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I thought there was an event right after this one during the day. It seems the Queen and PC and then Fred and Mary attend.
Yes I wondered about that - isn't it the greeting the ambassadors and gold carriage ride...any links anyone?
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The courts continue Monday and Tuesday.

You are welcome, Rebafan81.

Happy New Year to you too MissByrd. - Hope you'll find the name of the church.
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Love how Frederik looks at Mary and his smile

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Princess Elisabeth certainly did not attend as her sister-in-law Countess Anne-Dorte passed away.
The Countess passed away on the 2nd. The first New Year Court took place of the 1st. IIRC Princess Elisabeth had some problems with her foot and she told Billedbladet a couple of weeks ago that she had been invited, but was not sure that she would be able to attend.
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Many thanks Stefan,its quite rare that we get to see Princess Elisabeth,though I think she hasn't attended the last few New Years Courts due to ill health .(Pity)
She attended in either 2013 or 2012 don't remember exact which year. But there have been bod pics of her from that year which sometimes was not the case.
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I didn't know they could pick and choose either but after I've seen old pictures of the British royal ladies over the years, they've too decided when or not to wear their Royal Family Orders on occasions where it would usually be required for them to wear it. Some decide to wear it and some decide not to.
But the question is: What is the custom in the DRF?
There would have been lots of frowning, if Mary hadn't worn hers...
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I admire her so much and I think this dress looks great on her. I believe I remember reading that she styled it herself? Does it anyone else remember that?
The dress was made by Birgit Hallstein, and while the basic design is sketched by the designer, it's being closely monitored by HM; she may suggest a few changes/corrections/improvements. At least that's the impression you get after reading a fairly recent book on the Queen's dresses.
Did you know that HM's gala dresses are designed so that HM 'step into' them? Pulling a dress over your head is a no go with upswept hairstyles and tiaras!
Stylewise the green dress is one of her best in recent years. The colour however ........ nah.....!

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Maybe some of our Danish experts
can answer this for me, why did Joachim salute the soldiers inside
when they were at attention and Fred didn't, Fred walked by them,
spoke to them but didn't salute them? Also, I noticed while watching
the video, Joachim stopped and spoke to more people then Fred and
Mary, he seemed warmer then I anticipated because normally he
seems more standoffish.
Hi Rebafan,
While not an expert I happen to know that Danish naval officers
never wear caps indoors and thus never salute indoors!
In this case CP Frederik was wearing the naval gala dress with a
'sauce boat' hat, and I don't know whether the same tradition - not saluting - applies when in a 'ceremonial mode' as the gala dress would normally call for! The gala uniform is only worn by the very top brass!
IIRC we may have seen a navy styled Prince Consort wearing his 'sauce'boat' indoors, but having honorary - 'a la suite' ranks in all three services he may confuse the various traditions from time to other .

Last but not least in Denmark the Navy enjoys taking the mickey out
of the Army and their far more formal ceremonial and rigid traditions!
Now you could argue that an occasion like a New Year's gala is not the time and place to do so, but I for one wouldn't be surprised if it were the case ..
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True, the navy is known to be more informal than the other two branches.
However, in the army, you normally never wear your headgear either, except when on specific duty, and as such you normally don't salute indoor either. You only stand to attention. (You can sit to attention in the navy).

Typical navy though... They got the finest dress uniforms but they can't tell the difference from a spoon and a fork...
No, proper ceremonial ought to be left where it belongs: in the competent care of the army.

As for PH, you are probably right. He was originally an army man, intelligence NCO to be exact. And how things are done in the French army, I have no idea.

ADDED conclusion: So I guess it's a matter of taste: Frederik's navy approach or the proper, stylish army approach performed so well by Joachim as can be expected by an officer and gentleman.
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Maybe you never were an Army officer, but don't tell us that you're never were an Army man ..!

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That I was.

And If I may venture a little guess, you have relatives who were in the navy?

- And naturally we can look away from the air force, they are just kids, but in a couple of centuries they may have developed some traditions of their own... That at least is something the navy and the army can agree on.

Happy New Year to you as well.
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Quite a beautiful picture of F+M taken from the opposite angle than all the other pictures.

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Old 01-04-2014, 08:42 AM
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Billed Bladet has this week compiled some trivia about the New Year Courts, some of it new to me as well.

