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Old 11-12-2017, 09:40 AM
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I think Serbia should know the Royal family.
Generally, they are not interested in them. When you say you are interested in royals that sounds funny and somehow strange.

Maybe, if there was someone who would be generally respectable and seen as sort of leader, monarchy cause would be more respectable.
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Old 11-12-2017, 11:12 AM
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Okay I don't get it, the opinion polls have been showing restoration support at 49.8% and those against at 44.6% in one from 2015, 39% in favor and 32% in a poll from May 2013, a 2011 poll with 64% in favor of restoration, and there was one at 26% from 2016. Do you guys just keep running into the 44.6% from 2015, the 32% from May 2013, the 36% from 2011, and the 74% from 2016 or something because talk about unlucky.

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Old 11-12-2017, 03:30 PM
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Okay I don't get it, the opinion polls have been showing restoration support at 49.8% and those against at 44.6% in one from 2015, 39% in favor and 32% in a poll from May 2013, a 2011 poll with 64% in favor of restoration, and there was one at 26% from 2016. Do you guys just keep running into the 44.6% from 2015, the 32% from May 2013, the 36% from 2011, and the 74% from 2016 or something because talk about unlucky.

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The polls are not reliable source of anything, they can be fixed very easily, depending on who is doing it and why.

The reality is that people in Serbia don't even think about restoration of monarchy for various reasons. They have much bigger problems than that, they see monarchy as something "silly" because their mind is much closer to the politics from the last 70 years and they think monarchy is not necessary at all.

Also they don't see Crown Prince as someone who would be "the leader". They make fun of him, his Serbian language sounds very funny and awkward when he is trying to talk, often making mistakes which get totally different meaning when you mix letters. This doesn't help the monarchy cause at all. Ordinary people don't think he is "Serbian enough" for them, saying that now for many years he lives in Serbia and he still hasn't properly learnt it.

He has so many gaffs while speaking Serbian language that some of them became antics.

For example, people were talking that Prince Charles better spoke few sentences in Serbian when he was on a state visit than our Crown Prince who lives here for 17 years.



You have other situation when the Prime minister of Serbia says that Crown Prince doesn't want to pay the bills for electricity and this also goes as the bad image of the "Serbian monarchy":



There is also this situation when the royal family buy plane tickets for economic class and they always demand to be transferred to business class, trying to smuggle luggage for free etc.
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:18 PM
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Okay okay, I've got an idea. Does the crown prince have any brothers or cousins that can speak the Serbian language flawlessly and are relatively popular because I think it would be popular to just hand leadership of the Serbian Royal Family to somebody that can actually make something out of it.

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P.S. I still don't understand what anybody would have to gain with fake opinion polls when it comes to monarchism, I mean they should know it's an uphill battle as it is and it is rather difficult to put monarchists in parliament so why go through the trouble of making a bogus poll like the ones I talked about?
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Old 11-17-2017, 04:12 PM
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Okay okay, I've got an idea. Does the crown prince have any brothers or cousins that can speak the Serbian language flawlessly and are relatively popular because I think it would be popular to just hand leadership of the Serbian Royal Family to somebody that can actually make something out of it.
No, no male royal cousin(CP doesn't have siblings) can speak Serbian, except his female cousin Princess Elizabeth. Her late brother, Prince Alexander also spoke well Serbian, but he was living in Paris and most people didn't know him. Prince Tomislav, uncle of our CP was also speaking Serbian very well and lived at the end of his life in Serbia. And was very much loved by people.

As for popularity, except Crown Prince, nobody is even known here, I mean people haven't heard of them and 99% of Serbians don't know their dynasty in a way that there are many male Karadjordjevic dynasty members living around the world.

So, in reality, CP Alexander is the only who is interested in keeping royal image alive. When he passes, I am scared to think what will happen. Probably, most royal belongings would be sold.


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P.S. I still don't understand what anybody would have to gain with fake opinion polls when it comes to monarchism, I mean they should know it's an uphill battle as it is and it is rather difficult to put monarchists in parliament so why go through the trouble of making a bogus poll like the ones I talked about?
Me neither, as monarchy is so very far away from reality in Serbia, almost no chance, but you still have banquets and balls in the royal palaces, CP couple are still invited to some happenings, so there is a bit of "royal" still in Serbia. It's not like they are so pushed aside. It's just that they don't know and they just don't know the people of Serbia and in what kind of way to approach them in order to gain something.
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Old 12-27-2017, 12:33 PM
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With a majority of the population supporting the restoration, and with the support of the Orthodox Church. The parliament at this time is mostly in favor. They will discuss soon the process of the possibility of a referendum.

