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Old 04-29-2017, 02:08 AM
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I think that its not a big deal. There's no way to know who sees who when.
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Old 04-29-2017, 03:15 AM
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Mmh, let's flashback to July 22, 2014 when Prince George turned one with his maternal grandparents, aunt and uncle's, godparents, Great Granny The Queen all at KP for the party. What great pressing event was Grandpa Charles attending to? Visiting the troops abroad? Opening a cancer center? No, he was visiting a Red Squirrel sanctuary. A lot of Charles's engagements are for his pet projects and his constant fundraising to support various personal causes. How many fundraising dinners sucking up to fat cats to pay off the loan for the Dumpfries House. There is a 200 difference between the engagement numbers of Charles versus Camilla. Even Camilla has called him a workaholic. Can you really picture Charles digging a hole in the sand with George and Lupo, holding George's hand and a bag of dog poop walking along the shore like we saw Carole doing on George's 2nd birthday?

George and Charlotte are toddlers. They need naps, car seats, sippy cups, they want to run around and play, get messy. Watch the same cartoon over and over. They don't want to put in a car for a hour than have to sit on a plane that was borrowed from the Duke of Westminster then sit in a car another hour to see Grandpa Charles for a day or two in Scotland and repeat the journey home with about 10 RPOS plus Nanny Maria, car seats everywhere you have to go. It's easier to go where the kids are then to make the kids come to you.
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Yes but it isn't like Charles is some retired man playing golf who can just go visit his grandkids. charles and Camilla have some of the busiest schedule of any royals. They aren't even in Clarence House all the time, but traveling for their different events. They aren't in Scotland on holiday, they are up there doing events. And why is it up to Charles to do the work? Do the Cambridges maje any effort to take the kids to Birkhall, Clarence, or high grove to see him?

simply there for holiday.
Does it matter? I think that Charles and his sons, just don't have that much In common. He sees the grandkids, from time to time and he is busy with his work, his wife, his interests.. WIll and Kate are clearly fond of the Middletons and enjoy spending time with them..
yes the RF do spend more time together than other families, because they are all in the "same business together" and in bygone days there was a lot of socialising and spending most of their free time in each other's company.

But I think that in recent years, that tradition has slackened..and it si now acceptable for "non royal" spouses to spend more family time with their OWN relatives as well as the royal in laws. So that's been happening with Kate and William... that they don't always go to "royal land" for their holidays or Chirstmas..and that they do go to the Middletons.
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Old 04-29-2017, 04:39 AM
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Putting the Middleton's to aside, because they don't have anything to do with any of this. It seems like the Cambridge's live in one world and Charles live in another. Now, I'm sure they do have some family time, but I think the problem is the public don't see this.

There are some pics of Charles with George, but they weren't released. Charles have said that he and George enjoy time in the garden, but no one ever see this. We see more of Princess Anne with her grandchildren, than we see Charles with his and I think this is a real issue. We all know how busy Anne is. What's wrong with releasing some pictures of Charles enjoying playing with his own grandchildren?

I don't it would hurt to see Charles and Camilla and the Cambridge's get together more often. They could carry out some joint official engagements from time to time. They could also start releasing some family pictures too.

The media have been waiting to see Charles as a grandfather since the Cambs became parents, but that kind of family unit isn't presented to them. It leads the media to think there's some real tension going on. Especially, since William and Harry have been talking about their mother and the feelings over her death, but they are failing to mention Charles's role in helping them get through it all. If that is what happened.

There's a lot of distance in Charles's branch of the family and the media is starting to say something about it. They've noticed for a while now.
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:18 AM
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I am sure Prince Charles is a doting grandfather but he will only become more important. Young George will experience his granddad as King and this will be in his more formative years. The older George becomes, the more he will see his royal grandfather.
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Old 04-29-2017, 07:07 AM
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I think that its not a big deal. There's no way to know who sees who when.
I agree. All we have to go by is what is presented in the media. I've always thought that their private times and interactions are just that. Private. When we get down to discussing how often the British royal adults see each other (which would include their children), its easy to forget that all of these adults have a engagement book that are filled months in advance and sometimes their daily itinerary is planned down to the minute. They each have their own personal interests and causes they back, their own personal hobbies and past times.

The length of time people spend together is actually no indication of closeness.
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Old 04-29-2017, 09:04 AM
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Putting the Middleton's to aside, because they don't have anything to do with any of this. It seems like the Cambridge's live in one world and Charles live in another. Now, I'm sure they do have some family time, but I think the problem is the public don't see this.

