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Old 09-03-2008, 01:33 PM
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I agree with Ricarda. As I said before there is a fine line in which you work with the media and use the media to your advantage just to get your picture in the news. I think the royal couple crossed this line on this trip. It sounds like they enlisted some help during the trip which in hindsight turned out to be not very helpful, in fact almost backfiring on them.

I hope when they get back home, they sit down with their court advisors, look at the coverage and determine how things can go better next time.
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Old 09-03-2008, 01:33 PM
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Billed Bladets editor, Ms Krakau, has just posted this comment - in Danish - on the mags website. It explains what happened that day at the zoo. Funnily enough, it does not mention Nina Fudalas efforts in getting the Aussie press lined up and excluding Billed Bladet!
Most likely because this is not the case. We have only got your word for Nina Fudalas role in the incident. That makes the validity and therfore also the reliability of your statment strongly questionable.

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Billed-Bladet - Annemette Krakau: Sandheden om Marys ”skideballe”

It does, however, say that when CP Mary realised that Billed Bladet, the most loyal and royal outlet CP Mary will ever have, had been scooped, she made her own pictures from the outing available to the Danish press. Damanage control, anyone?
If you quote an article - then please take care to either quote correctly or to translate correctly.

This is what is actually written in the articel - directly qouted:

"Sandheden er nemlig, at Mary er både professionel og samarbejdsvillig, og at tonen mellem hende og os er rigtig god. Da kronprinsparret og deres børn skulle besøge dyreparken tog BILLED-BLADETs journalist og fotograf opstilling uden for porten. Da Mary kom forbi, spurgte vi, om vi måtte tage nogle billeder inde i parken. Og Mary svarede stille og roligt, at hun så inderligt ønskede et privat øjeblik med sin australske familie, og det bad hun os så mindeligt om at respektere. Hvilket vi gjorde. Beskeden blev kun givet på dansk, fordi vi var de eneste, der spurgte om lov. Den udenlandske presse var allerede inde i parken og fotograferede løs. For at få ro på situationen gik kronprinsparret så – hårdt presset – med til at stille op til billeder."

and translated into english:

"The truth is that Mary is both professional and cooperative, and that the tone between her and us (Billed Bladet) is very good. Since the CP couple and their children should visit the wildlifepark, the journalist and photographer from Billed Bladet placed ourselves outside the gate. When Mary came over, we asked whether we could take some pictures inside the park. And Mary replied calmly that she so earnestly desired a private moment with her Australian family, and she asked us mindeligt to respect this. Which we did. The message was given only in Danish, because we were the only ones who asked about the permision. The foreign press (the australian) were already inside the park and busy photographing. In order to have calm down the situation the CP Couple went - pressed into this - (inside the park) to pose for some photos to be taken."
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Most likely because this is not the case. We have only got your word for Nina Fudalas role in the incident. That makes the validity and therfore also the reliability of your statment strongly questionable.



If you quote an article - then please take care to either quote correctly or to translate correctly.

This is what is actually written in the articel - directly qouted:

"Sandheden er nemlig, at Mary er både professionel og samarbejdsvillig, og at tonen mellem hende og os er rigtig god. Da kronprinsparret og deres børn skulle besøge dyreparken tog BILLED-BLADETs journalist og fotograf opstilling uden for porten. Da Mary kom forbi, spurgte vi, om vi måtte tage nogle billeder inde i parken. Og Mary svarede stille og roligt, at hun så inderligt ønskede et privat øjeblik med sin australske familie, og det bad hun os så mindeligt om at respektere. Hvilket vi gjorde. Beskeden blev kun givet på dansk, fordi vi var de eneste, der spurgte om lov. Den udenlandske presse var allerede inde i parken og fotograferede løs. For at få ro på situationen gik kronprinsparret så – hårdt presset – med til at stille op til billeder."

and translated to english:

"The truth is that Mary is both professional and cooperative, and that the tone between her and us (Billed Bladet) is very good. Since the CP couple and their children should visit the wildlifepark, the journalist and photographer from Billed Bladet placed ourselves outside the gate. When Mary came over, we asked whether we could take some pictures inside the park. And Mary replied calmly that she so earnestly desired a private moment with her Australian family, and she asked us mindeligt to respect this. Which we did. The message was given only in English, because we were the only ones who asked about the permision. The foreign press (the australian) were already inside the park and busy photographing. In order to have calm down the situation the CP Couple went - pressed into this - (inside the park) to pose for some photos to be taken."
Well, look here then: http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,24198549-5007221,00.html
At the end of this story it clearly states that Ms Fudala hinted that "the princess would be around Tuesday afternoon," which is when the staged nappy-run took place. Sorry to shatter anyone's illusions, but Ms Fudala has been a disaster for CP Mary's private holiday. Now the Danish Foreign Service has to sort out the business of the cheap nappy commercial featuring CP Mary.