Will Serbia have a chance to restore the monarchy soon?
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Old 12-27-2017, 01:13 PM
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With a majority of the population supporting the restoration, and with the support of the Orthodox Church. The parliament at this time is mostly in favor. They will discuss soon the process of the possibility of a referendum.

Will Serbia have a chance to restore the monarchy soon?
It will never be a "restoration" as that is turning back the clock. It will be a new monarchy. After all the Constitution is completely different, as are the institutions of State and even the territory is not the same as today's Serbia is only a part of the former kingdom.

I can not see younger and more progressive people voting for a monarchy. In a modern state there is no place for men in black with long beards to meddle in politics (the Orthodox Church). The young want to progress, to advance, to join the EU.

The older Serbians, the more conservative countryside and certainly the Church wants to keep the country in the influence zone of Mother Russia. When the Church and nationalistic parties rally behind the former Crown Prince, the yonger generation will resist.

They want to get out the backwardness wich led to the tragic wars in the 1990's. When the former Crown Prince supports Serbia to join the EU, he will see opposition from the same unholy alliance which still esteems the Serbian warlords Milosevic, Mladic and Karadzic as heroes of the Serbian fatherland.

No, forget it. It will not happen.
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With a majority of the population supporting the restoration, and with the support of the Orthodox Church. The parliament at this time is mostly in favor. They will discuss soon the process of the possibility of a referendum.

Will Serbia have a chance to restore the monarchy soon?
Based on what you assumed this?

There is not a slightest chance for that at the moment. Never say never, but I am afraid, this story for Serbia is finished. As for the Parliament, I work in the Parliament, I would know in the first place if anything is going on. Nobody thinks seriously about monarchy.
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Old 01-01-2018, 05:36 AM
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If there is any thrive and desire in Serbia, then it is to become "normal", to join the EU, to join NATO, to become a country finally going forward to a modern European State. With Serbians no longer logging behind in prosperity, in comparison with former Yugoslav states like Croatia or Slovenia which have made giant steps forward. We see inert and stand-still Serbia.

That is the thrive. And not the monarchy. And there is a FIERCE opposition against this thrive. By the Orthodox Church (with which the former royal family cuddles) and by pro-Russian forces. If there is any desire for a monarchy, it comes from these circles. They will be the losers. Serbia WILL join the EU, they will develop, bloom and finally free themselves from the suffocating communist and nationalist past.
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If there is any thrive and desire in Serbia, then it is to become "normal", to join the EU, to join NATO, to become a country finally going forward to a modern European State. With Serbians no longer logging behind in prosperity, in comparison with former Yugoslav states like Croatia or Slovenia which have made giant steps forward. We see inert and stand-still Serbia.

That is the thrive. And not the monarchy. And there is a FIERCE opposition against this thrive. By the Orthodox Church (with which the former royal family cuddles) and by pro-Russian forces. If there is any desire for a monarchy, it comes from these circles. They will be the losers. Serbia WILL join the EU, they will develop, bloom and finally free themselves from the suffocating communist and nationalist past.
Well, it's very hard to say what people in Serbia generally want. There are groups, but not so much one desired opinion.

In previous years going into EU was generally more desired than today. It is reflected by Brexit and other things happening in EU. Based on that, today we have the biggest opposition party in the Parliament which is openly against Serbia going into EU, while in recent years it was not the case...And they were chosen into the Parliament by people of Serbia who voted. This Radical party didn't "exist" in political scene in the last 10-15 years, but when their leader was released from Hague, everything changed for them and his party suddenly became the biggest opposition party at the moment. The Hague trial proved to be a very big political commercial for him.

There is also big opposition against NATO in our country as many people were killed during Nato bombing which happened in 1999. More than 2500 people were killed and almost 13000 people wounded in the bombing, almost all infrastructure was either destroyed or damaged, many people left their homes and still haven't got back due to political situation.

So it's not easy for politicians to go out there and say, going into NATO is a good thing as many people still have "open wounds" because of this bombing and remember it well. It would be the start of self destruction for any politician in Serbia who would openly dare to say that, as that would open many other unsolved questions.

And yes, you are right, having still many problems in the country is the major thing why almost nobody thinks about monarchy. People struggle to survive and don't have time thinking so much about such things as monarchy movement. It requires a lot of energy and effort to get there and people can't afford to spend it on such thing as "bringing the monarchy back".

I would personally like Serbia to become monarchy again, but in real life, there is almost no chance for it in recent future.
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Yes, but we have to hope that the monarchy will be restored one day.
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The polls seem to favour the Royal Family even if some of the politicians would not be convinced easily
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:03 PM
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The polls seem to favour the Royal Family even if some of the politicians would not be convinced easily
The polls can easily be fixed as it is based on sample.

