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Old 05-19-2011, 10:21 AM
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... private precedence is different and based upon the monoarchs wishes.
I stand corrected. I've done some reading about this Precendence list that the Queen puts out and it's largely however the current reigning Monarch wants to construct it. The Parliament does not involve itself in this Precendence list although Line of succession is another matter entirely. I'd be interested to see the new list if anyone can find it. I have a feeling I'm not going to like what I read even If I understand it and can sympathize on some level.
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Old 05-19-2011, 10:34 AM
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I stand corrected. I've done some reading about this Precendence list that the Queen puts out and it's largely however the current reigning Monarch wants to construct it. The Parliament does not involve itself in this Precendence list although Line of succession is another matter entirely. I'd be interested to see the new list if anyone can find it. I have a feeling I'm not going to like what I read even If I understand it and can sympathize on some level.
The official one doesn't change- but you're right the private one is at discretion of monarch (bet when Charles is King it'll easier like Charles/Camilla, William/Kate, Harry ..no one else ha :) )....The new one should be publicized around the time of Royal Ascot I think ....so we're still waiting but I'm sure once it's out someone on these boards will put it up :) This whole precedence/ranking thing is so fascinating to me too. All I know for 100% is if every I meet royalty I shall curtesy :)
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:46 PM
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From my understanding- The President does not bow to any royals. But in that picture, he wasnt a president, he was a little boy so he was required to bow.
Currently, only citizens (or subjects, in some cases) of countries of which the Queen is Head of State are required to bow or curtsey, although even in the UK this has been relaxed and it is more or less considered a matter of personal choice. Most would consider it bad manners, however, to not do so when meeting (in particular) senior Royals and especially HM.

In modern times, wives (or husbands) of heads-of-state of other countries, the U.S. included, have NEVER been required to bow or curtsey as they are of the same status as their spouse whose office and social position are equal to the Queen's during their duration in office. One touching story: The White House's Etiquette Officer, Angier Biddle Duke looked taken aback at Jackie Kennedy when she curtseyed to the Duke of Edinburgh at the reception following President Kennedy's funeral. She noted his look and commented softly, "Angie, I'm no longer the wife of a head-of-state".
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Old 05-24-2011, 05:59 PM
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Does anyone know if Queen Elizabeths grandchildren curtsey in private to her?
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Old 05-24-2011, 08:35 PM
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Does anyone know if Queen Elizabeths grandchildren curtsey in private to her?
I believe Zara has said they do
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Old 05-25-2011, 01:44 AM
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I believe Zara has said they do
Or more precisely she said she does. But I believe the adult ones all do.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:52 AM
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A woman curtseys to prince Daniel yesterday in Munich.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:58 AM
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That´s just not any woman. It´s Duchess Elizabeth in Bavaria :)
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Old 05-27-2011, 10:42 PM
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Does anyone have a picture of Marie Chantal curtseying?
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Old 05-28-2011, 01:25 AM
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The official one doesn't change- but you're right the private one is at discretion of monarch (bet when Charles is King it'll easier like Charles/Camilla, William/Kate, Harry ..no one else ha :) )....The new one should be publicized around the time of Royal Ascot I think ....so we're still waiting but I'm sure once it's out someone on these boards will put it up :) This whole precedence/ranking thing is so fascinating to me too. All I know for 100% is if every I meet royalty I shall curtesy :)
With all respect, and noting my apparent fondness and high regard for the BRF, I simply do not understand the concept of an American bowing or curtseying to (especially) any and/or all royalty. We fought a war to rid the United States of the concept that one person is above another simply because of birth. While I freely admit that it doesn't always work that way in the US - nonetheless, the principle holds.

I could understand more easily if you had said, "Her Majesty", or "The Duke of Edinburgh" or some Royal in a similar position with a similar record of duty in a different land.

Having said all this, I myself would probably bob my head, ONLY to HM or her consort and simply out of respect for the job she has done. That lady has given her life to her country even more than if she had literally died for it in WWII or any other war. Noting that, I must also mention that I perform the same show of respect to anyone (including fellow Americans or Israelis) I meet to whom I feel a great deal of respect for whatever reasons are applicable to that particular person.

I hope you do not think I am "giving you a hard time" as that is not my intention. It was the generic "royalty" that surprised me from another American. Everyone is certainly entitled to his or her viewpoint and as long as YOU are comfortable with it - then who am I to even comment? But E.A. of Hanover came to mind with the generic "Royalty" aspect of your post and I can't even imagine his "subjects" bowing to him!