The origin of the New Year Courts is unknown, but it's an old tradition. So old that back in the 1600's it was referred to as "an old costum". - (So a qualified guess would be some 600 years).

The grandest of the New Year Courts take place on 1st. January, which is also the birthday or whatever you want to call it of the Order of the Elephant, as such it is one of the three days a year when the Order must be worn on a chain.
The Order goes back to 1460 and originally it was a Catholic inspired order depicting the Virgin Mary and the Jesus child. But after the Reformation in the 1530's and the introduction of the much sterner Lutheranism, they were replaced by elephants in 1580.
Why elephants were chosen is not known. Apparantly they symbolize faith.

Since the beginning there have been 890 recipents of the Order. During the reign of QMII 68 people have recieved the order - which must be returned upon the death of the recipient.

During the reign of Frederik III (who also became the first absolute monarch. There are good reasons to suggest that he actually preferred a kind of Parliament representing all levels of society, nobles (with whom the Danish kings had endless problems), burghers, clergy and peasants. But alas, they couldn't agree among themselves and the peasantry lost - big time!) anybody could go to the palace and watch the King dine at New Year. People simply lined up along the walls and watched the King and his family. Some would also present a New Year verse, as was costum back then.
That ended during the reign of Christian VI, when he moved to the newly build Christiansborg Palace. Here there was no access for the public.

On Monday the court of the diplomatic corps takes place, that always takes place in the forenoon at Christiansborg Palace.
The diplomats often show up in their national attire and line up along the wall based on seniority. The doyen or doyenne give a little speech on behalf of all the diplomats and wish the DRF a Happy New Year.
Then all the diplomats shake hands with the DRF with a short Happy New Year. PH wish Happy New Year in French, which considering the circumstances is perfectly acceptable. Mary and Frederik switch between English and Danish.

When that is over, the diplomats are offered champagne, alternatively water or juice and served canapeers.

On Tuesday it's time to greet the highest members of the offcial Denmark as well as invited representatives for charitable organisations and protections of the Regent Couple.
While M&F drive ahead in a car to Christiansborg, the Regent Couple go by the gilded carriagde from 1840. The trip lasts fourteen minutes sharp and they are escorted by Guards Hussars.

Around 1.000 well wishers are expected.

Nowadays there are five classes of rank and only the three uppermost have a permanent standing invitation to attend. Which means that they in contrast to the representatives I mentioned above, don't get an invitation. If they want to they just show up and sign in a Christiansborg.

1. class consists among others the Counts of Rosenborg and the Counts of Danneskiold, the Countess of Frederiksborg i.e. Alexandra, the Prime Minister, the President of the Supreme Court and holders of the Order of the Elephant. (BB omitted to mention the Chairman of the Parliament).

2. class consists among others of "lensgrever" = tricky to translate = counts with a fief = more posh than a normal count and that's as close I can come, so if anyone has more info, please come forward. Senior honorary members of the court, the Chief of Court, the Master of Ceremonies, the Director of the National Bank, the bishops (QMII is head of the state church) and the dean of Copenhagen University.

3. Class consists of among others counts and barons, judges from the regional courts (there are two such regions in DK. I.e. below the Supreme Court but above local courts), colonels (full colonels), the Archivist of the Realm (*) chapter deans and the police chiefs.

Alas, the vast majority of Danes do not belong in one of the five classes.

(*) It sounds so much more impressive when translated to English. In Danish the title (Rigsarkivar) sounds much more business-like, but it's a direct translation.
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And If I may venture a little guess, you have relatives who were in the navy?.
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- And naturally we can look away from the air force, they are just kids, but in a couple of centuries they may have developed some traditions of their own... That at least is something the navy and the army can agree on. .
Yep! And I still remember a cheeky me asking uniformed RDAF man where he parked his bus ............


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I thought I would share this pic with you: https://app.box.com/s/p6zref5nvtx8hjtys3ei

It depicts the Regent Couple, as well as M&F at a New Year Court in 2006 in the Knights Hall/Great Hall at Christiansborg - and all the employees of the court, and also the adjutants and LiWs.
- Minus of course those employees who are absent because they are on holiday or sick or have had to stay behind at work for some reason.

As far as I can judge there are some 125 people in the picture.

