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Old 12-29-2010, 03:29 PM
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For a person who is incredibly awkward in a room full of unknown people, and who has been on occasions called arrogant for the simple fact that the awkwardness of interacting with people has been mistaken for no desire to do so on my part, I can sympathize with Joachim. Just because you're not easy going and can chat an earful with anyone at any time it doesn't mean you're arrogant.

And I would also like to add that proper respect should be always shown to people (whether royalty or not). I have been raised not to address anyone with the informal 'you' before given permission to do so by that person. It is a privilege of the people close to them. People have to earn the privilege of informality, it's not something to be taken for granted and you certainly don't have to put up with it just because you're royalty.

People get an incredible pleasure out of dissecting these people's lives and finding flaws. And when you start out with a complete and utter dislike for the person nothing will ever change your mind. You'll believe and want to believe anything that suits your point of view.

They're just people, they're doing the best they can and they'll never be perfect. As far as I'm concerned Marie and Joachim seem to be good people, and that's all that matters.
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Old 12-29-2010, 03:54 PM
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For a person who is incredibly awkward in a room full of unknown people, and who has been on occasions called arrogant for the simple fact that the awkwardness of interacting with people has been mistaken for no desire to do so on my part, I can sympathize with Joachim. Just because you're not easy going and can chat an earful with anyone at any time it doesn't mean you're arrogant.

And I would also like to add that proper respect should be always shown to people (whether royalty or not). I have been raised not to address anyone with the informal 'you' before given permission to do so by that person. It is a privilege of the people close to them. People have to earn the privilege of informality, it's not something to be taken for granted and you certainly don't have to put up with it just because you're royalty.

People get an incredible pleasure out of dissecting these people's lives and finding flaws. And when you start out with a complete and utter dislike for the person nothing will ever change your mind. You'll believe and want to believe anything that suits your point of view.

They're just people, they're doing the best they can and they'll never be perfect. As far as I'm concerned Marie and Joachim seem to be good people, and that's all that matters.
Joachim is not just beeing shy when he insist on the formel "you".

Joachim has made a scandal of himself some years ago. On this background he makes a fool of himself because we all know that CP Frederik never would insist on the formel "you".

Joachim is just like his father Henrik.

Expecting very odd thing.

Henrik has par example insisted on fresh herbs at his dinnertable - but only for him - not the other guest.
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:16 PM
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For a person who is incredibly awkward in a room full of unknown people, and who has been on occasions called arrogant for the simple fact that the awkwardness of interacting with people has been mistaken for no desire to do so on my part, I can sympathize with Joachim. Just because you're not easy going and can chat an earful with anyone at any time it doesn't mean you're arrogant.

And I would also like to add that proper respect should be always shown to people (whether royalty or not). I have been raised not to address anyone with the informal 'you' before given permission to do so by that person. It is a privilege of the people close to them. People have to earn the privilege of informality, it's not something to be taken for granted and you certainly don't have to put up with it just because you're royalty.

People get an incredible pleasure out of dissecting these people's lives and finding flaws. And when you start out with a complete and utter dislike for the person nothing will ever change your mind. You'll believe and want to believe anything that suits your point of view.

They're just people, they're doing the best they can and they'll never be perfect. As far as I'm concerned Marie and Joachim seem to be good people, and that's all that matters.
Well said Anney I am not a big fan of Joachim but I can respect him for what he is good at and what he does well. His private persona may be quite different from his public and you describe that very well.

And yes, prejudiced people are a lost cause - and are better left to sail their own pitiful lonely way and hopefully derive some sort of pleasure out of their strange behaviour.
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Old 12-31-2010, 05:11 AM
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My feeling is based on what I can see, is that Marie has settled very nicely in playing second fiddle to mary. she has found her niche, and is good at what she does.
I think it was more complicated with Alexandra, who was used to being first lady after the Queen, and then an Australian unexperienced lass comes on the scene, and she has to show her the ropes give her precedence and to curtsey to her.
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Correction: Alexandra never showed CP Mary the ropes - that was done by CP Frederik and their Chief-of-Court at the time Per Thornit. Alexandra never curtsied to CP Mary either and never would have had to as they were both HRH (of the same rank) when Mary married CP Frederik. Even after Alexandra was divorced and became a HH, she did not curtsy to Mary. Also, at the time of CP Couple's engagement, Alexandra and Joachim had already decided to divorce - so those were turbulent times for the couple and I doubt very much that Alexandra would have had a great deal of interaction with Mary at that time.
But I do agree with you about Marie finding her place at Shackenborg. While Marie has forged a lot of links and friendships in the local community, it does not appear that Alexandra did the same. I also noticed that most of Marie's patronages so far have links to the region where she and Joachim live - which may be a deliberate plan by the Royal House to avoid what happened with Alexandra.
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:36 AM
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It is my impression that Mary and Alexandra has become friends.

