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Old 01-24-2011, 04:12 AM
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Also Julia Dent Grant was Ulysses S. Grant's daughter not his grandaughter. She was later divorced from her titled husband
No, NotAPretender is right; Julia Dent Grant was President's granddaugter, daughter of his firstborn son Frederick Dent Grant & his wife Ida Marie Honore

Here is her biography: Julia Dent Cantacuzène Spiransky-Grant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She had only one paternal aunt, whose name was Ellen. (called Nellie by her family)

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Old 01-24-2011, 02:18 PM
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Exactly. It is her maternal aunt, the sister of her mother, who was Bertha Honore Palmer ( which I think I mentioned in my first post.) Now she was an incredible woman in her own right!

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You are both right. I do apologize. I was thinking of Nellie Grant who was Grant's daughter
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Old 01-24-2011, 04:07 PM
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Not a real person but a fictional character: Cora Levinson of Cincinnati, Countess of Grantham.
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They are currently airing "Downton Abbey" in the US. Cora's fortune helped save Downton Abbey in the late 1880s but now [in the 1910s] the fortune and home will go to a distant cousin because the Earl and Countess have no sons.
Real princesses always wear sleeves so why do we all go for strapless?
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Old 01-24-2011, 04:21 PM
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I'm totally addicted to this show. The fictional Cora is exactly how I would have seen any of the Dollar Princesses in later life. There is a great book (great fun, too!) called "How to Marry a British Lord" which amply covers the period of the Buccaneers.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:15 AM
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Actually, I think Cora is a lot happier in her marriage than a lot of those Dollar Princesses, especially (now that you mention it) considering the fates of the Buccaneers, another group of fictional Dollar Princesses.

The Buccaneers was a novel by Edith Wharton, published posthumously, about nouveau-riche American heiresses marrying into the British Aristocracy. The novel focused on five female American protagonist, but I've only watched the 1995 TV mini-series, which reduced the main characters down to four. Many were based on real life heiresses:
Conchita Closson, Lady Richard Marabel - first of the girls to marry, to Lord Richard , younger son of the Marquess of Brightlingsea. Based on Consuelo Yznaga del Valle, Duchess of Manchester (godmother to Consuelo Vanderbilt).
Virginia St. George, Lady Seadown, later Marchioness of Brightlingsea - marries Lord Seadown, elder son of and later Marquess of Brightlingsea, elder brother of Lord Richard.
Nan St. George, Duchess of Trevenick - sister of Virginia. Based on Consuelo Vanderbilt, Duchess of Marlborough (namesake of the Duchess of Manchester).
Lizzy Elmsworth, Mrs. Hector Robinson - her "stock" (family fortunes) were down so netted the lowest prize, but only character with a happy marriage. Based on Jennie Jerome, Lady Randolph Churchill (mother of Winston Churchill).
Real princesses always wear sleeves so why do we all go for strapless?
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:27 PM
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Well Wallis W. Simpson an American divorcee married Edward VIII and was the reason behind his abdication.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:14 PM
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And to correct Princess Garce of Monaco married high nobility as Monaco's reigning family are princes not kings.
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:08 PM
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And to correct Princess Garce of Monaco married high nobility as Monaco's reigning family are princes not kings.

But prince/ss none the less. Are you higher nobility than Monaco's royal family? HSH Princess Caroline of Monaco, upon her marriage to HRH Prince Ern(e)st August(us) of Hanover in 1999, became HRH Princess Caroline of Hanover, Princess of Monaco.
Your post simply seems derogatory toward the MRF. Or am I 'reading' your post wrong? What other point, except for obvious, are you really implying?
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Old 06-25-2011, 12:38 AM
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I don't think Next Star was being derogatory in the comment at all, just stating a fact. It's Prince Ernst August of Hanover who Caroline married.
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Old 06-25-2011, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Katrianna
I don't think Next Star was being derogatory in the comment at all, just stating a fact. It's Prince Ernst August of Hanover who Caroline married.

I have seen HisRH's spelled various ways, such as HRH Prince Ernst August/Ernest Augustus of Hanover.
You may be correct about Next Star's post. I guess I have read too much into his/her post.
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Old 07-01-2011, 04:59 PM
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NotHRH, I tend to think people who point out that Monaco, or recently Liechtenstein, head of state is not royal as being derogatory. Like somehow they are not as good as the other royals in Europe. BUT it honestly just seems that people who point it out are just stating a fact, and are not trying to be rude or put them down in anyway.
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Old 03-11-2012, 06:05 PM
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HM Queen Geraldine of The Albanians.

Yes to confirm to a much older post, HM Queen Geraldine of The Albanians was half-American and half-Hungarian, born Countess Geraldine Apponyi Nagi-Apponyi 1915-2002.
Countess Geraldine Apponyi married HM King Zog of The Albanians in 1938.

I have posted more detailed and up-to-date information on The Albanian Zogu Royal familty on the Albanian threads in the Other Non-Reigning Royals section.
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Old 03-11-2012, 06:43 PM
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How about Christopher Thomas who is going to marry Ruth Komutale, princess of Toro.

