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Old 12-01-2002, 10:28 PM
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Hello everybody!

Lorissa, (hi again&#33I agree with you in so many aspects...

I think that commoners should have at least stronger education, independence and better values than Mary Donaldson.

I do not think that if Mary D. were not Frederiks' girlfriend she would get so easy a job in Navision.

I think that Frederiks is a handsome man, he is still young (he is not "all that fat", not ugly etc), he can find someone (with better past than MD or any past) to share his life, job... a real companion for him (royal or commoner).

From what I have read about Mary D. I understand why the Queen Margrethe does not want MD (nor near her neither in picture&#33.

Cordially,

Cristina
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Old 12-02-2002, 04:54 PM
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I think Mary has expensive tastes, and while Fred is catering to them for now, I don't see that continuing. What she's going to do when the relationship ends is beyond me -- she has an apartment she can't afford, no car and no real job. Would Peter Warnoe keep her on if Fred dumped her? I don't think she has an qualifications other than being Fred's nightime entertainment, so I have to think not. Hopefully she would be able to see the writing on the wall and would educate herself so as to be able to find employment on her own merits, because no one's going to fund the ex-girlfriend of the Crown Prince.
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Old 12-02-2002, 05:13 PM
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Hi everybody,

Welcome Chris!
Well at this point we can all agree that not all commoners
are created or seen as equal by royal parents! []
Queen Margarethe is the one that I can't figure out! If she
has a problem or felt uncomfortable about Mary living at
Amalienborg she should have gotten Mary to MOVE OUT
within days of her unexpected arrival!? But Mary was allowed to stay week after week no engagement, no job
and those weeks turned into loonnnggg months ![]She sure could have told Fred that Mary has to move to London or Paris and then get their act together but it looks like everybody just ignored the situation which of course set the press & reporters to assume that Mary is well on her way to being the next CP![] so it's really
mommys fault ! I know If some girl moved or showed up at
my brothers place ( parents own it] and was living there
without a job he (he's also a Fred] would get @#$@
hel!l my mom would be sooo furious he would be scared
out of his pants! And if I pulled a " Mary "well I know Mom whould kill me ! []
ROBB
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Old 12-02-2002, 09:22 PM
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Hi Robb. Great points as always.

I think that Mary never should have been allowed to stay at Amalienborg in the beginning, ever. Perhaps Queen Margrethe did say something to Fred, but he may have not known how to approach the subject with Mary. He may actually want to get out of the relationship now as some have suggested, but he simply may not know how to end it with Mary. Sometimes people fear hearing themselves say things like: I want a divorce; It's over; I met someone else etc. Some things are just really hard to say for some individuals so they avoid them until the last hour or they just live with things as they are. :(

I think that Her Majesty would have done well to tell Fred that sleepovers were not an option in the very beginning, and that would have honestly set the tone right at that point. This would have left no room for Mary to ever live at the palace. But, who knows if she knew how serious things were and that Mary was planning to move to Denmark? Queen Margrethe couldn't have known exactly what kind of game Mary was playing in the beginning.

I think that Mary's moving somewhere near to Denmark but not actually Denmark itself would have been a better idea since Mary obviously really had no problem with moving internationally. Anywhere else in Europe would have been great, but the fact that she moved from Australia to Denmark was simply a bit much, so of course, it caused and is still causing all of this media attention. She could have been near Fred without drawing so much attention all of the time in my opinion. I remember when Princess Maxima moved to Brussels-that was ideal in my opinion.
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Old 12-03-2002, 01:56 AM
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Hola Chris!

How are you? I am so glad you are back as I missed you heaps. I do agree very strongly that if Mary was not dating Frederik she would not have got the job in Naravision in the first place. When going for a job interview, especially in a foreign country where noone knows you, if they had a look at her employment history, no profit making company in their right frame of mind would hire her. Its like one year here and another year there, almost like "Old McDonald had a farm...." :x I wonder if Fred's friend just say that she works there for appearance and respectablility, but she doesn't really work there or get paid. Fred and many hardworking Danes are footing the bill? :x :o
I think that anything is possible with Fred and his generosity. :x

Hugs and I hope you have a nice day!

