Prince Harry Current Events 13: July-August 2006

[Panther2000]

Panther2000..i agree with your posts as well. It seems as if the press has decided to make them (William & Harry) the good brother vs. the bad brother! And anything that Harry does is getting blown out of proportion. So what if Harry goes to a casino and spends a couple of dollars? Does that say he has a gambling problem? Yes, Harry is not an ordinary young man/officer but I don't think he is shaming the family. Is he running up huge gambling debts, starting fights at the casino and being disrepectful to people. I think not. I tell you what it really is...a slow news week!

He does need to stop grabbing/kissing women while drunk. Especially since the press is always looking for a photo and/or a story. While I am not saying that he is running around attacking women...I am sure this will not go over with the girlfriend.

Thanks, I agree with you as well. As a Woman & Mother I don't like to see this type of behavior by any young man in public. It doesn't matter if they are royal or not, or what ever station they are in life. It is just bad taste period. HOWEVER, that does look like Williman Piss drunk in the background there. I have heard of William's Unprince like behavior in the past. But, it has been pretty much kept under the wrap or brushed off. Harry sees to get the Big Press when it comes to getting caught acting unprincely. I remember hearing a very well known British Entertaiment Press person talking about the boys( A few years ago) & he actually said that William was wilder than harry at that time( Harry being still young at the time) but, he was wild & somewhat nasty at the time. But, everyone played it down as to not tarnish the Golen Childs image. Though, I know that he has matured sense then. But , it just shows how, the game is played. Good Cop, Bad Cop/ Good, Prince, Bad Prince. Though, I still think that Harry will turn out to be a wonderful Man when he does mature. Remember, Andy's nickname. Randy Andy. & Prince charles made headlines in his day also. Nothing this outhere. But, harry isn't the 1st. But, I must say again. that Picture ( no Excuses for that). But, that all goes with the drinking. & that goes for both brothers.

 

[Skydragon]

Palace demands Sun correct facts about pictures of prince

BUCKINGHAM Palace yesterday clashed with the Sun after the tabloid newspaper ran pictures of Prince Harry groping a woman at a nightclub.
The Sun claimed the pictures, also featuring Prince William, were taken this summer, but royal officials insisted that they were three years old.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1196172006

The above article backs Warren's theory about pay back.

 

[Skydragon]

The point is the way Harry treats other people. He had no right to behave this way, I think it was very offensive. To some extent it shows us "real Harry". And this is the problem.

Has Natalie complained somewhere that I missed?

Is everyone saying that they have never seen anything like this before, never seen the behaviour that normally accompanies one or two too many?

This does NOT show anyone the 'real Harry', it shows you one milisecond of an 18 year olds private life, when he had one drink too many.

The young woman involved didn't get upset by it, why on earth should we?

 

[Frances1]

Even tho this photos are 3 years old, Harry should be made aware that his behaviour is on trial at all times due to the role and position he has in life!
This will not do! Now the papers are all waiting for anything they can print, along this fashion.
If I were the girl ( and she claims these photos were locked in a drawyer in her apartment) and these were printed without my consent and if I were Harry, I would sue the Sun... No way would she this newspaper print these photoes, 1. since they appear to be stolen property... 2. without putting a date on them, when they were actually taken..

 

[Zonk]

If the photos are at least three years old and the owner (Natalie) didn't give permission for them to be published...then it looks like the Sun bit off more than it can chew. Can you say LAWSUIT!

I wonder if someone else in their crowd took pictures. It wouldn't be the first time Harry was sold out by a so called friend.

 

[pollyemma]

If the photos are at least three years old and the owner (Natalie) didn't give permission for them to be published...then it looks like the Sun bit off more than it can chew. Can you say LAWSUIT!

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on what grounds could she sue?

 

[Zonk]

While I am not a lawyer..I just play one on television. I would hazard to guess that they needed her permission to publish the photos and if they didn't. Isn't that copyright infringement, violation of privacy, possession of stolen goods. Any or all of the above?

 

[TonyaR]

on what grounds could she sue?

On the grounds of 'stolen personal property'. A person should be entitled to keep their personal property without having it stolen and sold to someone else without their permission.

 

[Oppie]

Along with libel. Pictures of the Princes are considered in the interest of the public so some laws don't apply, but taking a three year old picture out of context and suggesting that he is cheating on his girlfriend would be libel so there are grounds to sue.

Reese Witherspoon threatned to sue over suggestions that she was pregnant from pictures taken out of context.
David Beckham over pictures of him wearing a towel (well actually carefully holding one) the papers had to issue an apology and donate the money to a charity.
Britney Spears got an apolgy for threating to sue a paper that took pictures out of context to show that she was divorcing her her husband.

They (especially if the pictures were stolen) have grounds to sue.

