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Old 09-10-2013, 03:52 AM
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It is said (in HUMO) that Fabiola ordered him to be examined by an exorsist once, so perhaps he did receive some attention from his uncle and aunt, not the kind of attention that he needed though.

Note that the lawyer left the possibility open, he didn't say that Laurent would actually go ahead. As for the reasons: it may be his own wish, it may be that the court is looking for a way out and finds this a less painful solution than to let the former monarch donate his DNA, or Laurent may want to use this threat as 'exchange' so he will still will play some role at court, it may be that the lawyer spoke on his own behalf... who knows? Fact is that he is the only one of his family who has (minimal) contact with Delphine lately.
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:13 AM
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My first thought is that it would be quite convenient for the royal family in Belgium if Laurent - the black sheep of the flock - was the one who submitted his DNA for testing. No matter what the result is, Albert and/or Philippe doesn't have to be involved in the testing. And Delphine would also get her answer.
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:38 AM
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My first thought is that it would be quite convenient for the royal family in Belgium if Laurent - the black sheep of the flock - was the one who submitted his DNA for testing. No matter what the result is, Albert and/or Philippe doesn't have to be involved in the testing. And Delphine would also get her answer.
The thing is that there have always been a shadow of doubt about Laurent being Albert's son, so Delphine might end up asking Philippe or his father anyway, saying that it wasn't conclusive or demanding that a specific person is the one having to submit it, I don't know.
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Old 09-10-2013, 05:14 AM
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Well, that would only be the case when the results are that the DNA doesn't match. I would say it is more likely that it will match. Even the king's lawyer didn't deny that Delphine was his biological daughter, he only said that the king doesn't regard himself as her father. If Laurent had any doubts that Albert was not his biological father, I am sure he would never be open to the possibility of donating his DNA.

This case is a big test for the new king. These inherited scandals are always the messy, like king Carl Gustav's inherited disagreements with his uncle. For now people give Philippe the benefit of the doubt, let's hope that he will find a satisfactory solution for this. We can not blame Philipe for this mess, but he will need to find a solution quickly. Though it seems that the tactic of Albert's lawyers is to postpone the whole procedure until it is too late. King Albert himself did a good job in normalizing the relations with the Argenteuil branch of his family btw, which he also inherited from his predecessor. Baudouin didn't succeed to do the same with his uncle Charles.
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Old 09-10-2013, 06:26 AM
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Gosh, all of this is getting more and more ridiculous....
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:20 AM
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Nasty Nasty and ridiculous Bine I agree, a lot of belgians will not look Sybille second part.

The Dutch newspapers are writing such a lot of old and uninteresting and strange stories even from Leopold II ...

All is focused now about the King and the Queen "Joyeuses Entrťes" and their exemplary family.
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:23 AM
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I also have to agree about all these stuff being extremely ridiculous. Now that I see all these problems in this family , I am glad to see that Philippe and Astrid have great, strong and loving families. I don't know much about Laurent's family, but I can say for sure that he made a stronger family than his parents did.
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:52 AM
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Anyone else..who watched the first part?
Did the "plight of the unwanted child" touch you? I am interested in knowing the response..
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:02 AM
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Perhaps Laurent just has a strong sense of what is right and wrong
That would be the first time ;-)


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She has a child same age as Eleanor and one old enough to ask questions .....Wonder how he explains to her kids that everyone loves, dotes their cousins but one whole side of the family and alto of the publc wishes they did not exist it? That has had to have come up. Very confusing for the little one and hurtful, angering for a preteen. How do you even start?
Well, like in million of other families. You just explain it. My cousins, uncles and aunts from my mother side hates me (which is much worse than just ignoring me). It's sad, but you get used too. You don't miss people you never know. Yes, sometimes you wish you had a cousin you could be close to, but I mean, I went to school, to sports, classes, I do know other people than my family, so do Delphine's children. I know Belgium's a very small country but they are some other 5-years old toddlers than Josťphine and Eleonore!
And Delphine's children have father too, maybe he has siblings, and any nephews?

What seems much harder to explain is why mommy has the surname from a guy who she rejected, yet he was married to granny, but that guy is probably not mommy's father.
Happens in thousand of families too I, they still work it out.


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It is said (in HUMO) that Fabiola ordered him to be examined by an exorsist once, so perhaps he did receive some attention from his uncle and aunt, not the kind of attention that he needed though.
WAAW!!! HUMO, Seriously?! Did ever they wrote anything that was right and not to destined to shock anybody?