Lorissa
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Old 12-03-2002, 01:13 PM
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It may definitely be a waste of taxpayers money. I know it obviously appears that Mary and Fred will marry especially since she has situated herself in Denmark and very near Fred, but what if all of this "prince-hunting" and "modeling course" just becomes too much for Fred and he sees that she was out to snag a prince and use him all along? Honestly, Beatrice and anyone else who comes out of hiding and starts talking about Mary can say whatever they like. It can just be regarded as hearsay if there is no proof and people will eventually move on and forget about it. But, if too many people start talking about how Mary loved the good life; how she only dated successful men; how she may have taken lots of gifts from them; how she was out to catch herself a prince and all of this kind of stuff then I think that it would be hard for Fred and his family to constantly ignore that. That would present a pattern, and Mary would now have been seen as going the extra mile with the course preparing for royal life so to speak-talk about getting ahead of yourself.

Fred may realize that Mary may have been at his constant disposal but that she is just out to get married and marry well. She is using him and doesn't really care about what being CP/Queen would really entail. She can't really care that much when looking at the way in which she first presented herself to the people of Denmark. She moved into the palace and started living with him. I don't care if Fred was willing to allow it. The fact is that a sensible, sophisticated, and intelligent woman with any morals would not have done such a thing. A more sensible person who have said, "No thank you." It's not as if they were engaged or just living together in an apartment somewhere. Just because someone allows you to do something doesn't mean that you should do it. I don't see how more of the citizens of Denmark aren't offended by this like Maria F. I would be. But, as Kelly B. once pointed out eventually the infatuation with Mary, marriage and all of these other things will eventually fade and people will start to look at the entire situation. I wonder what "Marvelous Mary" is going to do then?

As a taxpayer, I would already be upset that I was helping to pay for bills and necessities of a grown woman who actually has a good job but because she feels the need to live above her means I along with other taxpayers get to help her along while in the meantime people who really need help may not be able to get it. However, if I were to pay for all of this along with other taxpayers and Fred were to get rid of her, I would be even more upset. That would have been an incredible waste in more ways than one.
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Old 12-04-2002, 07:38 AM
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Hi everybody!

Robb,

If Mary Donaldson will marry Prince Frederik I really do not Know. Instead I will make just a few points...

Well, if Queen Margrethe has accepted Mary Donaldson with "open arms", so why not live until the "engagement" in Amalienborg?

From what I have read, Alexandra is not a royal exactly (not before her wedding with Joachin) and Queen Margrethe has accepeted her for sure.

Since Queen Margrethe is a Lady I can see her telling Mary "I do not like you, so go to live in Paris because there is easy for Frederiks to see you, It is less far from Australia".

From everything that is beeing said...I have to agree with Prince Henrik (we can say many things about him except that he is not sincere, genuine) He said once "...My son Frederiks have to know that only a perfect body is not enough to be Queen... My only sister in law is Alexandra..."

Have a nice day...

Cordially

Cristina

P.s. : Have a nice day too, Lorissa!!

I was having problems to enter in the Forum...
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Old 12-04-2002, 11:09 AM
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Hey Robb,

How are you? Thanks so much for your funny posts about the ghostbuster. It always brightens my day. What does Felipe do with so many Teddy bears? And he really sleeps with them? WOW!! :o
Robb, I agree with you. I am not saying this to be disrespectful towards Fred, but its like he is a spoilt brat who has always had lots of money and doesn't care about spending excessively hardworking Taxpayers dollars. If I was Mary I would feel ashamed of myself as her actions is so self serving. Her actions is not CP/Q like. To be taken seriously and earn respect, she would have to at least get a "real" job and do some "real" work for once. I wonder often where she got so much money to live a Hollywood lifestyle in Sydney or who funded it, possibly maybe another secret sugar daddy or fool like Fred? If she can't cope for longer than one year with Rubicam and Young, Belle Property (nine months only) and Love Agency, ect..then how will she be able to cope with sixty years in the same boring role, day after day and night after night. I know that I wouldn't be able to do it.