 

[TonyaR]

I agree that he has to be on watch 24/7 and because of that, he can't let his hair down beyond that walls of the palace. Like you said, he has a station in life and he was follow through with the responsibilities that the station constrains him to. This 'normal' needs to be biten in the butt because being raised in the public eye as a grandson, son and eventual brother of a monarch is not normal. And, neither is playing polo and skiing on a soldier's pay. When he heads home from the base on his off time, he heads home to a palace, courtiers, valets and household workers. Apparently allowing the boys to be 'normal', the parents didn't take the time to tell the boys that this 'normal' stuff is through school days. Once 18, you've got a duty to the crown and to your own destiny. Sorry didn't mean to sound too mean or not allowing them to 'let their hair down', but I'm on this forum to get the latest on the family-not to see a family I lose respect for everyday and then question why any culture wants to continue to support these people.

HRH Kimetha,
I would like to respond to that. IMO you always say things that are intelligent and sensible, so I don't like to disagree with you but I feel that I must say this:

Harry and William both have been good loyal sons and decent young men.

It's true that once they turned 18 both princes had to automatically turn on the 'Duty to the Crown' programming and keep it running 24 hours a day, but realistically that just isn't humanly possible.

At the time the stolen photos were taken, Harry was 18 years old ! Not 20, not 21, but 18.

18 year olds are not as experienced in self disciplined as say, a 21 year old.

The Prince Harry in the pictures is not the same Prince Harry we see today.

They were paryting at a club and obviously being silly. The picture in question shows him hugging Natalie, giving her a peck on the cheek and touching her boob.....
And?
She obviously was consenting and over 21 at the time, and it was definitely her body and his hand, her decision to allow it and or enjoy it.

As the single young man that he was at the time the pictures were taken, he was free to touch or hug or kiss anyone who wanted to allow it and was consenting.
I'm aware that images of a member of the royal family touching someone's body parts (even if by consent) are bad form, but consider this:
the photos were taken 3 years past and just surfaced a couple of days ago; it's obvious they weren't intended for the general public to see.

Neither Prince Harry nor Prince William should be judged on something that not only took place when they were younger men and less mature, but was also supposed to be private and not presented to the public at large.

I think both Princes are much more careful now and more conscious of their duty than they were then.
The issue now should be, how are they behaving today, and how will they behave tomorrow?
They should be judged on the merits of recent activities and behaviour, not 3 year old stolen photos.

 

[karla64]

Prince Harry's fury over 'playboy' pictures
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=400789&in_page_id=1770

Is Harry wildest prince???
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006370740,00.html

 

[Heidi P.]

Karla64,

It looks like the Sun is trying to backtrack and make-up for yesterday's "schocking" story about Prince Harry.

 

[karla64]

Karla64,

It looks like the Sun is trying to backtrack and make-up for yesterday's "schocking" story about Prince Harry.

Yeah... right....

here the article..

Paper apologies over royal photos..

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/16/uk.royalphotos.reut/index.html

 

[Zonk]

Wow...that was quick of the Sun. Talking about wiping the egg off your face!

 

[TonyaR]

It appears that the war has begun again in the land of the Windsor Tragedy and that the Queen may have to reprimand Clarence House and both it's permanent and temporary occupants. I can only feel real sorry for Lilibet because her life during her rule has been basically scandal free, giving and taking a few incidents. But, her children and their children, especially those standing very near in line to the throne, seem to give that wonderful lady a very stressful reign. Prince Harry and William need to start being on their best behavior at all times. Even thou these photos were in the past, they did finally become today's news. What they do today may come back to haunt them in the future. Let us hope that it doesn't happen during a royal family death, abdication, marriage or ascension to the throne.

HRH Kimetha,
As usual you make sense, you never know when things done in the dark will come to light.
I do believe though, that her grandsons will rally and prove to be worthy young men.

 

[christinacg]

Prince Harry's fury over 'playboy' pictures

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=400789&in_page_id=1770

ok, that photo in the middle of Wills and Harry and the funniest photo taken of them ever!!!

As to the 'controversy', I'm one of those who says, "what the big deal"? He was out with his friends having fun, just joking around and thats why I adore him.

 

[Zonk]

I wonder how long the Sun (and its sister paper) will be able to get away with such nonense. What can the press council do to them? Can they be sanctioned, pay a fine of sorts?

Talk about not checking your sources. I am sure they received a lot of publicity and newspapers were sold as people wanted to check out the pics...but what does the general population think? I mean do they come out looking bad? Or its still just Tabloid garbage? Amazing how in 24 hours the whole thing turned on them.

 

[Avalon]

Well, Sun will apparently get away this time, since Miss Pinkham chose not to sue the Sun, not to bring ‘further embarrassment to the Princes’ (I agree with her on that one, the newspapers would have a real feast, reporting on every tiny detail of the process).
I do think that something must be done about these kind of newspapers. They got away with too much in the past, there must be some limits.

 

[TonyaR]

ok, that photo in the middle of Wills and Harry and the funniest photo taken of them ever!!!

