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Old 08-26-2010, 08:02 AM
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At the end of the day, it's all Grace's fault. She had earmarked EA as a suitor for PC in the early days.

For my part, I'd be glad never to see an image of EA ever again.
I am sure when Grace was alive he seemed like a nice young man who had a great family history, the right attitude and a nice future.

If she knew the kind of husband he would turn out to be, most likely she wouldn't have pushed the two of them together. Just goes to show that people change in a marriage in good and bad ways, and just because a person looks good on the outside, is the inside that matters.

I mean, its one thing for me to be there for you when you need me but you gotta be there for me when I need you.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:23 AM
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I read somewhere, a quote from EA, but who knows how credible that is, that Grace actually DIDN'T pick Ernst out as a suitor. That that was just a rumor and because it was one of the nicer ones they just allowed people to think it.

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At the end of the day, it's all Grace's fault. She had earmarked EA as a suitor for PC in the early days.
Um...what? Even if it IS true and she had picked him for PC I don't see how it's HER fault he's a cheater? That logic doesn't make sense to me at all. I mean, seriously? The fault lies ONLY with Ernst and Caroline. Because as sorry as I am for her, she knew what Ernst was when she married him. Their relationship began as an affair, so she knew that he was not a loyal man. Whatever made her think that what he did to Chantal he wouldn't do to her, I have no clue. That said, as long as Alex knows both her parents love her and that it's not her fault (children of divorce sometimes thinkt hat), everything else is on the adults in this situation...not a woman who was dead before they ever got together.
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Old 08-26-2010, 11:08 AM
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You never knew whether you were going to get Ernst the Jovial or Ernst the Prince of Screwing up Publicly. Things were never dull. But for all that, there was something so appealing about him, because he seemed like the only one of Caroline's husbands who had as strong a personality as she does, and that that was a good thing for her to experience - if only for a while, it seems.
I guess Junot had a pretty strong personality, didn't he? He seems flamboyant, at least by his reputation. But Stefano and Vincent were definitely subdued, low key, quiet characters.

I think the best thing I can say about Ernst is his sense of style. Fabulous!
I don't know why he isn't on the Best Dressed lists, or is/was he? He should be.
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Old 08-26-2010, 02:57 PM
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I read somewhere, a quote from EA, but who knows how credible that is, that Grace actually DIDN'T pick Ernst out as a suitor. That that was just a rumor and because it was one of the nicer ones they just allowed people to think it.



Um...what? Even if it IS true and she had picked him for PC I don't see how it's HER fault he's a cheater? That logic doesn't make sense to me at all. I mean, seriously? The fault lies ONLY with Ernst and Caroline. Because as sorry as I am for her, she knew what Ernst was when she married him. Their relationship began as an affair, so she knew that he was not a loyal man. Whatever made her think that what he did to Chantal he wouldn't do to her, I have no clue. That said, as long as Alex knows both her parents love her and that it's not her fault (children of divorce sometimes thinkt hat), everything else is on the adults in this situation...not a woman who was dead before they ever got together.
As the saying goes: ''What he once did with you, he will eventually do to you.''
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Old 08-26-2010, 03:38 PM
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I guess Junot had a pretty strong personality, didn't he? He seems flamboyant, at least by his reputation. But Stefano and Vincent were definitely subdued, low key, quiet characters.

I think the best thing I can say about Ernst is his sense of style. Fabulous!
I don't know why he isn't on the Best Dressed lists, or is/was he? He should be.
He was on a best dressed list, I forget which one, in 2008 I think. He did have a fabulous sense of style, especially of color. With his fair complexion and blue eyes, he knew how to play the pastels.

One of the things he managed to do, even on the often polarized Royal Forums, was bring a consensus of censure as we let out a collective sigh of disappointment and wagged our fingers at his latest antics, turning us all into protective sisters when he hurt Princess Caroline's feelings or dignity. Presenting a united front on the RF is kind of rare.

I don't think he was quite in the same category of rogues as Junot. Junot was the proverbial youth mistake for a young woman rebelling against her upbringing. Ernst, when not a prey to his demons, behaved like a husband deeply in love, a devoted father, a respectful son-in-law and a friendly brother-in-law. As far as I know, he has never been bad-mouthed by Caroline's family and in Monaco he could turn subdued, low-key and quiet. Would Junot have ever been able of putting his ego aside?

I find it sad to be speaking of him in the past sense. After all, he was a part of Caroline's life for over 10 years, will always be Alexandra's father, and he is still alive and kicking, even if the media no longer report it.
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Old 08-26-2010, 04:42 PM
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I don't think everyone ganged up on Ernst. I didn't. I thought most of his antics were funny. The rib breaking incident in Kenya excepted. Anyway, none of those incidents hurt Caroline. He was always good to her. Except the affair and these things happen.