I hope you have a fabulous day, Robb and hugs to you. :)

Lorissa
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Old 12-04-2002, 11:39 AM
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http://www.billed-bladet.dk/

Princess Alexandra always have a natural and very peaceful look about her. She is beautiful and spiritual, but not beautiful like Supermodel, but has that inner glow which is natural. Mary on the other hand is very beautiful, but always has that popeye look. :o
In some photos Mary's eyes are so animated that it looks as if it is going to burst out like some comet and hit the cameramen, Journalists, Prince Henrik and Queen Margrethe when she does finally meet them on the forehead and send them on a around the world trip, faster than a 747 jet. Mary's eyes are so dangerous and could possibly kill Fred or harm him someday. :x :o

I wish sometimes I can tell her that natural smiles and facial expressions is the best. :)
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Old 12-04-2002, 01:10 PM
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Good Morning Lorissa,

Ha ha me offended nah, It sure was funny [ ]You do make a excellent point! []
Well it's December so If they were planning a May wedding they have to have an engagement announced
SOONER rather than LATER! I must say I can't compare
the two women even If Mary does become CP Princess
Alexandra came into the marriage and into Denmark under
diffrent and (happier] circumstances and she has a confidence that shows not just in her elf but her kids and with she's with her husband no modeling course can buy!
I have a feeling that Mary will be the second banana but thats going to be her problem![] BTW that would be
funny If Mary WAS kept waiting for 5 or 10 years or longer
boy, woundn't that wipe that smirk of her face forever!?[] Bea and all her other so called friends will be married with kids and Mary is still a girlfriend in waiting?
I think the Queen won't invite her over for Xmas too!
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Old 12-04-2002, 01:21 PM
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Hey Lovely Robb,

How are you? Thanks so much for reminding me about the "smirk". I forgot about that. I agree with your posts and like the bit about Mary becoming "second banana". Cool and makes and makes me think of banana's in pyjamus. Yeah, I wonder how long would she have to wait for that ring. Gee, Time has really flown by so quickly, It is exactly a year ago since Mary resigned from her "job" and moved to the U.K. :o

I hope you have a fabulous evening and have fun, take care and send you hugs and friendship. :) B)

Hugs,

Lorissa
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Old 12-04-2002, 01:39 PM
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Hello people!

Robb,

I agree with you too. With Alexandra everything was different and in better circunstances than now...

Lorissa,

I find Alexandra elegant and a beautiful girl too. And more than that she was a "modern girl" when she met Joachin with a career (a real job) and has always her family around, she seems to be both a good wife and mother... I have never seem her in that kind of clothes tha Mary D. likes (tops, horrible skirts, etc.).

A modeling course for what? To take photos? To be a movie star? Come on...

I think that Mary will be the ex "next princess in wating Eva Sannum".

Mary Donaldson takes my advice (or Madonna advice if you want...):

"Don't go for second bes baby put your love to te test...

Fancy cars go very fast but they wont last no, no...

Satin shee are very romantic but what happens if you're not there..."

I do not remember the lyrics very well...


See you later...

Cordially

Chris
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Old 12-04-2002, 01:46 PM
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Dear Chris,

How are you? Well said as usual. I agree totally with everything, plus the acting lessons. If you need to take acting lessons while dating a Prince, then you must see this whole relationship like a showcase on broadway or something. Love, relationship and marriage should not be one big stage act, but from the heart and mind. It shows no sincerity at all. :x

Chris, I really love the lyrics to th song and very true in real life too. You have hit things spot on. :)

I wish you a very beautiful day for beautiful Chris. :)

Hugs,

Lorissa
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Old 12-04-2002, 02:43 PM
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Well Mary is on the covers again..

BT has a story today about the programme which airs tomorrow. Two young men from Marys past - a coworker and someone from her school - praise her and say that she's wonderful, lovely, the most beautiful woman they ever saw.. I'm sorry, I find this too much. I'll repeat myself - Mary is pretty, but please! She's not that beautiful. And like so many off you have said - she looks very selfconcious (spelling..) when she's being photograhped.

The gossip-magazines tomorrow all have Mary on the cover (I think, I havn't seen Billed Bladet yet).
Se og hør says that Fred and Mary will marry on the 24th of may.
Her og nu says that Mary is sad; she won't be spending christmas with Frederik.
Kig ind says the opposit; that Margrethe has approved Mary and that she will spend christmas with Frederik.

I'll report back tomorrow, it certainly will be a big Mary-day..

