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Old 05-18-2015, 02:07 AM
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Let's hope that Hänt Extra or Hänt i Veckan doesn't have photos of him in Stockholm on Saturday on their next issue. Probably some informants called to the royal reporters on Saturday that Chris is seen in Stockholm, the reporters called Margareta Thorgren, Thorgren told the king and the king ordered Chris to attend on Sunday.
This is fact? The plot thickens. Chris may not be keen on the newlyweds. Uh-oh.
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Old 05-18-2015, 02:36 AM
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This is fact? The plot thickens. Chris may not be keen on the newlyweds. Uh-oh.
I don't think it is a fact at all, just wishful thinking. I have a hard time imagining king CG 'ordering around' his family. It is a family after all, not a military brigade or a kindergarten.

There is nothing to indicate what the feelings of C. for his in-laws are. There is no reason at all to assume he does not like them.
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Old 05-18-2015, 05:40 AM
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I think that we can all agree on one thing. Madeleine and Chris need some good PR advice right away, and the Swedish royal court isn't exactly the place where they can find that help...

They are in a bad spot at the moment, and they aren't doing much to help themselves. However, their situation doesn't seem impossible to deal with for someone who knows PR. They are soon going to have another baby, and that combined with a cute toddler is good PR in itself. Let them give an interview to a chosen and serious reporter. Let people know when they can be expected to participate in royal duties, and when they aren't going to be there. Stuff like that could go a long way.
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Old 05-18-2015, 05:58 AM
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I don't think they should get their own PR. The court should have one single strategy for the entire family. The prince of Wales had his own spin doctors for a while, which was good for him but one of their tricks was to create good PR at the expense of other family members. I don't think that it is wise either for the family to jump as soon as the press takes a certain fancy. They aren't monkeys in a circus.

I don't see the problem to begin with. Pss Madeleine could have a few more events perhaps. But she is focussing on an issue (the childhood foundation) which is good and attends the more imortant events. Chris has his own job and life, which IMHO is preferable over him sitting at home wasting his life with a few enagements here and there, as apparently it would please some Swedes.

The Swedish PR department is rather 'original' for a decade or so. Blabbering all kinds of gossipy tidbits to the (yellow) press for reasons that are not clear to me. It seems the Swedes are the only ones doing so. Maybe the idea was to be transparent, but IMHO it is not really working. The worst period was under Bertil Tennert. The kind of fluff that the Swedish royals are expected and willing to comment on is also something that I do not see in other monarchies. It reduces the RF to an expensive real life soap opera.
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Old 05-18-2015, 06:13 AM
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Fact is that the courts' comments make a mess of Chris' attendance:

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And the court isn't helping them at all. First Margareta Thorgren says to Expressen that Chris will not attend and then to Aftonbladet "Of course, everything can change, but as it is now, he has other commitments and is unable to be with, says Margareta Thorgren."
Chris O'Neill missar prinsparets lysning _ Nyheter _ Aftonbladet
then obviously something happened, Chris was seen in Stockholm, press starts asking questions, why, why not, then Chis shows up unannounced what looks like somebody told him to.
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Old 05-18-2015, 06:20 AM
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I don't think they should get their own PR. The court should have one single strategy for the entire family.
Normally I would agree with you. But the press department of the Swedish court is a nightmare, and it's Chris and Madeleine that are suffering the most. They need a skilled PR-person, and that - unfortunatley - can't be provided by the existing press department.
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Old 05-18-2015, 10:52 AM
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Madeleine and Chris: Media Negativity and Public Opinion

Actually the palace press department has improved greatly lately since the hiring of Margareta Thorgren. Maybe there's not much they can do about the O'Neills if they don't want any kind of constructive help.


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Old 05-18-2015, 11:35 AM
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You are right .If you don't want help then don't get it.
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Old 05-18-2015, 11:41 AM
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Or he simply changed his mind no force necessary or events changed .
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Old 05-18-2015, 11:44 AM
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This was going to be a quick post and then I started to ramble!