There are some pics of Charles with George, but they weren't released. Charles have said that he and George enjoy time in the garden, but no one ever see this. We see more of Princess Anne with her grandchildren, than we see Charles with his and I think this is a real issue. We all know how busy Anne is. What's wrong with releasing some pictures of Charles enjoying playing with his own grandchildren?

I don't it would hurt to see Charles and Camilla and the Cambridge's get together more often. They could carry out some joint official engagements from time to time. They could also start releasing some family pictures too.

The media have been waiting to see Charles as a grandfather since the Cambs became parents, but that kind of family unit isn't presented to them. It leads the media to think there's some real tension going on. Especially, since William and Harry have been talking about their mother and the feelings over her death, but they are failing to mention Charles's role in helping them get through it all. If that is what happened.

There's a lot of distance in Charles's branch of the family and the media is starting to say something about it. They've noticed for a while now.


Anne is basically only photographed with her grandchildren at horse trials like the one hosted at Gatcome Park where they all live. Zara is usually completing in them. We don't see pictures of Anne with Savannah,Isla and Mia going to the zoo or the park. The somewhat equivalent activity to the horse trial to the Wales side would be a polo match. However it's not something that Charles constantly attends. Now with Charlotte bigger maybe we will see both kids out at the polo field this summer.
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Old 04-29-2017, 10:30 AM
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Anne is basically only photographed with her grandchildren at horse trials like the one hosted at Gatcome Park where they all live. Zara is usually completing in them. We don't see pictures of Anne with Savannah,Isla and Mia going to the zoo or the park. The somewhat equivalent activity to the horse trial to the Wales side would be a polo match. However it's not something that Charles constantly attends. Now with Charlotte bigger maybe we will see both kids out at the polo field this summer.
It's just becoming obvious Charles's family don't present a united front at all. I always get the feeling that William and even Harry rather leave their father in his own world and just carry on with theirs.

One just thought we would see Charles with his grandchildren a little more often. Queen Margrethe of Denmark is a busy monarch, but we see her with all her grandchildren a lot and she lights up when they're around.

It wouldn't hurt to see him with the kids at Highgrove for the summer or at Birkhall. I think it would be a good idea for Charles and his family do a tour of Wales together or of the British Isles.
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Old 04-29-2017, 10:52 AM
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I totally believe that, I don't see Charles as a 'little kids' grandfather, I think he will be much more involved when they are older and he can correspond with them on an intellectual level.

And if true, what is so bad about it? Charles is 68, not everyone has the energy to deal with toddlers.
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It's just becoming obvious Charles's family don't present a united front at all. I always get the feeling that William and even Harry rather leave their father in his own world and just carry on with theirs.

One just thought we would see Charles with his grandchildren a little more often. Queen Margrethe of Denmark is a busy monarch, but we see her with all her grandchildren a lot and she lights up when they're around.

It wouldn't hurt to see him with the kids at Highgrove for the summer or at Birkhall. I think it would be a good idea for Charles and his family do a tour of Wales together or of the British Isles.
They don't have to present a 'united front'. It matters not one jot whether William gets on with Charles. They're both adults in a family with a ton of baggage.

If the Queen can attend one of George's birthday's and The Duke Edinburgh was there last year, no one is stopping Charles from attending but Charles himself.
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Old 04-29-2017, 11:06 AM
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I mainly agree that Charles is the perfect grandfather for older children.

But I will say this for any member of the RF with grandchildren, just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Old 04-29-2017, 11:08 AM
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It wouldn't hurt to see him with the kids at Highgrove for the summer or at Birkhall. I think it would be a good idea for Charles and his family do a tour of Wales together or of the British Isles.
Maybe they do see each other at Birkhall or Highgrove or anywhere else. It is just not something that is for public consumption. Its private family time and none of the rest of the world's business.

What you're suggesting is that they use the family times for PR purposes and that's the last thing I think they'd want to do.
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William and Harry have been relatively silent about their personal lives but now in the 20th year of their mother's death we are getting an outpouring from both Harry and William.

No one can guess the relationships within the most dysfunctional family in Britain, and although Charles did his best as a 'single' dad, maybe this is the boys way of setting the history books straight.

Harry and William love their father, but there are three sides to every story and the boys have the inside details.

Look at the BBC documentary last year about the Windsors. On many occasions Charles used his boys for his own PR purposes.