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I agree with Ricarda. As I said before there is a fine line in which you work with the media and use the media to your advantage just to get your picture in the news. I think the royal couple crossed this line on this trip. It sounds like they enlisted some help during the trip which in hindsight turned out to be not very helpful, in fact almost backfiring on them.

I hope when they get back home, they sit down with their court advisors, look at the coverage and determine how things can go better next time.
EXACTLY! Hopefully everybody will learn from this dreadful experience.

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If a picture of the wife of our Bundespräsident (the German head of State) had been used for commercial purposes in the same way as Mary's, I bet our foreign ministry would be asked as well to check into the media law of the country of publication and figure how to stop that advertisment and which possibilities of a law suit are available against the company. so where's the "gate" in this pseudo-affair?
The Danish Embassy in Canberra has now been asked by the palace to sort out the business of this Huggies commercial. Thats the "gate" for you. Danish authorities having to iron out this undignified royal mess,brought on by an overzealous spindoctor, paid for by Danish taxmoney, that's even more "gate" for you! Nanny Gate it is!
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:26 PM
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As I said before there is a fine line in which you work with the media and use the media to your advantage just to get your picture in the news. I think the royal couple crossed this line on this trip. It sounds like they enlisted some help during the trip which in hindsight turned out to be not very helpful, in fact almost backfiring on them.

I hope when they get back home, they sit down with their court advisors, look at the coverage and determine how things can go better next time.
I don't think Mary has to work with the media to get her picture in the news. She is who she is and there will always (or at least for the next years) be a media interest in her, in DK and obviously also in Australia. The media wants stories and Mary has to cooperate with them because she is who she is.
Just remember how annoyed the Danish media was when the cp couple was too reserved towards the media during the first 6 months after Christian's birth and which stories they made up as a consequence. And of course they want a good press - who wouldn't.

I don't know why but to me it seems there was more interest in the private part of her trip than last time
(nevertheless, according to Mary's sister, they considered the media attention during the first private trip as a disaster). And it might well be they were unprepared for the overwhelming attention this time and asked for help (pure speculation though). But there will always be a certain press who will turn an attempt to back off the media into a "royal pr stunt" (especially after being exposed as "nude children pictures publisher" ).

Btw, I think the last days showed that the couple is able to "hide" from the media when in Australia, but they will never be able to hide in Tasmania. So, perhaps they will take consequences out of that.
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:27 PM
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Again, can someone please provide a link to the information saying that the Danish Foreign service is getting involved.

More to the point, if a nappy company has decided to illegally use her image for the purpose of furthering their marketing campaigns, then I don't think that she can be blamed for that. Thinking that is seriously out of proportion. And the company should be sued, as I am sure she did not sign a commercial waiver giving that comapny rights to use her image to endorse their product. Bad judgement on their part, not on the CP couple. Are they meant to let their children run around without nappies?
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:28 PM
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Well, look here then: http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,24198549-5007221,00.html
At the end of this story it clearly states that Ms Fudala hinted that "the princess would be around Tuesday afternoon," which is when the staged nappy-run took place. Sorry to shatter anyone's illusions, but Ms Fudala has been a disaster for CP Mary's private holiday. Now the Danish Foreign Service has to sort out the business of the cheap nappy commercial featuring CP Mary.
I have no doubts - and I never have had - that Nina Fudala was hired to coordinate some kind of comunication with the media which the above mentioned link to the article in "Mercury - The Voice of Tasmania" also confirmes. Futhermore I find this action by the CP Couple to be very sensible.

What I question is the role you have described Nina Fudala to have had - especially with the incident in the wildlifepark. The reason for my doubts is the information given in the article from Billed Bladet.

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Now the Danish Foreign Service has to sort out the business of the cheap nappy commercial featuring CP Mary.
Can you please provide reliable sources for that statement?