For me, the problem stems from two things.
1. There is no precedent. There is no manual on how to be married to a Princess AND be a private individual. It appears Chris & Madeleine are muddling through and feeling their way as they go and getting it wrong a lot and the PR isn't helping.
2. There is a problem where the private overlaps the public. Saying you won't do official stuff is fine. Chris has decided he won't open hospitals, be a charity patron etc. That's fine. BUT the SRF and (it appears to me - Swedes correct me if I'm wrong) the Swedish public set a lot of store by events that in a 'normal' family would be private (birthdays, weddings, banns etc.) but as the SRF are very public. Now Chris & Madeleine are back in Sweden I think he may start to realise how important him being at those events is.

As a further point, apparently some of the most stressful things you can do are: get married, have a baby and move house. Chris has done all those things in under two years. One he's going to do twice, and he's not just moved house but moved countries AND married a Princess. I would imagine Chris didn't quite realise how much he would be needed as part of the family when they moved back to Sweden. Probably a bit naive but aren't we all sometimes?
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Old 05-18-2015, 11:45 AM
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I don't think they should get their own PR. The court should have one single strategy for the entire family.
Carl Philip and Sofia have an own PR-woman, Christina Saliba from PR-Agency Mindmakers. She was hired after Carl Philip had a bit of a scandal when it was revealed that he hadn't designed everything which was sold as his designs. Mindmakers takes now care also of Bernadotte & Kylberg AB's PR. And she has been with Sofia at some Project Playground events.

About Madeleine and Chris, they don't have a tight relationship with the court press department because Madeleine works so little. Margareta Thorgren accompanies the king and queen on their visits abroad and in Sweden, and someone else from the press department accompanies Victoria and/or Daniel at their works events abroad and also on their visits in Sweden.
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Old 05-18-2015, 11:47 AM
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Probably that is the problem .He dont't liive to Sweden from the beggining . For that he must to advise someone and he to listen to him.
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Old 05-18-2015, 12:16 PM
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Actually the palace press department has improved greatly lately since the hiring of Margareta Thorgren. Maybe there's not much they can do about the O'Neills if they don't want any kind of constructive help.
Good point. If they don't want help, no one can help them. I agree that M Thorgren seems to be better qualified for the job than Bertil T before her, but I would guess that the family (maybe with the exception of Victoria and Daniel) aren't that easy to deal with as clients...
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Old 05-18-2015, 12:26 PM
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:39 AM
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On the cover of gossip magazine Hänt Extra
While Victoria and Sofia represent ...
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Old 05-21-2015, 03:25 PM
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Here we go again.........more rubbish from magazines.
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Old 05-21-2015, 04:29 PM
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The irony though of having a headline like that with a photo from an official engagement
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Old 05-27-2015, 05:19 AM
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Chris was listed to attend with the rest of the royal family to the National Day celebration in Skansen and the reception after that on the National Day of Sweden on 6th June. Yesterday I noticed that his name was taken away from the court calendar.

And now Expressen writes about this.
According to Expressen's information Chris O'Neill was completely ready to attend the celebration on June 6, but now that he jumps off he becomes the only member of the family who is not present at the celebration at Skansen and National Day reception that evening at the Royal Palace.
The celebration at Skansen, broadcasted at the same evening on SVT and the entire royal family to be at the cortege from the Royal Palace to Skansen. In previous years, little princess Estelle been in the cortege on its way to Skansen.
This means that the heavily pregnant Princess Madeleine will be without her husband.
Margareta Thorgren, the director of the press department:
- Chris O'Neill has such a hectic work schedule that he can not attend. Long trips and he is sorry that he can not attend the National Day celebrations.
Chris O'Neill hoppar av nationaldagsfesten _ Nyheter _ Expressen
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The National Day is on Saturday this year and in previous years the cortege has left the Palace about 17.50.
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Old 05-27-2015, 05:26 AM
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and the communication chaos continues....
if he has such a hectic schedule indeed maybe it would be a good idea to leave him off the agenda in the first place and only add him if it works out.
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Old 05-27-2015, 05:36 AM
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Oh my god another round. But let put a bet he will be in the wedding or not?
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