As to the 'controversy', I'm one of those who says, "what the big deal"? He was out with his friends having fun, just joking around and thats why I adore him.

One of the funniest things I've ever seen!! The look on Wills' face is priceless!!

 

[BeatrixFan]

Let's bear in mind Zonk that these are the papers who employ James Whittaker. The only thing likely to be true in their stories is the date at the top of the page.

 

[Elspeth]

At the very least, someone should lose their job over this. It sounded utterly deliberate.

 

[Oppie]

The bottom of the Sun article says that they will make a donation to a charity of Natalies choice. Although I would like to know how much, probably won't put a dent in the sales they made yesterday.

 

[TonyaR]

Let's bear in mind Zonk that these are the papers who employ James Whittaker. The only thing likely to be true in their stories is the date at the top of the page.

LOL BeatrixFan, you are a priceless treasure.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

Even tho this photos are 3 years old, Harry should be made aware that his behaviour is on trial at all times due to the role and position he has in life!

Prince Harry was born into this role. The Charter of Human Rights states that all men are equal and all have an equal right to decide how to live according to their possibilities.

Prince Harry is a millionaire in his own right. He is a British citizen. he is over 21. He can live exactly as he wants to. Why and where should he be on trial? Who's the jury who is superior to him? If he does not want to live like his family wants him to do, he can always go abroad like the Duke of Windsor did.

Who should be the one to "make Harry aware" of something? He is not financed by the public, he has no obligations as he is only the "spare" and does not stand to inherit anything that belongs to the "crown". Okay, he was born with the title of prince but today there is no obligation attached to it other than those accepted out of honour, love of his country and love/commitment to his family. He could live the life of a male Paris Hilton-type playboy and noone could do anything about it except writing articles and complaining in internet forums. So - why bother? Most of the time it's a pleasurable pasttime to follow his tracks and if he changes this way of life, it's up to us to leave him alone.

But who gives one the right to complain about this young man? For me, he has the same right of choosing his own lifestyle as anybody else and is bound only by the law like any other citizen.

 

[BeatrixFan]

Well, I agree with most of what you said Jo, but IMO Harry still has a certain dignity to keep. He can sleep with a one-legged lesbian bus conductress in private for all I care but in public, he's a Prince of the Realm and he represents our Queen and our country. He has to understand that he's above the regular common man and if he starts acting like an ordinary person, what hope is there for the rest of us?

 

[Jo of Palatine]

Well, I agree with most of what you said Jo, but IMO Harry still has a certain dignity to keep. He can sleep with a one-legged lesbian bus conductress in private for all I care but in public, he's a Prince of the Realm and he represents our Queen and our country. He has to understand that he's above the regular common man and if he starts acting like an ordinary person, what hope is there for the rest of us?

Somehow I don't think he will behave like that even in private but so far he has only made some (minor) errors (especially the nazi-thing)in public. Even these show IMHO, that he is a vivid character, not a shy well-behaved nobody. Compared to some of the things grand-daddy Edinburgh loves to utter, he is quite tame in his public appearances....

But - when Harry did what we can see now on these infamous pics, he thought himself to be not "HRH Prince Henry of Wales" but just Harry, a friend of the hostess of a private party. That's the difference - you can't judge IMHO the public personage based on the information you get from his private life. At least not when it comes to partying. It's okay if you expect to see for example a love of telling the truth both in his private and public life, but when it comes to relaxing and partying, there surely can be made allowances for a private behaviour that would be utmost impossible at a formal state dinner. Or so.

 

[BeatrixFan]

I agree with you but he musn't think of himself of "just Harry". Alot rests on the Royal Family. If they lower their standards and behave like commoners then what's the point in it all? That's when it becomes dangerous.

 

[Skydragon]

Prince Harry was born into this role. The Charter of Human Rights states that all men are equal and all have an equal right to decide how to live according to their possibilities........
......... But who gives one the right to complain about this young man? For me, he has the same right of choosing his own lifestyle as anybody else and is bound only by the law like any other citizen.

Well said Jo, he is not hurting anyone, only some of his reputation. I believe that as he gets older, like most young royals, he will settle down, if only slightly!

 

[sophie]

With all due respect that's rubbish. They were too young to see what went on with Diana and bringing her up here is rather low IMO.They are young. They aren't engaged. Nowadays it's usual to have several girlfriends before marriage. In Britain, the divorce rate is rising year on year and it's more than likely that Harry or William will settle down and realise it isn't for them and ditch the old wife and get a new one.

with all due respect that is not rubbish. they were not too young to see what went on with diana. diana said herself that she would cry in the bathroom and william would put tissues under the door, she also said that william was very wise for his age. and there was nothing low about bring her up and i never said anything about them being engaged.

 

[BeatrixFan]

I'd take anything St. Diana said with a pinch of salt dear. As a young boy, I doubt Harry and William sat down and read the Daily Mail, saying to one another, "Shocking news about Mummy, we must never cheat on our wives".