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Old 12-21-2017, 12:44 AM
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For the York girls, I wouldn't rule out a destination wedding. Especially if they wait long enough that their grandparents are deceased. Necker Island, would be my guess.

I do think that Harry's wedding will be the last "big" televised wedding we're going to see of the BRF until George and Charlotte come of age. Even Edward and Sophie's children will be relatively low level weddings most likely.
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Old 12-21-2017, 01:01 AM
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I agree...this is the last one for at least 20 years or more.


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Old 12-21-2017, 01:59 AM
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Honestly, I don’t see the York girls having weddings that are televised or bigger than Peter Phillips’. I wouldn’t rule out a wedding on the same scale as Zara for them.
I didn't say televised. But I don't see Andrew having it be a 'hush hush' private event for his daughter. Eugenie will be the first wedding of a British princess in decades (44 years since Anne's first marriage and counting). There will definitely be a guest list, Eugenie and Beatrice both move in continental royal circles, they could have more foreign guests then Harry. Whether it is televised (highly not) or public, there will still be a great deal of planning and manoovering for it.

While media doesn't have to be taken into account, the royal guests do.

Osipi I don't see Eugenie waiting until her grandparents die. Actually I think Philip's health might push her to take next step. And I don't see her getting married without them there. Both girls have shown, even if they haven't been offered any recognition for their work, they take their royal lives very seriously. I don't see either taking off for a beach wedding with no family.

But again not saying it cant happen. Like people suggesting Harry shouldn't have got engaged until after baby Cambridge was even born, most grown ups understand they don't have a claim on the entire year. I don't see Harry and Eugenie having an issue sharing 2018 as a wedding year.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:00 AM
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I didn't say televised. But I don't see Andrew having it be a 'hush hush' private event for his daughter. Eugenie will be the first wedding of a British princess in decades (44 years since Anne's first marriage and counting). There will definitely be a guest list, Eugenie and Beatrice both move in continental royal circles, they could have more foreign guests then Harry. Whether it is televised (highly not) or public, there will still be a great deal of planning and manoovering for it.

While media doesn't have to be taken into account, the royal guests do.

Osipi I don't see Eugenie waiting until her grandparents die. Actually I think Philip's health might push her to take next step. And I don't see her getting married without them there. Both girls have shown, even if they haven't been offered any recognition for their work, they take their royal lives very seriously. I don't see either taking off for a beach wedding with no family.

But again not saying it cant happen. Like people suggesting Harry shouldn't have got engaged until after baby Cambridge was even born, most grown ups understand they don't have a claim on the entire year. I don't see Harry and Eugenie having an issue sharing 2018 as a wedding year.
What I meant is that I see it more as the Phillips children’s scale rather than a royal affair. And honestly, the foreign continental royals they have relationship with aren’t the kings and queens. Harry and William both have attended friends’ weddings in U.K. and abroad. I don’t see any possible foreign royal guest Eugenie can have that would require more consideration than William and Harry attending would’ve required of their friends. Harry’s wedding will be small on a royal scale, and the York princesses’ wedding would only be smaller. I’m not saying it’ll be hush hush, but it’d be more of a family affair rather than a royal wedding.

And honestly, the last princesses to have a big splashy royal wedding being 44 years ago won’t matter. Royal weddings are royal weddings, be it princes or princesses.

And no one has said they can’t share 2018. Simply that they might wait until they are ready, not because Harry is getting married. And it could very well not be this year. Prince Philip and the Queen are in their 90s. If Eugenie wants to hurry up because of that, she’d done it well before now.
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Old 12-21-2017, 04:33 AM
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Perhaps Eugenie's boyfriend has not asked her. I agree that if she were wanting to hurry up her weddng so as to be sure of having th queen and Philp there, she could have done it before now.
I don't believe that her weddng if she has one,will be very big, maybe not even televised.. as apart from having the title of princess she' and Bea are almost private citizens...
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Old 12-21-2017, 05:40 AM
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I definitely don't think that either of the York princesses' weddings will be televised. If Eugenie gets her way I would think 'destination wedding' perhaps in Switzerland. If Andrew gets his way it will be St George's, but I do think it will be like the Phillips wedding in scale.
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:13 PM
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Princess Michael is accused of wearing an offensive brooch

The princess is accused of wearing an offensive brooch at Buckingham Palace during Queen Elizabeth II's annual Christmas lunch in front of Meghan Markle.

Mrs. Kent did speak with Ms. Markle.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/...cid=spartandhp

Princess Michael has a history of "racial bias".
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:22 PM
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That subject has been discussed in this thread:

http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...7-a-15608.html

Personally, I know Philip's gaffes have been much, much worse.
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:35 PM
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If I were Princess Michael I would sue. “A history of racial bias” indeed. It’s tomorrow’s chip paper in a very slow news week. Unbelievable the depths to which so called journalists will sink.
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:47 PM
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If I were Princess Michael I would sue. “A history of racial bias” indeed. It’s tomorrow’s chip paper in a very slow news week. Unbelievable the depths to which so called journalists will sink.
It's true, though. Incontrovertably. Her own defense against claims that she'd insulted black people as "colonials" was not to say she didn't do it, but to say she'd tried to pass as black. Which is profoundly racist! She's a proven bigot, as most royals once were.
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:54 PM
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The princess is accused of wearing an offensive brooch at Buckingham Palace during Queen Elizabeth II's annual Christmas lunch in front of Meghan Markle.

Mrs. Kent did speak with Ms. Markle.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/...cid=spartandhp

Princess Michael has a history of "racial bias".
I'm still shocked by the obvious lack of culture and this desperate attempt to find some drama where there is not.