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The Danish Embassy in Canberra has now been asked by the palace to sort out the business of this Huggies commercial. Thats the "gate" for you. Danish authorities having to iron out this undignified royal mess,brought on by an overzealous spindoctor, paid for by Danish taxmoney, that's even more "gate" for you! Nanny Gate it is!
and can you please provide reliable sources for that statement as well?
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:50 PM
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Well, look here then: http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,24198549-5007221,00.html
At the end of this story it clearly states that Ms Fudala hinted that "the princess would be around Tuesday afternoon," which is when the staged nappy-run took place. Sorry to shatter anyone's illusions, but Ms Fudala has been a disaster for CP Mary's private holiday. Now the Danish Foreign Service has to sort out the business of the cheap nappy commercial featuring CP Mary.
Actually it does not clearly state that it was Ms. Fudala who hinted. Might be, might not be.
"Although Danish royal media co-ordinator and former Tasmanian journalist Nina Fudala said no public events were planned, there was a hint that the princess "might be around on Tuesday afternoon"."

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The Danish Embassy in Canberra has now been asked by the palace to sort out the business of this Huggies commercial. Thats the "gate" for you. Danish authorities having to iron out this undignified royal mess,brought on by an overzealous spindoctor, paid for by Danish taxmoney, that's even more "gate" for you! Nanny Gate it is!
First, as Empress pointed out it's not the royals or Ms. Fudala's fault if the pictures were misused.
Second, where is your proof that Ms. Fudala was hired for the private part of their visit, much less has brought on this "undignified royal mess"?
Third, where is your proof that she is paid by the Danish taxpayers and not - at least partly - by The Alannah and Madeline Foundation and The Victor Chang Institute which were promoting their causes with the help of Mary?

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I wasn't so much thinking of Royal-Royal marriages but rather of other couples like W-A and Maxima. Her family, I believe, is rather wealthy and can afford large estates in Argentina so its easier for her to go to Argentina and hide and still have quality time with her loved ones.
That might be one reason.
But quite frankly - and I hope I am not offending any Maxima fan - the interest of the Argentinian media in Maxima was never as big as the interest of the Australian media in Mary, it increased with the children though. (And Maxima complained about the Argentinian media frightening the children.)

In NL on the other hand they have a media code and IISIC not quite as many mags as in DK (though a larger population). I always thought there are a lot of mags published in DK, for such a small country with such a small population and such a limited amount of celebs. And therefore their main focus seems to be the royal family. (I am from a small country too, with a larger population, and we certainly don't have as many gossip mags - and no royals too.)
And try to get Se&Hoer or Ekstrabladet sign a media code. No chance, if you ask me!
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Well I dont care what the papers write but can Frederik and MAry really look back at this vacation and be happy about how it turned out? Photos almost daily, stupid stories about stupid things like vests, nappys and Prada boots? And then topping it all of by giving private photos to trashy magazines?
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they need to evaluate how they deal with the press ASAP in my very personal oppinion. Or is this how they want Christian and Isabella to experience their mothers home country in the years to come?
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Old 09-03-2008, 05:12 PM
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The Danish Embassy in Canberra has now been asked by the palace to sort out the business of this Huggies commercial. Thats the "gate" for you. Danish authorities having to iron out this undignified royal mess,brought on by an overzealous spindoctor, paid for by Danish taxmoney, that's even more "gate" for you! Nanny Gate it is!
That's what Embassies are for: to sort out business that happened in foreign countries. And only after the facts have been established, judgment should be allowed, IMHO. So far, they were asked to establish the facts. Business as usual.

Villemann, I think we need to base this discussion on facts and so far, quite some of the facts you stated have been put into a different light by other posters from your country. So my impression is that your messages contain your own strange interpretation of events while written with the voice of authority and I believe we don't need this kind of propaganda here.

I accept that you interpret events differently but you should not do that in your role as an established writer because what you write here gets so many contradictions here that it only serves to destroy your reputation.

At least it did for me.
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That's what Embassies are for: to sort out business that happened in foreign countries. And only after the facts have been established, judgment should be allowed, IMHO. So far, they were asked to establish the facts. Business as usual.

Villemann, I think we need to base this discussion on facts and so far, quite some of the facts you stated have been put into a different light by other posters from your country. So my impression is that your messages contain your own strange interpretation of events while written with the voice of authority and I believe we don't need this kind of propaganda here.

I accept that you interpret events differently but you should not do that in your role as an established writer because what you write here gets so many contradictions here that it only serves to destroy your reputation.