I never meant a comparison between Junot and Ernst. You totally misunderstood me, or you put words in my post. And your over generalized everything.
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Hold it CasiraghiTrio! What's gotten into you? I take responsibility for my own words, my comparison between Junot and Ernst, and the rest of it. I don't have to mirror your post, I quoted it to answer your question and follow up on your statements with my own musings, as we all mostly do, or am I overgeneralizing again?
I thought most of Ernst's outrageous behavior was funny, except the bit about carousing all night and letting Princess Caroline attend the Spanish wedding unescorted, which must have hurt.
Sure, everyone did not gang up on Ernst, although many members did not and still don't like him. I happened to be in a minority who found him simpatico. My point was that when he acted up, we all rallied around Caroline, empathizing with whatever embarrassment she felt. These are of course my words, not yours.
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Old 08-27-2010, 04:39 PM
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A best-dressed list I recall being Ernst making was Vanity Fair's in, I think, 2006? I think it was the same year that Charlotte appeared too. He certainly deserves it, with both his suits and casual clothing (not including bathing suits on the Pacha). He and Caroline were one snappy couple. I'll really miss seeing that.

Was Junot a strong personality, or just a strong ego? Are they the same thing? Ernst seemed to have truly fallen under Caroline's spell, the visible strengths of their marriage appearing to be such that he will probably always love her, whether they stay together or not. With Junot, it was sort of the opposite. Their relationship seemed to be there to feed his ego, with a constant testing of Caroline's loyalty by innapropriate attentions to other women. Ernst seemed to have brought a whole lot more to the table than that.
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Old 08-27-2010, 07:13 PM
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At the end of the day, it's all Grace's fault. She had earmarked EA as a suitor for PC in the early days.
No one will ever convince me that Princess Grace "earmarked" him for her daughter. Princess Grace and PrinceRainier were both devout Roman Catholics and EA is descended from a long line of Protestants, albeit a little light on the practice of it's profession.

Whilst I am sure that she probably liked EA a lot, for her to actively plan or encourage her daughter to marry outside the Roman Catholic Church would have been sacrilege. She just plain wouldn't do it!

I know that "Religion" doesn't seem important these days but it certainly was Princess Grace and still is to many, many more.
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Old 08-28-2010, 08:53 AM
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I don't think Ernst was really good at Caro during ther marriage years. He was always drinking and so much consumption of alkohol can make you be out of control. But it's not only that. He must have embarassed her so many times.
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She knew what he was like,that he was drinking and that he made a lot of scandals...I'm still wondering what made her in love with Ernst.Normal woman would never decided to marry him..
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Sometimes it's the whiff of danger surrounding a man which attracts women to him.

But sometimes the danger leads a woman to wake up and recognise what she is letting herself in for.
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I have to say that I'm a bit shocked by the reaction against Ernst. It's just a personal opinion but I don't think it's any particular person's "fault". I'm not big on apportioning blame like that. Maybe their marriage was a mistake but I don't like the idea that Ernst wasn't ever good to Caroline. The problem is that we observe these people through the media and the media usually only report the extreme incidents at either end of the scale (or make them up) because the "in-between" isn't interesting. So people get the idea that a person is like that all the time. I'm sure at some point in time (and quite possibly several points in time) there was happiness and love in their marriage, just like there was probably sadness and pain in their marriage at some point. And despite personal opinions about Ernst, there was something that kept them together for as long as it did.
Again, it's just my personal opinion and I'm not urging any of you to follow it but I think it's a bit over the top to vilify Ernst. I'm not going to vilify Caroline either but I think it takes two to tango, as the saying goes and whilst one may be leading (dance metaphors ) that's not to say that the other person had no part to play at all.
In my personal opinion, Ernst was for the most part a lot of fun. Most of what he did was funny to me. He seemed like a great practical joker and someone who liked making people laugh. He made mistakes but so does everyone. That's just my opinion.
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Well, good on her if she's moved on and is actually dating this gallery owner, Gerard Faggionato. It's been some time since the split w/Ernst became public, as well as the trial in Germany (when she and Ernst probably saw each other last), so if she is ready to date - great! He appears established, so it wouldn't be about money - hopefully, if they are actually dating, it's because they both want to and not because of something superficial.
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I think it is really trashy for anyone to "date" if they are still married. A little bit of class is called for, especially when there is a young child in the picture. Call me a fuddy-duddy, but the Monagasque ladies have always been out of control. That being said, why am I surprised? LOL
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First, has there been any confirmation other than Hello magazine that she is dating?

Secondly, it appears that for all intents and purposes Caroline and Ernst are separated. Especially since he has appeared in public with a woman other than his wife.

Can someone tell me the separation and divorce procedure in Germany and /or Monaco. In Maryland, a couple must be legally separated (after they file the appropriate papers) for a year before divorcing. The divorce process can take a year to be final. Is it possible for Caroline and/or Ernst to file a blind separation agreement (one that doesn't announce their name for privacy reasons).

I am not SPECULATING that Caroline and Ernst will divorce....just asking what the procedure is.
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I think it is really trashy for anyone to "date" if they are still married. A little bit of class is called for, especially when there is a young child in the picture. Call me a fuddy-duddy, but the Monagasque ladies have always been out of control. That being said, why am I surprised? LOL
Yes. Will there be a divorce or not? I think this could be difficult because Caroline is a Catholic. Her first marriage was annuled then she was a widow and now? I doubt that there will be another annullment.
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Yes. Will there be a divorce or not? I think this could be difficult because Caroline is a Catholic. Her first marriage was annuled then she was a widow and now? I doubt that there will be another annullment.
No need at all for another annullment : she never married religiously with Ernst so... if she divorced and remarried, she would be married religiously now
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