A reminder :

For some of our friends here lacking a bit of knowledge about High Jewellery:

"Cartier blackamoor head clip brooches (or “Moor of Venice” from Shakespeare's Othello) appeared in a great number of variations between 1950 and 1958".

The Venetian house Nardi made similar clips, called "Moretti brooch", often worn by royal ladies :

http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/le...etti-de-nardi/

http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/la...ace-de-monaco/
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Old 12-21-2017, 06:57 PM
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Nonsense. She admitted she used the word colonials but explicitly said that she did not use it in a derogatory way, neither was it aimed at the diners present. She also didn’t say she had tried to pass as black at all. She said that she dyed her hair black and pretended she was mixed race to fit in better with her circle of friends at the time - she was I believe around 17 at the time. You’re taking words from one Guardian article (a republican newspaper) and twisting it to suit a spiteful narrative.

She isn’t a proven bigot at all. Far from it. It’s time for people to calm down, move on and leave the poor woman alone. All this fuss over a brooch is absolutely insane and symptomatic of a culture that thrives on offence. The idea that “most royals” are or were racist or bigoted is equally insulting.

Princess Marina provided cover for gay friends at a time when homosexuality was illegal. Edward VII raised merry hell when he found out that people in his party were making insulting racist remarks to Indians whilst on tour there. Queen Victoria embraced Indian culture. This whole incident is being turned into something very nasty indeed. I’m aware people take comfort these days in finding things to be outraged about but slandering people to suit is a step too far.
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:03 PM
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And I might add, since when was one incident well over a decade ago a proven track record of racial bias?
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:15 PM
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I'm still shocked by the obvious lack of culture and this desperate attempt to find some drama where there is not.

A reminder :

For some of our friends here lacking a bit of knowledge about High Jewellery:

"Cartier blackamoor head clip brooches (or “Moor of Venice” from Shakespeare's Othello) appeared in a great number of variations between 1950 and 1958".

The Venetian house Nardi made similar clips, called "Moretti brooch", often worn by royal ladies :

http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/le...etti-de-nardi/

http://www.noblesseetroyautes.com/la...ace-de-monaco/


Yes, and they are all based on fetishized imagery of black people in subservient roles and are an artifact of systemic racism. In 2017, they should not be worn. This was a faux pas and Princess Michael should retire that particular brooch.
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:23 PM
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To me, its extremely possible that in choosing her jewelry to wear that day, Princess Michael just put it on without thinking. Perhaps even forgot totally that Meghan is biracial and just accepts Meghan for being Meghan and as the person that is making Harry very happy.

I seriously don't think PM was out to purposely offend or cause controversy but hey, it happened, it was a mistake. Who among us hasn't made a mistake? Anyone?
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:24 PM
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Yes, and they are all based on fetishized imagery of black people in subservient roles and are an artifact of systemic racism. In 2017, they should not be worn. This was a faux pas and Princess Michael should retire that particular brooch.
No its not. It's called ART.
This PC brigade is just ridiculous ....
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Old 12-21-2017, 07:24 PM
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Or they’re just pretty brooches with absolutely no connotation other than to depict a historical figure which the wearer finds aesthetically pleasing. Let’s not attach statue removal logic to something as insignificant as a brooch. If HRH wants to wear it, she’s entitled to. We have no idea how she came by it or what significance it holds for her personally. She’s a private person, she’s free to do as she pleases.

Everyone has the right to be offended but conversely, we all have the right to wear what we like when we like too. People can find offence in anything and frequently do but we have to draw the line somewhere. As another poster wisely pointed out, many jewels have historically murky pasts as to how they were actually acquired. Does that mean the Burmese Tiara is out? The Koh I Noor? The Australian Opals?
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:19 PM
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After reading all posts I still say whatever it means or doesn’t mean it was a silly thing to wear it. I’m sure she has enough to wear without risking anyone being upset.
And she does like a little bit of attention IMO
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:28 PM
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Let's look at the possibilities without any judgements one way or the other, just for a moment.

The first possibility is that this was a gift from her husband, children, parents or an extended family member many years ago. Maybe a relative present at the lunch. Princess Michael oftens wear it, we just haven't seen it before. She wore it because it's in regular circulation with her wardrobe and she likes it.

The second possibility is that she wears it every Christmas because she sees it as representing St Balthazar. St Balthazar is a patron saint of Germany and in particular, Saxony. Given the Princess' frequent visits to that region, it could be that she has a fondness for that Saint and even though it wasn't designed to represent St Balthazar, she feels it does and considered it suitable for a Christmas lunch.

The third possibility is that it's a recent gift connecting to one of her books which features moors as characters. Maybe a gift from her publisher or literary agent which she chose to wear to this outing because it's brand new.

The fourth possibility is that it was given to her by a public official or head of state as a gift many moons ago or recently on one of her visits abroad. Perhaps a gift from a President from one of the African countries or even an African Bishop?

The fifth possibility is that she thought it looked pretty, bought it many years ago, put her coat on and pinned the brooch on without thinking that keyboard warriors would be up in arms about it.

Was it a mistake to wear it? Was it an error of judgement? That's in the eye of the beholder and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But one thing I'm pretty sure of is that at no point did it ever cross Princess Michael's mind that she would cause offence and I reassert that she is absolutely not some habitual bigot or casual racist. We don't know why she wore it or how she came to own it but what we do know is that everyone has a right to wear what they like and everyone else has the right to love it or hate it. There are bigger social injustices out there to focus on than an antique jewel on a coat.
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Old 12-21-2017, 08:53 PM
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I seem to recall asking people to move on from discussing the broach worn by Princess Michael of Kent in the Christmas thread...I don't recall suggesting that we move the conversation to this thread.

Time to move on.

And yes, both threads will be subject to a clean up.
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