Mary
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Old 12-04-2002, 02:53 PM
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Hi Lorissa, Robb, and Chris! :)

Well said as usual.

I just the think that the fact that Mary took a modeling/acting course that is frequented by models and those wanting to get into show business is just a slap in the face to The Royal Family of Denmark and royals in general. In essence Mary is viewing being CP/Queen as something that is fake and completely superficial in which she only has to dress well, have clear skin, and walk and stand in a proper manner. Honestly, the first thing that she should have done to prepare since she insisted on getting ahead of herself was to go to the nearest library and do some historical reading along with a large amount of volunteer work here and there IMO. Also familiarizing herself with diplomacy would also have been a great idea since one of the main functions of royals is to serve as ambassadors for their countries and its citizens. A friend could have helped Mary with her hair, makeup, clothing, etc. If she didn't have a friend that possessed that ability then perhaps the first thing that she should of done was to get a better class of friends and then move on from there.

Lorissa, there is no need to apologize, a least not to me. You of all people know how twisted and wicked my sense of humor is at times. I thought that you were very funny, and that you are right about many of Mary's more recent photos. She kind of looks like a deer caught in headlights trying to play it off for the camera. :( I think that Mary has that "Popeye" look Lorissa because for the most part she is faking it. She's acting and the camera has unfortunately caught her in the "act" a few times.
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Old 12-04-2002, 02:58 PM
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Thanks for the update Maria.

Quote:
Originally posted by MariaF@Dec 4 2002, 06:43 PM
BT has a story today about the programme which airs tomorrow. Two young men from Marys past - a coworker and someone from her school - praise her and say that she's wonderful, lovely, the most beautiful woman they ever saw..
These young men must not know very many women and they must not socialize or travel very often. As I once said when speaking of Eva Sanuum (sp?): "She's attractive enough, but no great beauty, IMO." I saw a more attractive woman than Mary this morning at the newstand."
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Old 12-04-2002, 03:06 PM
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I think that the comments made by her former co-workers (the most beautiful woman they ever saw) are inflated a bit too much. I wonder if she was even close (friendship) with them.
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Old 12-04-2002, 03:44 PM
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Thank you, Maria F. for starting a new thread. That last one was getting a bit long to follow.

I don't know what will happen, but I think Mary will make a good crown princess for Denmark.
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Old 12-04-2002, 05:03 PM
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Hello again!

Just one question...From December to May, I think this is so little time to any engagement to be held in the near future, and more than that what about the parliament approval?

Come on Mary Donaldson is not all that pretty girl...Elegant she is not for sure...What I conclude that she has not any help from the Palace.

If to be a Queen you only have to take photos (and it is not true)...Well, in that case I can say that Mary "will be" a great Queen... I think that are other girls that could represent Denmark better...

Cordially,

Cristina
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Old 12-04-2002, 05:15 PM
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I don't think that Mary will be a good CP for Denmark. She and Fred may actually marry, but conquest in itself will not make her a good CP or Queen. In the event that she and Fred actually marry, Mary may one day be great in time (but she will have years of work to do before that happens), but so far she doesn't have what it takes. She is fake IMO and her motives are obvious. Someone on the board once compared her to the obsession and reaction that was given to Sarah Ferguson upon her courtship and eventual engagement to Prince Andrew and I agree with that comparison in many ways. Everyone love Fergie in the beginning, but after the wedding when she didn't behave very royally, gained weight, didn't dress well, and of course the affair that was captured on film and did her in completely everyone hated her. She was everything but a breath of fresh air then. As if the affair wasn't enough she was already being crucified constantly for her manner of dress and weight. Funny, how the public's perception of you changes when the fairy tale wedding and spectacle are over and the big white dress has been packed away?

I believe that if there is eventually a marriage, the initial infatuation and obsession will fade once Mary has to actual put herself into the role of CP. She just doesn't have what it takes IMO. I am unfortunately not so concerned with Fred marrying and his having a new girlfriend that wasn't a lingerie model or pop star that I see Mary as being the most ideal choice for CP of Denmark. I doubt that it would be difficult to find someone more suitable.

I have tried to convince myself that it was possible that she had what it takes, but I simply cannot do it. It just isn't there.
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