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Old 03-29-2012, 12:05 PM
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The tiara depiction on the 1 kilo gold "coin" is artistic licence.

Items on exhibition include...

1. The Imperial Crown of India (made for and worn by King George V at the Delhi Durbar of 1911)
2. Queen Victoria's small diamond crown (1870)
3. The Sovereign's Sceptre
4. The Queen Consort's Ring (1831)
5. The Exeter Salt (1630)
6. The Gold Kilo Coin
[not on display in the Tower]

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Any info on the Queen Consort's ring? Did the QM wear it on her Coronation Day? Will Camilla wear that on Coronation Day? It is magnificent.
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Old 03-29-2012, 01:36 PM
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Any info on the Queen Consort's ring? Did the QM wear it on her Coronation Day? Will Camilla wear that on Coronation Day? It is magnificent.
Yes, the Queen Mother did wear the Queen Consort's ring.
The ring was originally made for Queen Adelaide for the coronation of William IV in 1831.
It weighs 50.15 carats, the large ruby measures 12.5x9.0x5.9 mm and is surrounded by 14 diamonds. Small rubies are set in the shank.

Queen Adelaide decided to revive the tradition of using ruby as the central stone in the coronation rings. The tradition existed since the times of Henry III but ended during the reign of George IV, who decided that the central stone of his ring must be a large sapphire. William IV followed the fashion, using rubies only in the form of a cross overlaying the sapphires (symbolising union of crowns).

The Consort Ring has been wore by every Queen Consort since Adelaide - Queen Alexandra, Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth (the Queen Mother).
Similarly, the Coronation Ring of William IV has been worn by every Sovereign since King William. In the case of Queen Victoria (for whose delicate fingers the ring was just too big), a smaller Coronation Ring was made similar to style to William IV's. It had been measured to fit her little finger but during the ceremony had been literally forced onto her ring finger; poor Victoria's hand had to be bathed in iced water before it could be removed.


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Old 03-29-2012, 04:02 PM
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Thank you to Warren and Artemisia for this info and pictures.

Question about Queen Consort Ring. In Warren's response the ring looks like amethyst but Artemisia says that it is ruby - the same as the Consort's ring. Can you confirm which it is?
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Thank you to Warren and Artemisia for this info and pictures.

Question about Queen Consort Ring. In Warren's response the ring looks like amethyst but Artemisia says that it is ruby - the same as the Consort's ring. Can you confirm which it is?
You are most welcome.
Although it does look like an amethyst in the picture from the DM article, it is probably because of the light; the Queen Consort's ring most definitely features a ruby - and an impressive 50.15 carats one. Rubies have traditionally been used in coronation rings (of Monarchs) as central stones until the reign of George IV; Queen Adelaide simply revived the tradition, albeit for a consort. The Coronation Ring (Monarch's ring initially created for William IV) features a sapphire as the centre stone, with rubies overlaying the sapphire in form of a cross.
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Do you think some future monarch would break up Queen Victoria's small crown? I know it's an historic and beautiful piece but, let's face it, the chances of anyone actually wearing it again are remote. There are too many magnificent diamonds going on there to just leave it in a glass case forever. It could be turned into a lovely new tiara which would actually be worn. I'm a firm believer that jewellery should be worn rather than left to just sit there.
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Loved the information on the Coronation Rings, I never saw these photos before, and enjoyed the pictures and information.
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Do you think some future monarch would break up Queen Victoria's small crown? I know it's an historic and beautiful piece but, let's face it, the chances of anyone actually wearing it again are remote. There are too many magnificent diamonds going on there to just leave it in a glass case forever. It could be turned into a lovely new tiara which would actually be worn. I'm a firm believer that jewellery should be worn rather than left to just sit there.
Maybe future Queen consorts could wear it at state openings instead of a tiara.
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Thank you to Warren and Artemisia for this info and pictures.

Question about Queen Consort Ring. In Warren's response the ring looks like amethyst but Artemisia says that it is ruby - the same as the Consort's ring. Can you confirm which it is?
No But I’m Sure It’s Ruby Because The Color Of The Ston Seems Ruby , Dear The Amethyst Looks Dark purple Color Or Mauve Color , and about what you meant in warren pics the Ston Color Going To Dark Pink .
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It is ruby. The main stone is somewhere around 50 carats, so it is no lightweight. Remember that rubies are actually red sapphires and can range from very pale pink to bright maroon. Corundum comes in all different colors.
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Old 03-29-2012, 07:16 PM
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Do you think some future monarch would break up Queen Victoria's small crown? I know it's an historic and beautiful piece but, let's face it, the chances of anyone actually wearing it again are remote. There are too many magnificent diamonds going on there to just leave it in a glass case forever. It could be turned into a lovely new tiara which would actually be worn. I'm a firm believer that jewellery should be worn rather than left to just sit there.
Somewhere, I've seen a photo of Queen Alexandra wearing the small diamond crown with a second tiara sitting in front. As if one tiara wasn't enough!

I seriously doubt that Victoria's small diamond crown will be broken up. It has a good deal of historical value as the favorite crown of Queen Victoria in her old age, and the fact that it was added to the crown jewels collection cements its value. Besides, it's not like the Queen doesn't have other pieces in her vaults that she could break up if she needed diamonds.
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I can't imagine that anyone would disassemble a crown of such historic significance!

And, on my monitor, that certainly looks like a ruby (although of course I do not have the ability to look at it through a loop to see if it's genuine, )
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Perhaps as HM ages and the Imperial State Crown begins to feel heavier Victoria's little crown is something she could wear in its place.
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Old 03-30-2012, 02:52 PM
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Do you think some future monarch would break up Queen Victoria's small crown?
It now effectively forms part of the Crown Jewels so only another Cromwell (ugh) could or would break it up.
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It now forms part of the Crown Jewels so only another Cromwell (ugh) could or would break it up.
But they wouldn't really be breaking it up, just amending it? Surely the monarch can make changes to the Crown Jewels, so long as they don't sell or in some other way remove them from the collection?

I just think the chances of anyone wearing the small crown as currently constituted are non-existant, and the jewels involved are too fabulous to allow that.
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I love that petite crown and am glad it's part of the Crown Jewels so it can't be disassembled. I also remember that photo of Alexandra wearing it nestled within her larger tiara.
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I love that petite crown and am glad it's part of the Crown Jewels so it can't be disassembled. I also remember that photo of Alexandra wearing it nestled within her larger tiara.
Queen Alexandra wore Queen Victoria's Crown both as a separate piece, and combined with one of her circlets.
- Alexandra wearing the crown only
- Alexandra wearing the crown within a circlet

I agree it would be a shame if the Crown were broken up, even if it had been possible.
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Thank you for that photo, Artemisia, as well as the bonus one of Alexandra wearing the crown solo.
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Perhaps as HM ages and the Imperial State Crown begins to feel heavier Victoria's little crown is something she could wear in its place.
It might also be a good suggestion for Camilla if, in the future, the Boucheron Honeycomb tiara proves to be too heavy for her to wear.
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I hope no-one ever wears it in its current incarnation. It would just look incredibly silly whether it was Camilla wearing it or the Queen herself.
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