M&F's as well and Benedikte and Joachim's tiny courts are not represented. ADDED: they are actually. I see Mary's first LiW is there and the head of their court as well, Søren Haslund Christensen.

The picture is fascinating because it shows the machinery behind the DRF.
It is also a little amusing because I'm sure we all remember the stories in the Aussie press in the beginning of the scheming intrigues at the Danish courts, the hordes of "palace insiders" who were quoted and the fierce infighting among the fractions at court.
Apparantly the Aussie press thought that the DRF must be like the BRF, with many hundreds of employees.
I remember thinking: What?? They are not even 200 altogether and as you can tell from the picture the majority are cleaners, footmen, drivers, kitchen staff and office workers who are unlikely to intrigue in any way, so that leaves precious few to scheme against or for Mary.

ADDED: Yes Viv, if there is one thing that can really piss off an airline pilot (they mostly have a background in the airforce and they still think they are the maincast of Top Gun and looking absolutely dashing, potbelly and all) it's to tell them that they are basically overpaid busdrivers.
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Quite a beautiful picture of F+M taken from the opposite angle than all the other pictures.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/450a48c5e...me9o1_1280.jpg
thank you for the photo, it is incredible how with Mary's short hair she can have this incredible updo! her hiardresser is superb!
and I love the 2 pins on the heair! although with such impressive and heavy tiara the 2 pins can looks like too much, but in this case I think it works very well, I guess she has good muscles in her neck to hold all that heavy on her head
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Billed Bladet has this week compiled some trivia about the New Year Courts, some of it new to me as well.

The origin of the New Year Courts is unknown, but it's an old tradition. So old that back in the 1600's it was referred to as "an old costum". - (So a qualified guess would be some 600 years).

The grandest of the New Year Courts take place on 1st. January, which is also the birthday or whatever you want to call it of the Order of the Elephant, as such it is one of the three days a year when the Order must be worn on a chain.
The Order goes back to 1460 and originally it was a Catholic inspired order depicting the Virgin Mary and the Jesus child. But after the Reformation in the 1530's and the introduction of the much sterner Lutheranism, they were replaced by elephants in 1580.
Why elephants were chosen is not known. Apparantly they symbolize faith.

Since the beginning there have been 890 recipents of the Order. During the reign of QMII 68 people have recieved the order - which must be returned upon the death of the recipient.

During the reign of Frederik III (who also became the first absolute monarch. There are good reasons to suggest that he actually preferred a kind of Parliament representing all levels of society, nobles (with whom the Danish kings had endless problems), burghers, clergy and peasants. But alas, they couldn't agree among themselves and the peasantry lost - big time!) anybody could go to the palace and watch the King dine at New Year. People simply lined up along the walls and watched the King and his family. Some would also present a New Year verse, as was costum back then.
That ended during the reign of Christian VI, when he moved to the newly build Christiansborg Palace. Here there was no access for the public.

On Monday the court of the diplomatic corps takes place, that always takes place in the forenoon at Christiansborg Palace.
The diplomats often show up in their national attire and line up along the wall based on seniority. The doyen or doyenne give a little speech on behalf of all the diplomats and wish the DRF a Happy New Year.
Then all the diplomats shake hands with the DRF with a short Happy New Year. PH wish Happy New Year in French, which considering the circumstances is perfectly acceptable. Mary and Frederik switch between English and Danish.

When that is over, the diplomats are offered champagne, alternatively water or juice and served canapeers.

On Tuesday it's time to greet the highest members of the offcial Denmark as well as invited representatives for charitable organisations and protections of the Regent Couple.
While M&F drive ahead in a car to Christiansborg, the Regent Couple go by the gilded carriagde from 1840. The trip lasts fourteen minutes sharp and they are escorted by Guards Hussars.

Around 1.000 well wishers are expected.

Nowadays there are five classes of rank and only the three uppermost have a permanent standing invitation to attend. Which means that they in contrast to the representatives I mentioned above, don't get an invitation. If they want to they just show up and sign in a Christiansborg.

1. class consists among others the Counts of Rosenborg and the Counts of Danneskiold, the Countess of Frederiksborg i.e. Alexandra, the Prime Minister, the President of the Supreme Court and holders of the Order of the Elephant. (BB omitted to mention the Chairman of the Parliament).

