when Ernst was still in the process of divorcing his wife ? Why did Caroline let herself be photographed with Ernst when his situation with Chantal was still unclear ?

It seems that a lot of manipulation is going on here, from all quarters, and isn't that the same old, same old ?
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What I find most admirable is the fact that you asume so happily that Ernst is an unfaithful husband.

The've been separeted since the summer, for god's sake! Just because the uptight Monegasgue princes don't make an official statement it doesn't mean they're together.
For all we know Caroline could have cheated on him in july, Ernst caught her, and that's why he left!
Has it been officially announced they are seperated? I haven't read any announcement from the palace.
Caroline MAY have cheated, but I seriously doubt it.
If she has we haven't go pictures or evidence of it, there is evidence of Ernst cheating.
I don't think you can use the word uptight, they are private about family affairs, wouldn't you be?
I think Caroline is very admirable for standing up in court, you don't see him there.

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This debate is very interesting. Can we admit to ourselves that we may be biased in our views and statements ?
For example, we don't really know what happened in the Kenya affair : Who was guilty, or perhaps better put, was there an innocent? Is Princess Caroline a woman of principles for supporting the truth or supporting her husband ? I don't mean to suggest she would perjure herself, but her observation and processing of the events may have been slighted in favor of her husband. Hypothesizing that her husband did wrong, is it more principled to protect your husband and daughter or an innocent man ?
Just because it's her husband, Caroline would tell the truth, she'd be under a form of oath. None of us know the full story, but I am sure Caroline is one of the few people who have heard all sides of the story.

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As for the photos of Ernst, and the show of sympathy around Caroline: how long had Ernst and Chantal been separated before Caroline and Ernst started dating and permitting pictures to appear in newspapers (did they ever sue about "inappropriate" pictures, or did they let it happen, as Ernst seems to be doing, as an indirect way of making a statement ?) Did Caroline start Alexandra when Ernst was still in the process of divorcing his wife ? Why did Caroline let herself be photographed with Ernst when his situation with Chantal was still unclear ?

It seems that a lot of manipulation is going on here, from all quarters, and isn't that the same old, same old ?
I don't think the Monanesque family sue newspapers.
The royals don't "permit" pictures, they don't have that much power over the press.
Alexandra was born in July 1999, which means conception was round about November 1998. Him and Chantal were divorced in October 1997.
Did Caroline let herself be photographed.

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The Monegasque family, especially Princess Caroline, sue the press all the time. This led to a news black-out on the part of Paris-Match, who deplored that after all the many positive articles they had written about Caroline since she was 14 or so, and continued to write throughout her two marriages, they were constantly being sued. I don't remember when was the last time they wrote about C in a personal way or interviewed her, but one day, they said enough is enough and dropped her. The same thing happened when Prince Albert's secret son was revealed. Prince Albert sued. I believe they may have been sued by Stephanie but I am not sure.

The information about the timing of the status of affairs about Ernst, Chantal, and Caroline is interesting, but as I recall, wasn't it the public display of affection between Caroline and Ernst that led to the divorce ? (Pictures of them in New York, for example)

Ernst has been accused of many things, but as far as I know, philandering is not one of them. Yes, he "philandered" with Caroline while still married, but I don't recall he philandered with anyone else, including his ten years of marriage to Caroline, until now. Considering that he is often portrayed as a sensualist with no moral compass, I would consider this an interesting message to the women he loves : "I may be out of control when it comes to other issues, but I don't fool around. Unless... (it is true love, I am fed up with the situation, fill in the blanks...)"
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Ernst has been accused of many things, but as far as I know, philandering is not one of them. Yes, he "philandered" with Caroline while still married, but I don't recall he philandered with anyone else, including his ten years of marriage to Caroline, until now. Considering that he is often portrayed as a sensualist with no moral compass, I would consider this an interesting message to the women he loves : "I may be out of control when it comes to other issues, but I don't fool around. Unless... (it is true love, I am fed up with the situation, fill in the blanks...)"
Why put philandered in ""?
There have been numerous rumours that he's had previous affairs, but pictures have never been published or any other evidence.
If as you say he was with Caroline in 1997 and that led to his divorce then he obviously philandered when married to Chantal.
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Why put philandered in ""?
There have been numerous rumours that he's had previous affairs, but pictures have never been published or any other evidence.
If as you say he was with Caroline in 1997 and that led to his divorce then he obviously philandered when married to Chantal.
I missed out on the rumors.
As for philandering with Caroline when still married to Chantal, this is kind of my point. Assuming the rumors are false, he is not an obsessive philanderer. There was Chantal, and then there was Caroline. And now there is this other woman, who may or may not be a mere pawn.

Personally, I have always felt (from pictures published) that he was very much in love with and protective of Caroline. (I liked his sense of humor in discouraging paparazzis by having his bodyguards pop streamers into their cameras and the lovely pictures it made of him and his wife strolling calmly through the colorful streamers as they exited a restaurant.) Anyway, you can be in love and still have issues. And I have always felt it disrespectful to diss Caroline's choice of husband, as if she were a ninny, or as first happened, a twenty-year old. Caroline always lands on her feet, as Jaya pointed out, which indicates that she knows the ways of the world. She's no innocent, in the sense of lettting herslef be used or manipulated without knowing how to influence events. She knows how to protect herself and her family.
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I have many points

1. I do not see WHY we consider that Caroline might not testify? EA has been her husband for more than 11 years and I'm persuaded that generally he has been good with her. Even if now the end of their marriage seems close, it does not mean that Caro would delete all this years, and punish EA by not testifying!

2. We were no in Kenya, Caroline was, and she might be a witness sure that EA is innocent! So for justice's sake she has to testify, independantly with what happened with their marriage.

3. I found interesting the coincidence that EA was cought with this woman, just 4 days before the trial. He did not try to avoid, he behaviored with freedom. It means that he KNEW that Caroline will go in Germany. So MAYBE their separation has taken place, mutually agreed, and without problems, they only them know it.
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