At least it did for me.
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I actually had a feeling this would happen...Mary does have a background in PR and advertising and she has friends, or friends of friends who still work in these industries...I thought it was fishy from the moment I saw her buying nappies (please!) I think it was a favour and all the paperwork (waivers, etc) had been signed prior to this trip, she gave her permission and she is aware of the ad and campaign, I am sure...call me cynical but I think it is true...Mary knew exactly what she was doing and when...Even I know, through a friend of a friend, an employee of Kimberly-Clark...they are everywhere

I think it was fully orchestrated just based on Huggies sliiping market, I was also once a purchaser of Huggies until I discovered Aldi nappies and eco-nappies, etc...Huggies needed help from the big guns....Genevieve Taubman (Mrs. Hamish Campbell) could have asked Mary to do this favour for her on behalf of her client...Sitting in a meeting saying "we need name/brand recognition"..."Um, I know Princess Mary and she is coming to Australia soon"...It could have been any number of Mary's friends in advertising/PR asking a favour and seriously what had Mary to lose...it was win/win, being seen as a "normal Mum" while helping out a friend at the same time, why not?

So really she had 3 engagements across 3 states in Oz: Huggies, Alannah and Madeline and Victor Chang
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I think it was a favour and all the paperwork (waivers, etc) had been signed prior to this trip, she gave her permission and she is aware of the ad and campaign, I am
I think perhaps if you do a little research on the issue, you would soon come to realise the above is in no way a possibility. The royal family and indeed brands associated with the monarchy, can not be used in any way, shape or form, as a marketing tool for external corporations or franchising. They are not an industrial commodity.
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I just cannot understand why she ask the Danish press to step outside and not take any photos and let the other media to take photos inside the park, that to me is a big disrespect to the Danish press and is this what I'am against with....
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I just cannot understand why she ask the Danish press to step outside and not take any photos and let the other media to take photos inside the park, that to me is a big disrespect to the Danish press and is this what I'am against with....
It seems to me like your not reading the information that's been provided...
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I think that this whole trip was just one big PR-exercise. There was nothing private about it. When she bought the infamous Huggies, she should have asked the pharmacist to put them in a bag, with her PR-background she must have known what would happen if a CP gets herself associated with a certain brand. Even better, she could have asked her sister to do the shopping for her and even "better better", she should have hired some more private accomodation. PR-wise this trip was a disaster. (And Fred looked reaaally uncomfortable in most of the pictures..).
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This last photoshoot it has been a really susprise, very very nice.
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I know! Maybe next time Mary and Frederik can purchase Tasmania for the week or two, just to be safe...

Perhaps give Ticketek a call...
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I think that this whole trip was just one big PR-exercise. There was nothing private about it. When she bought the infamous Huggies, she should have asked the pharmacist to put them in a bag, with her PR-background she must have known what would happen if a CP gets herself associated with a certain brand. Even better, she could have asked her sister to do the shopping for her and even "better better", she should have hired some more private accomodation. PR-wise this trip was a disaster. (And Fred looked reaaally uncomfortable in most of the pictures..).

Yes, it makes me a bit a angry that people were told that this was a nice private family trip but in real life it was a planned PR trip.
It's not nice from the DRF to assume that most people would not recognize what was really going on. Never underestimate the intelligence of people! I think the PR concept was: we'll make you big in OZ , give you a nice down-to-earth-charity-people image , compare Mary to late Diana and in return this will have a positive impact on your image home in Denmark.
I never thought that Fred and Mary would need spin doctors and PR trips. The trip looked good on photos but if you think about the whole PR machinery, its a bit sad.
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I think that this whole trip was just one big PR-exercise. There was nothing private about it. When she bought the infamous Huggies, she should have asked the pharmacist to put them in a bag, with her PR-background she must have known what would happen if a CP gets herself associated with a certain brand. Even better, she could have asked her sister to do the shopping for her and even "better better", she should have hired some more private accomodation. PR-wise this trip was a disaster. (And Fred looked reaaally uncomfortable in most of the pictures..).
I do agree with all your message 100%. She should act more like a Royal and she should know that all her acts have responses and discussion, so she should not be hanging out with some Higgies nappies shoe should know that this will start a big big fuss, so why do it???

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It seems to me like your not reading the information that's been provided...
No I have been reading and that's why I cannot understand, if they were media press inside the park already why BB wasn't allowed to get in?? She didn't have the privacy she wanted because they were media inside the gates so she should allow BB to enter and to join the press that was inside the gate, that is what I cannot understand
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In order to have calm down the situation the CP Couple went - pressed into this - (inside the park) to pose for some photos to be taken."
From BB, itself...

Are you sure you have been reading?...
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