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Laurent may want to use this threat as 'exchange' so he will still will play some role at court


THIS! Or maybe some money, I've heard he was somehow interested with that, at least more than with his relationships with his family and the respect towards his parents.
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:55 AM
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Anyone else..who watched the first part?
Did the "plight of the unwanted child" touch you? I am interested in knowing the response..
Well, the most people I know who watched it were totally disgusted about Sybille and somehow Delphine too.
I can't really answer your question, I don't watch stupid things like that :-) But as far as I can tell, a lot of people who watched part I are not going to watch part II. Too ridiculous, not interesting, Sybille seems just to be frustrated not to be a queen and tries to gain money and attention with this series.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:18 PM
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What baffles me is how anyone who watched the first part of the interview with Sybille de Sťlys Longchamps could come away with intensified negative feelings towards Delphine BoŽl. Delphine *never* appears on the camera (except in photos that her mother has released which show the Baroness and her daughter with the now King Albert). Very strange.

Furthermore, around a million people watched the first installation of the programme, so it will indeed be interesting to see how many tune in for the second part.
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Yeah. Who told you that, you were there?
No, but then either were you! Delphine said that in the very first interview she gave after the author outed her. She said she called him for help and he not only told her he didn't care about the media chasing her, he would not help and she should never call again, with a slam of the phone. Very, very classy of a man to treat his own flesh and blood that way. she was being chased by the media because of his actions and he could care less! There was never a contradiction from the court regarding her statement. Considering how happy they are to deny everything else, I will go with the public statement.

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It was not a dinner, but an expo. It was not prince Philippe who did ask this, did he? So you can't blame him, or Albert.[\Quote]
Mistranslation in English then, they said dinner in the English papers. Do you really think the palace had NOTHING to do with her suddenly being uninvited from an event she was invited but did not seek an invitation to? Suddenly unwelcome and you actually believe that no one had her uninvited when she was told it would be an embarrassment? As if she had the plague or was a murderer. She is the victim here.
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Let's be very honest, nobody would ever be interested in her art if she was not king Albert's presumed child. So yes, there's discrimination, but only positive IMHO. And in some point, I do understand Jacques BoŽl.
Yes, please let's DO be honest! She was actually living and working as such BEFORE she was drug out into the open by the author. At that point no one knew. I see nothing positive in the way she is being treated by the palace, the kings apologists or the people, including Boel who are acting as if she should be ashamed and hide because she is somehow unworthy due to the sins of her parents!


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BANG! Bad information, check your info and try again.
Paola was not a saint, but she was Albert's wife BEFORE Sybille came and cheated ON HER HUSBAND with a MARRIED GUY . So not a Saint Sybille either.
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Are you a friend of Delphines or what?
Bang? Really? I see more problems with your statements, honestly. Are you one of the King's friends? Unless you sit in his office I doubt seriously you know more than anyone posting. The news is international, we all read and see the same things. No one nation has more knowledge anymore. The Internet is global now.

I certainly never accused any of the four 'adults' of sainthood. They were ALL married. THEY ALL broke their vows. They should be the ones who should reap the consequences, Delphine and her child (like when they speak of Phillipe and hurt his children, the same is true on the other side) are the one being punished. They are not pariahs! The parents should be embarrassed and asked not to show their face, not the innocent party, Delphine!!

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She better never had done this tv-documentaire. Now we all know she's just a "crazy, frustrated old woman, jealous because she never was a queen" (I just quoted a totally anti-monarchist relative )
Delphine was not interviewed at all for this. Her mother was. Since Phillipe is not to blame for his father, how is Delphine to blame for what her mother says in an interview? Pot, please meet kettle (or bang or whatever, you wish). If the King had done the right thing with his child, the "crazy, frustrated old woman" would never have been on any tv.

She, by the way never asked to be Queen. Delphine has also never asked for a title. She asked for her name to be cleared, to put a stop to people like you claiming she is crazy or delusional or not his child. She asks this because the palace has smeared her, Albert in particular, and by association her future children and heirs. She deserves the basic human dignity of knowing who she is and not having to hide and be treated as if she should be shamed of her birth. She had no choice in the matter.