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Ehi Oviasu, an Old Westbury resident who also is a Nigerian princess,�and her college beau, Daniel Kahn of Vermont,�tie the knot in a two-day wedding on Long Island. (May 21, 2011)
And I'm sure these ones have been mentioned but still..

That US-marine that had married Sheikha Meriam Al Khalifa

Queen Noor, Hope Cooke who had married the Crown Prince of Sikkim, Marie Chantal of Greece, Rita Hayworth

And Several others who are mentioned on this site
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:19 PM
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How America's Dollar Princesses married crumbling British aristocracy

Beautiful, vivacious and fabulously wealthy, they were known as the Dollar Princesses. At the end of the 19th century, hundreds of eligible young women turned their backs on America and crossed the Atlantic, with a steely glint in their eyes. The only intention was to snare a member of the British aristocracy. It might all seem terribly crass but, in fact, these were matches made in heaven. In return for receiving titles, the daughters of US millionaires offered fistfuls of much-needed cash.

The women’s huge impact on British life is expected to feature in a Downton Abbey prequel. It will concentrate on the courtship of the character Cora Crawley, the rich American who goes on to marry the Earl of Grantham.

With their vast armies of servants estates like Downton were expensive to run, so the US dollars provided a lifeline. Some of the nation’s most historic country estates were threatened with ruin at the time, because of a depression in agriculture which had halved the value of some fortunes. The American predators also helped shape the future of the aristocracy by providing heirs, including a future Prime Minister, in addition to their money.

During this period, lasting from the 1870s to the outbreak of World War 1, some 350 US heiresses married into the British aristocracy. At today’s values, it’s estimated that they brought with them the equivalent of £1 billion of new world wealth.

Melanie Stafford, of the American Museum in Britain, in Bath, says: 'They came from a different culture and had a very different outlook on life. They were more forward than English women, who were expected to know their place and be seen and not heard. 'The American women were socially confident and competitive. If they had a view they’d make it known, so they could be very good company. There’s no doubt that noses were put out of joint among the English women who might otherwise have got these titles.'

When the women disembarked, often with their mothers in tow to arrange introductions, they’d ingratiate their way into London society by letting it be known they had money. Stafford adds: 'Soirees and musical evenings were held, where the women would be introduced to members of the aristocracy. It was all very hasty and this was like the speed-dating of its time, involving impoverished members of the English aristocracy and wealthy American heiresses. 'They were marriages of convenience, but you have to remember that there was much less emphasis on marrying for love in those days.'

A quarterly publication called The Titled American listed the successfully married ladies, as well as the names of eligible titled bachelors. In 1890, it carried this blatant appeal for a wealthy bride: 'The Marquess of Winchester is the fifteenth Marquess and Premier Marquess in the Peerage of Great Britain. 'He is also the Hereditary Bearer of the Cap of Maintenance. The entailed estates amount to 4,700 acres, yielding an income of $22,000. He is 32 years of age, and a captain of the Coldstream Guards. Family seat: Amport House, Hampshire.'

Inevitably, the American social climbers also faced snobbery here. The sneers, however, were nothing new. Back home there were also divisions in society, which created the entire Dollar Princess phenomenon. In the 1860s a new breed of people began making money in armaments, steel, railroads, the food industry and agricultural machinery. These enterprises made a lot of men very rich, very fast, and they descended on New York. Girls from these backgrounds were considered nouveaux riches by Mrs William Backhouse Astor, who ruled over the list of 400 families admitted into polite New York society.

Another reason why the Americans were able to gain access to the upper classes was the patronage of the playboy Prince of Wales, later to become King Edward V11. He adored the Dollar Princesses and became an unofficial matchmaker. Defending his involvement, he once said: 'American girls are livelier, better educated, and less hampered by etiquette. They are not so squeamish as their English sisters and they are better able to take care of themselves.' The trade of wealth for titles began to dry up when Edward, their champion, died in 1910 and society adopted a less frivolous approach.

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Daughter of a wealthy New York stockbroker, married in 1874 Randolph Churchill, 2nd son of the Duke of Marlborough. The newly-married couple's first son was future Prime Minister Winston Churchill.

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The daughter of a Chicago millionaire, married George Curzon in 1895. Three years later she became Lady Curzon and Vicerine of India when her husband was elevated to a Barony and appointed Viceroy of India.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:00 AM
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I have read Mary Lovell's book on the Churchill's, and she claims that Jenny Jerome was the first one of the Dollar princesses. Sadly her father lost most of his capital shortly after Jennie's marriage and most of her life she had financial troubles.
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Kathleen Elizabeth Walker married Archduke Imre of Austria.
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Hereditary Prince Hubertus of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha married American Kelly Jeanne Rondestvedt
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Chris O'Neill will marry Princess Madeleine in June. I believe he has dual citizenship (US/UK)...

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