2. class consists among others of "lensgrever" = tricky to translate = counts with a fief = more posh than a normal count and that's as close I can come, so if anyone has more info, please come forward. Senior honorary members of the court, the Chief of Court, the Master of Ceremonies, the Director of the National Bank, the bishops (QMII is head of the state church) and the dean of Copenhagen University.

3. Class consists of among others counts and barons, judges from the regional courts (there are two such regions in DK. I.e. below the Supreme Court but above local courts), colonels (full colonels), the Archivist of the Realm (*) chapter deans and the police chiefs.

Alas, the vast majority of Danes do not belong in one of the five classes.

(*) It sounds so much more impressive when translated to English. In Danish the title (Rigsarkivar) sounds much more business-like, but it's a direct translation.
Thanks for that explanation, Muhler

Which leads me to: Weren't there some years where Mary wasn't attending the last (the third) New Year Court, but instead held her own New Year reception for her patronages?

And do we know if she still holds those New Year receptions? (Although she now participates in all the New Year Courts together with Frederik, and QMII and Henrik?)

Article from B.T. from 2009 about Mary's reception:
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I thought I would share this pic with you: https://app.box.com/s/p6zref5nvtx8hjtys3ei

It depicts the Regent Couple, as well as M&F at a New Year Court in 2006 in the Knights Hall/Great Hall at Christiansborg - and all the employees of the court, and also the adjutants and LiWs.
- Minus of course those employees who are absent because they are on holiday or sick or have had to stay behind at work for some reason.

As far as I can judge there are some 125 people in the picture.

M&F's as well and Benedikte and Joachim's tiny courts are not represented. ADDED: they are actually. I see Mary's first LiW is there and the head of their court as well, Søren Haslund Christensen.

The picture is fascinating because it shows the machinery behind the DRF.
It is also a little amusing because I'm sure we all remember the stories in the Aussie press in the beginning of the scheming intrigues at the Danish courts, the hordes of "palace insiders" who were quoted and the fierce infighting among the fractions at court.
Apparantly the Aussie press thought that the DRF must be like the BRF, with many hundreds of employees.
I remember thinking: What?? They are not even 200 altogether and as you can tell from the picture the majority are cleaners, footmen, drivers, kitchen staff and office workers who are unlikely to intrigue in any way, so that leaves precious few to scheme against or for Mary.

ADDED: Yes Viv, if there is one thing that can really piss off an airline pilot (they mostly have a background in the airforce and they still think they are the maincast of Top Gun and looking absolutely dashing, potbelly and all) it's to tell them that they are basically overpaid busdrivers.
quite an impressive picture indeed! it's amazing to see how many people work for the RF.
i do spot mary's LIW but i don't think i see joachim in the picture - did he not attend the reception then?
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The menu for the annual New Year Court:

- Pheasant Consommé
- Ballotine shellfish, lobster bisque and salad dressing
- Roast venison, green beans and potatoes
- Chocolate cake and custard
- A selection of wines (including Castle Cayx 1989 and Rogomme Cayx 2012)

Source: Menu du dîner de gala de Nouvel An 2014 à Amalienborg | Noblesse & Royautés
I'm sure it was all delicious but I'd skip the Chocolate cake and custard,that sounds a bit sickly!

I wonder if the wines were French and perhaps from the Prince Consorts home?
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I'm sure it was all delicious but I'd skip the Chocolate cake and custard,that sounds a bit sickly!

I wonder if the wines were French and perhaps from the Prince Consorts home?
An Ard Ri, the menu says ' creme Anglaise' and while the ingredients look somewhat similar to what I know as 'English' custard - this is probably a more refined version! Surfing the net for a recipe I noticed that one of our TV-chefs is vouching for 'chocolate cake with Creme Anglaise', so I suppose it's in order!

Except for the infamous Rosenborg wine accompanying the pheasant Soup all wines originate at chateau de Caix!

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i do spot mary's LIW but i don't think i see joachim in the picture - did he not attend the reception then?
The Photo is from one of the morning receptions a few years back, and I can't say whether Prince Joachim attended or not. However this is clearly a case of protocol, presenting the regent and heir apparent! I must admit that I don't follow these levees meticuously, but I'd think that Prince Joachim plays a minor role in these, if any!

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