Believe me, there isn't even any kind of real wish for the monarchy at the moment among the people. The image royal family has with all it's feuds, almost nobody speaking Serbian and almost nobody even living in Serbia(except CP Alexander and Princess Elizabeth) is not helping the cause and ads to the anti-monarchy climate.
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The polls can easily be fixed as it is based on sample.

Believe me, there isn't even any kind of real wish for the monarchy at the moment among the people. The image royal family has with all it's feuds, almost nobody speaking Serbian and almost nobody even living in Serbia(except CP Alexander and Princess Elizabeth) is not helping the cause and ads to the anti-monarchy climate.
It is certainly important they live in the country and they speak the language very well.
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It is certainly important they live in the country and they speak the language very well.
Serbia was very proud that they had their native dynasty and not imported German one, unlike most countries in the Balkan region.

Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Hungary were ruled by the Habsburgs, Romania by Hohenzollerns, Bulgaria by Saxe-Coburgs, Greece by Wittelsbachs and Schleswig-Holsteins, Albania by Wieds etc. It was always pointed out that, unlike these countries Serbia never had foreign sovereign, so Serbian people expect from his "King" to be more Serbian than the others, to be the role model of an leader, soldier so that they could be associated with him, respect him and at the same time fear him.

For Serbian that can't be said for someone who doesn't know the language, has feuds with other members of the family, allows to get booed in public, make really hilarious mistakes while speaking and doesn't live in the country.

It is remarkable how Crown Prince Alexander is respected by foreign royals and people abroad, while in Serbia he just can't find "that" connection with people and they make fun of him and in general do not respect him.

Unlike for example, Prince Tomislav, who wasn't an angel at all. He was a great womanizer, had many mistresses, but never allowed this to be widely known, was in high regard with the people, always dignified, he spoke Serbian and was always the favorite Serbian Prince as he knew what things Serbian people fall for.
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Serbia was very proud that they had their native dynasty and not imported German one, unlike most countries in the Balkan region.

Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Hungary were ruled by the Habsburgs, Romania by Hohenzollerns, Bulgaria by Saxe-Coburgs, Greece by Wittelsbachs and Schleswig-Holsteins, Albania by Wieds etc. It was always pointed out that, unlike these countries Serbia never had foreign sovereign, so Serbian people expect from his "King" to be more Serbian than the others, to be the role model of an leader, soldier so that they could be associated with him, respect him and at the same time fear him.

For Serbian that can't be said for someone who doesn't know the language, has feuds with other members of the family, allows to get booed in public, make really hilarious mistakes while speaking and doesn't live in the country.

It is remarkable how Crown Prince Alexander is respected by foreign royals and people abroad, while in Serbia he just can't find "that" connection with people and they make fun of him and in general do not respect him.

Unlike for example, Prince Tomislav, who wasn't an angel at all. He was a great womanizer, had many mistresses, but never allowed this to be widely known, was in high regard with the people, always dignified, he spoke Serbian and was always the favorite Serbian Prince as he knew what things Serbian people fall for.

HRH Crown Prince Alexander was born in exile and did not spend his childhood in Serbia like his uncle.
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HRH Crown Prince Alexander was born in exile and did not spend his childhood in Serbia like his uncle.
Prince Tomislav lived less in Serbia than Crown Prince Alexander. When he was only 9 years old he went to live in Britain and returned to live in Serbia only last 8 years of his life in Serbia, so it's not like he lived many years here.

As for Crown Prince Alexander, he lives in Serbia for almost 20 years now in succession and still hasn't learned the language of his country and his ancestors which our people always point out as one of the main things he hasn't been able to achieve if he wants the throne back. It looks like he either doesn't care enough or he just can't learn it, which would start the speculation about his mental possibilities.

Anyway, you want to lead the country and you don't even know the language... It's just not logical in these times. Just imagine any monarchy today whose reigning king or queen doesn't speak the language of his country.

For example, both Crown Princess Mary and Princess Marie of Denmark live less time in Denmark and were still able to learn Danish fluently. That speaks about the effort they made to learn the language for much shorter period of time, while this effort is not so seeable in Serbia, now for almost 20 years, both by Crown Prince or his wife.
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Prince Tomislav lived less in Serbia than Crown Prince Alexander. When he was only 9 years old he went to live in Britain and returned to live in Serbia only last 8 years of his life in Serbia, so it's not like he lived many years here.

As for Crown Prince Alexander, he lives in Serbia for almost 20 years in succession now and still hasn't learned the language of his country and his ancestors which our people always point out as one of the main things he hasn't been able to achieve if he wants the throne back.