The press has photographed the couples visiting each other.
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:48 AM
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I'm sorry but can somebody pls explain me why Marie always referred to as Our Marie or La Marie?
I don't know Danish or French, so something is being lost in translation for me :)
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:54 AM
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I'm sorry but can somebody pls explain me why Marie always referred to as Our Marie or La Marie?
I don't know Danish or French, so something is being lost in translation for me :)
Thank you
I will let Muhler explain why
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Old 12-31-2010, 09:06 AM
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I'm sorry but can somebody pls explain me why Marie always referred to as Our Marie or La Marie?
I don't know Danish or French, so something is being lost in translation for me :)
Thank you
That's just me.

It's very much meant as an endearment. It's no secret that I like Marie. And I like to tease those I like.
So I usually refer to Marie as our Marie, la Marie or the fair Marie.

- It's also a little joke among some of the members here, right FasterB?

For the same reason I will, whenever I can, single out Joachim for being a perfect gentleman.
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Yes...Muhler loves the 'soap' of Joachim & Marie...right Muhler? (says I teasingly)
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Old 12-31-2010, 09:17 AM
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Yes...Muhler loves the 'soap' of Joachim & Marie...right Muhler? (says I teasingly)
That's right, Terri Terri.

I miss our little duels about who is the most idyllic/romantic couple.
But the New Year Courts are right around the corner, and our Marie and her gallant Joachim will be in focus, so....
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Old 12-31-2010, 10:20 AM
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You are so right, dear Muhler

But the focus at the New Year´s Court will be on CP Frederik, who will go alone, because CPss Mary is on maternity leave - or so I hope

A dress sells magazines better than a uniform, right? And only therefor will La Marie be in focus
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But the New Year Courts are right around the corner, and our Marie and her gallant Joachim will be in focus, so....
But Joachim and Marie only ever go to 1 New Year Court...and that's the one on January 1st. They (well, let's be honest here) Marie will be the young princess in focus...unless of course, CP Mary is giving birth to the twins at that time!
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:10 AM
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You bet that Muhler's Marie will love being the main focus of attention
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Hey...don't forget Queen Margrethe! She can hold her own too!
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:13 AM
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:34 AM
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Correction: Alexandra never showed CP Mary the ropes - that was done by CP Frederik and their Chief-of-Court at the time Per Thornit. Alexandra never curtsied to CP Mary either and never would have had to as they were both HRH (of the same rank) when Mary married CP Frederik. Even after Alexandra was divorced and became a HH, she did not curtsy to Mary. Also, at the time of CP Couple's engagement, Alexandra and Joachim had already decided to divorce - so those were turbulent times for the couple and I doubt very much that Alexandra would have had a great deal of interaction with Mary at that time.
yes you are quite right, but hypothetically had Alexandra and Jo's marriage not dissolved Alex would have had a very hard time playing second fiddle to Mary, being the dominant persoamlity she is and have a hard time giving up the place she occupied for 9 years, which wasn't the case with Marie.
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Old 01-02-2011, 09:43 AM
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yes you are quite right, but hypothetically had Alexandra and Jo's marriage not dissolved Alex would have had a very hard time playing second fiddle to Mary, being the dominant persoamlity she is and have a hard time giving up the place she occupied for 9 years, which wasn't the case with Marie.
But she should have known that once Frederik marries she would be the third lady in the country and not longer the second. When she married she was also the third until Queen Ingrid died in 2000.
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Old 01-02-2011, 10:04 AM
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yes you are quite right, but hypothetically had Alexandra and Jo's marriage not dissolved Alex would have had a very hard time playing second fiddle to Mary, being the dominant persoamlity she is and have a hard time giving up the place she occupied for 9 years, which wasn't the case with Marie.
Alexandra is the oldest of her siblings. And she was a vicedirektor in the firm she worked at in Hong Kong.

Besides of that, I don't think Alexandra has got a dominant personality.

And they are seing each other privately.

Alexandra and CP Frederik has always been very good friend and I'm sure Alexandra and CP Mary has a lot in common. Both of them have been business women with a career behind them.

I'm sure Alexandra hs been giving good advice.

And it is very obvious when you see the 11 hour tv documentary about the royal house that QMII is very tight with CP Mary in that aspect also.
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Old 01-02-2011, 03:42 PM
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Correction: Alexandra never showed CP Mary the ropes - that was done by CP Frederik and their Chief-of-Court at the time Per Thornit. Alexandra never curtsied to CP Mary either and never would have had to as they were both HRH (of the same rank) when Mary married CP Frederik. Even after Alexandra was divorced and became a HH, she did not curtsy to Mary. Also, at the time of CP Couple's engagement, Alexandra and Joachim had already decided to divorce - so those were turbulent times for the couple and I doubt very much that Alexandra would have had a great deal of interaction with Mary at that time.
But I do agree with you about Marie finding her place at Shackenborg. While Marie has forged a lot of links and friendships in the local community, it does not appear that Alexandra did the same. I also noticed that most of Marie's patronages so far have links to the region where she and Joachim live - which may be a deliberate plan by the Royal House to avoid what happened with Alexandra.

I have to agree. By the time CP Mary was entering the Royal Family, Princess Alexandra was beginning to transition to her new life as Prince Joachim's former wife. With the behind the scenes maneuvering that was taking place, I cannot see Alexandra being too involved in Mary's introduction to royal life beyond a few conversations.
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