Belgium is a small country and Albert still holds a lot of cards. Doors all over will be closed as long as the palace treats her badly because people will want favor with the king and lack courage to stand for what is right lest they be treated like she and his son Laurent!! The only way to do that is seek TRUTH. Obviously, the palace is afraid of that.
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Oh..stop fighting..over those losers Albert and Sybillie and Paola.. All three of them silly jerks
Now tell me..the court case is gonna be solved by end of 2014, right?
So if she is recognised, and if by chance Philippe, repenting for his father's mistakes, creates her Princess of Belgium, without any place in succession..she can officially start representing belgium, right..
Maybe at the coronation of future CharlesIII and Camilla, and other future European monarchs, we ll have Princess Dephine Boel of Belgium.. Isnt it a good idea?
How will the Belgium people receive this hypothetical situation?
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She can't be made a Princess of Belgium, because her parents weren't married. She will still be a natural daughter.
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Now tell me..the court case is gonna be solved by end of 2014, right? So if she is recognised, and if by chance Philippe, repenting for his father's mistakes, creates her Princess of Belgium, without any place in succession..she can officially start representing belgium, right..
Maybe at the coronation of future CharlesIII and Camilla, and other future European monarchs, we ll have Princess Dephine Boel of Belgium.. Isnt it a good idea?
No, it's a bad idea; Philippe has nothing to repent on and it's up to Albert to do the repenting, that is, what he owes her. After this documentary and the other outlandish accusations, she deserves only what the law will see her as entitled to and nothing more.

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Probably not well since Delphine and her mother are making the RF (and by proxy the nation) into a laughingstock.
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Old 09-10-2013, 05:04 PM
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Sybille de Sťlys Longchamps and Delphine BoŽl have not made the Royal Family into a laughingstock.

King Albert and his advisers have created the current situation by not handling this affair and the private citizens involved in the proper manner.
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She can't be made a Princess of Belgium, because her parents weren't married. She will still be a natural daughter.
"Natural daughter"..Its on this forum I am probably seeing this word for the first time..Is it a more "modern" way of calling an illegitemate child?
Because every child is a natural child right..There is nothing like an artificial child..maybe surrogates..
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"Natural daughter"..Its on this forum I am probably seeing this word for the first time..Is it a more "modern" way of calling an illegitemate child?
Because every child is a natural child right..There is nothing like an artificial child..maybe surrogates..
It's not actually a modern term, although you do have the definition right. The OED dates the term back to at least the 15th century. The word "natural" used to be a word for mistress, so the natural child would be the child of the natural.
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Yes, please let's DO be honest! She was actually living and working as such BEFORE she was drug out into the open by the author. At that point no one knew. I see nothing positive in the way she is being treated by the palace, the kings apologists or the people, including Boel who are acting as if she should be ashamed and hide because she is somehow unworthy due to the sins of her parents!
Oh, because she has some piece of art without a crown, the word ****, the word king or the belgian flag?
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Bang? Really? I see more problems with your statements, honestly. Are you one of the King's friends? Unless you sit in his office I doubt seriously you know more than anyone posting. The news is international, we all read and see the same things. No one nation has more knowledge anymore. The Internet is global now.
You have two post, both about Delphine, act like you do know better than us... so that's why I asked. I have a few more posts, and unlike you in different forums. I didn't wanted to attack you, just ask.

And to be honest, yes, I do know things that a lot of people do not. That's one of the benefits of living in the country of the story actually happened and where you can talk to people who saw things, being related with some families, etc.

You said Baudouin said that divorce equals abdication and that's why Paola fought for her marriage.
1) Sybille said the divorce paper were ready and about to be sent.
2) Albert was never expected to reign. Everyone (including Albert and Boudouin) tought that Philippe would be the next king. But Boudouin died too early, and he wasn't prepared well enough yet.
3) People do fall in love again, that happens. People might see their fault, especially when finalizing a divorce, and want to try again. There are millions of love stories where it happened. Why not Paola and Albert?
You know how they went back together, do you? It happened at a bal. They are all written over again in books and biographies. Then Astrid initiated them in catholic groups, etc.

Her mother was interviewed, right. But then Delphine has her own implication in this affair. I do not hate Delphine, it's okay to want to seek the truth. It's not okay if her mother wants to steal the show and say everything she wants for Delphine's sake. She clearly takes profit of this history, and yes, sometimes what people do has repercutions on other people. That's sad.
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If the King had done the right thing with his child, the "crazy, frustrated old woman" would never have been on any tv.
Yeaaah, let me seriously doubt about that one.
And then, it's not like she was abandonned and never had a father. She had one, Jacques BoŽl.
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Belgium is a small country and Albert still holds a lot of cards. Doors all over will be closed as long as the palace treats her badly because people will want favor with the king and lack courage to stand for what is right lest they be treated like she and his son Laurent!!
How he treated Laurent. That's quite funny actually. You should reread all the items of the forum about Laurent. Just to see who treats who badly.
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From what I can tell of her upbringing, she had Jacques and a wealthy stepfather who raised her in plenty, so I don't know why on earth she would think of herself as completely and unconditionally deprived.

So why be so bitter about Albert and vicious to Philippe?

This is heading to an ugly climax, I know that much.
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