You want to lead the country and you don't even know the language. Well, that doesn't go like that with people in Serbia.
Certainly his Serbian has improved but people must see all the work done by him and by the Crown Princess to promote the country and to support those less fortunate.
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Certainly his Serbian has improved but people must see all the work done by him and by the Crown Princess to promote the country and to support those less fortunate.
When he tries to speak, he makes such mistakes that everybody instantly starts to laugh and all effort is gone.

For example, on the National day of Serbia he goes live on main TV in the news to talk seriously about our country and it's place in Europe. He wanted to tell that Serbia, as an old monarchy needs to take it's place in EU, but instead of that he tells that Serbia, as an old monarchy needs to milk a cow in order to enter EU. Of course, everything he says from than on goes with the wind.

Also, he goes to the city of Chachak and instead of addressing it's citizens as:"My dear Chachans." he said: "My dear Chechens" like adressing people from Chechnya. People were like, does this man knows where he came at all? And of course the gaffe immediately goes viral.

If the President of the Republic goes on to publicly criticize Crown Prince and his wife for not paying their bills by saying: "Well, genius, first you pay the bills for electricity that you own to the state of Serbia and then sue whom you want. When you pay 70.000 euros you own to the state, we can talk about anything else. And state gave you the use of the palaces, which collapse, because they are not maintained properly, state gave you a lot of things, payed many bills for you in the past, so now it''s time for you to pay at least the electricity bills and after that criticize your country." it's not good for the PR of the royal family.

There was also the scandal about plane tickets that were bought for the price of economic class but Crown Prince and his wife demanded to be transferred to the business class after national company rejected their offer to grant them air plane tickets for free until the reached value of 35.000 euros. It was done in the past, but now national company rejected. And again, President of Serbia publicly criticized them for it.

Obviously they don't get along very well, but still, one must be dignified if he wants to win the hearts of people for his cause. It shouldn't be done like that.

There was also a scandal with royal security beating a girl that worked for Crown Princess as her PR assistant:

https://translate.google.rs/translat...ml&prev=search

There were also feuds with other members of the family which did not help their cause, like that with Princess Elizabeth when she was forbidden entrance to the palaces, even if the were given to use by the state to all Karadjordjevic family members or feud with Prince Vladimir who also said similar thing. Instead of being united as a family and fight for it together, they constantly quarrel with each other.

I mean, I hope you now understand that there are many things that are done wrong, if you really want to have a chance to have monarchy back. You just can't do it with so many scandals and "blemishes".
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When he tries to speak, he makes such mistakes that everybody instantly starts to laugh and all effort is gone.

For example, on the National day of Serbia he goes live on main TV in the news to talk seriously about our country and it's place in Europe. He wanted to tell that Serbia, as an old monarchy needs to take it's place in EU, but instead of that he tells that Serbia, as an old monarchy needs to milk a cow in order to enter EU. Of course, everything he says from than on goes with the wind.

Also, he goes to the city of Chachak and instead of addressing it's citizens as:"My dear Chachans." he said: "My dear Chechens" like adressing people from Chechnya. People were like, does this man knows where he came at all? And of course the gaffe immediately goes viral.

If the President of the Republic goes on to publicly criticize Crown Prince and his wife for not paying their bills by saying: "Well, genius, first you pay the bills for electricity that you own to the state of Serbia and then sue whom you want. When you pay 70.000 euros you own to the state, we can talk about anything else. And state gave you the use of the palaces, which collapse, because they are not maintained properly, state gave you a lot of things, payed many bills for you in the past, so now it''s time for you to pay at least the electricity bills and after that criticize your country." it's not good for the PR of the royal family.

There was also the scandal about plane tickets that were bought for the price of economic class but Crown Prince and his wife demanded to be transferred to the business class after national company rejected their offer to grant them air plane tickets for free until the reached value of 35.000 euros. It was done in the past, but now national company rejected. And again, President of Serbia publicly criticized them for it.

Obviously they don't get along very well, but still, one must be dignified if he wants to win the hearts of people for his cause. It shouldn't be done like that.

There was also a scandal with royal security beating a girl that worked for Crown Princess as her PR assistant:

https://translate.google.rs/translat...ml&prev=search

There were also feuds with other members of the family which did not help their cause, like that with Princess Elizabeth when she was forbidden entrance to the palaces, even if the were given to use by the state to all Karadjordjevic family members or feud with Prince Vladimir who also said similar thing. Instead of being united as a family and fight for it together, they constantly quarrel with each other.

I mean, I hope you now understand that there are many things that are done wrong, if you really want to have a chance to have monarchy back. You just can't do it with so many scandals and "blemishes".
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