William felt particularly hurt being used to prop up Camilla's profile. Who knows, but it doesn't really surprise me if Charles is distant from his grandchildren.
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Old 04-29-2017, 12:30 PM
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Maybe they do see each other at Birkhall or Highgrove or anywhere else. It is just not something that is for public consumption. Its private family time and none of the rest of the world's business.

What you're suggesting is that they use the family times for PR purposes and that's the last thing I think they'd want to do.
Good PR is always good, but what I'm saying is that people would like to see Charles's branch of the family together a little more often. We all respect their private family time, but some public family time is also important. Also, there's nothing wrong with them releasing pictures of Charles with his grandkids. The gardens of Highgrove is a magical place and perfect for family pictures.
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Old 04-29-2017, 01:12 PM
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William felt particularly hurt being used to prop up Camilla's profile. Who knows, but it doesn't really surprise me if Charles is distant from his grandchildren.
I don't know if I'd call Charles distant but one thing that stuck with me reading about Charles is that he is a man that is a perfectionist. Everything has a place and everything should be in its place (except for his study which is a glorified mess from what I've read). Its been remarked that this is one reason Camilla keeps her own home of Ray Mill. There, the kids can run into the house with muddy boots and make a mess in the kitchen baking cookies with Grandma and fingerprints on the walls isn't a big deal.

As someone else has remarked, Charles, perhaps, will be more comfortable with his grandchildren once they get out of the "little people" stage and he can relate to them on a more intellectual level. We do know though that there are occasions where they all get together at Highgrove (George helped Grandpa plant a tree) and its been noted that sometimes they're all there for Sunday dinner at Clarence House. This stuff is never released to the media.

When the British royal family is out and about working for the "Firm", there are probably too many places that want them and only so many royals to go around. More gets covered if they take on things as individuals and married couples.
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I don't know if I'd call Charles distant but one thing that stuck with me reading about Charles is that he is a man that is a perfectionist. Everything has a place and everything should be in its place (except for his study which is a glorified mess from what I've read). Its been remarked that this is one reason Camilla keeps her own home of Ray Mill. There, the kids can run into the house with muddy boots and make a mess in the kitchen baking cookies with Grandma and fingerprints on the walls isn't a big deal.

As someone else has remarked, Charles, perhaps, will be more comfortable with his grandchildren once they get out of the "little people" stage and he can relate to them on a more intellectual level. We do know though that there are occasions where they all get together at Highgrove (George helped Grandpa plant a tree) and its been noted that sometimes they're all there for Sunday dinner at Clarence House. This stuff is never released to the media.

When the British royal family is out and about working for the "Firm", there are probably too many places that want them and only so many royals to go around. More gets covered if they take on things as individuals and married couples.
Right, they could do some things together though. Galas, tours of Wales, Cornwall, etc.
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I think that the most we're going to see the BRF working together on things and touring and whatnot is going to be William, Kate and Harry. This makes sense as all three of them are heading the Heads Together campaign under their Royal Foundation.

With galas, its not unusual that we even just see William without Kate or vice versa. It depends on which royal is associated with the gala. Tours, I would be willing to bet my last cinnamon roll that it won't happen as a family affair. When tours are scheduled, its geared around one royal (or royal with spouse) and their interests and patronages and especially when representing the monarch on a tour, its not going to be a family affair.

I do think its hard for this family to find the time to spend together as their time has far more demands on it than an average family. I would estimate that around 95% of what the public sees is deemed "work" for these people. When they would have time to be together on their private times, the public is not included nor should they be. We do know the family comes together for public viewing on certain occasions though like Trooping the Color and Ascot and they have a private extended Christmas lunch around the holidays. That's about as good as its going to get I believe.
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We know that George VI, Charles' grandfather

We know that King George VI, was a doting grandfather to Prince Charles and Princess Anne of Edinburgh. Those were different times, obviously. Some grandparents are just too busy to be around grandchildren.

King George VI with Prince Charles on his third birthday. News Photo | Getty Images

One of my next door neighbors has grandchildren. She has never seen them nor does she want to. She says seeing grandchildren is outdated. Some families are different.

Charles probably doesn't have much time to see his grandchildren because of past things with William.
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Charles probably doesn't have much time to see his grandchildren because of past things with William.
What past things with William? Could you clarify this statement please?
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What past things with William? Could you clarify this statement please?
The way how his relationship with Diana ended in the 1990s.
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