I sincerely wish you get your chance to curtsey to a great Royal, such as HM, or whomever you are interested in particularly :")
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Old 06-02-2011, 05:03 PM
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Look like Queen Beatrix, but it isn't her
That is Queen Elizabeth II from the back.
And upon me meeting royalty rather reigning and non reigning I would nod instead of bowing or curtseying that is still a sign of a respect though it is different I'm still showing respect to their postions.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:21 PM
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I hope you do not think I am "giving you a hard time" as that is not my intention. It was the generic "royalty" that surprised me from another American. Everyone is certainly entitled to his or her viewpoint and as long as YOU are comfortable with it - then who am I to even comment? But E.A. of Hanover came to mind with the generic "Royalty" aspect of your post and I can't even imagine his "subjects" bowing to him!
Lol- I should probably have said a royal family member I respect, not the generic royalty.....

I get why some Americans think bowing shouldn't be done but as an American I think it is within my rights to do as I please if I want to- freedom! Now that's pretty American right? :)

No offense taken- I respect others right to refrain from bowing/curtesying as I expect them to respect mine to do so (and for me it's prob a personal thing bc I love and hold an interest in most Royalty) !
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Old 06-09-2011, 04:04 AM
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Here is a video of MC curtseying at her wedding at 1:18.

YouTube - ‪CONSTANTINE...A King's Story...Part.: 01‬‏

Her curtsey seems to be very quick.
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Old 06-10-2011, 04:26 PM
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Old 06-10-2011, 04:37 PM
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Currently, only citizens (or subjects, in some cases) of countries of which the Queen is Head of State are required to bow or curtsey, although even in the UK this has been relaxed and it is more or less considered a matter of personal choice. Most would consider it bad manners, however, to not do so when meeting (in particular) senior Royals and especially HM.

In modern times, wives (or husbands) of heads-of-state of other countries, the U.S. included, have NEVER been required to bow or curtsey as they are of the same status as their spouse whose office and social position are equal to the Queen's during their duration in office. One touching story: The White House's Etiquette Officer, Angier Biddle Duke looked taken aback at Jackie Kennedy when she curtseyed to the Duke of Edinburgh at the reception following President Kennedy's funeral. She noted his look and commented softly, "Angie, I'm no longer the wife of a head-of-state".

Jackie had exquisite manners, and the Office of Protocol under the Kennedy Administration was, in my opinion the most polished and sophisticated of any American President.

She even had her children's nanny teaching them the correct way to greet diplomats, Royalty etc...and they were practically toddlers during the Administration!
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Old 06-10-2011, 04:56 PM
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Orders of Precedence

Since I have no etiquette specialist in Missouri; unless otherwise directed in premeeting I follow this simple rule..... "Age before beauty and blood before title, merit before companion, female before male in couples and of course hostess always serves guests first. Bow for everyone and curtsy as straightly and deeply as possible. If the HRH appears, take a knee."

I have been looking for a list of precedence for familial heritage. As a member of many houses, I am often uncertain which to list, why and how. Without an official title card it makes it a wonder. Most of the time I am just Suzannah in America.

And please note that in different countries rules at the table are very different. Do not set your silver down in most countries until finish with the meal. In america, you can and you can even use your hands to hold foods like fries.
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Here is a video of MC curtseying at her wedding at 1:18.

YouTube - ‪CONSTANTINE...A King's Story...Part.: 01‬‏

Her curtsey seems to be very quick.

Seeing how gracious and warm the bride and groom were having to bow and kiss and bow again over and over all afternoon...I cannot help but be impressed!

An everyone knew WHO to bow to, and when a simple kiss on the cheek would suffice...impressive indeed!
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On this video we can see The Countess of Wessex curtseying on 1:41.

Video: Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on parade at Garter Day procession - Telegraph
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On this video we can see The Countess of Wessex curtseying on 1:41.

Video: Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on parade at Garter Day procession - Telegraph
Prince's Edward and William can be seen bowing their heads at the same time.
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Old 06-21-2011, 01:35 AM
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TIH the Crown Princess, the Prince & the Princess Akishino bowing to HIH the Crown Prince Naruhito as seeing him off to Germany on June 21st, 2011.
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