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Old 11-12-2005, 09:13 AM
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This is what I mean.
Might be nearing the time to close this thread.
OKAY PEOPLE! Everyone should stop talking about living people! How would YOU like it if people were speaking, in public, about your sexuality? Just because they are famous doesn't give us any right to discuss their sexuality.

We can talk about their lives, marriages, girlfriends, even boyfriends if they do come out, but this talk could be seen as downright cruel by some.
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Old 11-12-2005, 10:07 AM
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When I was reading these pages, I just told myself: «how intolerant we all are, despite all our claims about being civilised and adult and open-minded»!

Even those of us who claim to be “tolerant” just can’t help making some harmless jokes about the sexuality of these people, who have no more signs of being gay than the fact they might be good-looking, sensitive and single (or even not!!) guys. I’ve heard that kind of comments towards every public man (from politicians, to actors, royals etc.) who happen to be nothing more that… exactly… good-looking and nice and single men.
Is there, by chance, any connection between these two premises? Can’t be any gay who happens to be ugly and rough?

And, on the other hand, what if they were actually gay? Of course in the case of royalty, there’s always the problem of the institution being based on marriage and succession, so it would be a problem indeed. But what about all the other public figures? If they’re gay or not it’s not our business! How would we all feel, if we had to bear those joking comments and they were after all… true?

I don’t really expect an answer to this digression of mine (and I’m sorry if I just went off-topic), but I just think we all should have sometimes the ability to put ourselves in some one else’s shoes, before saying any mean comment…
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Old 11-12-2005, 10:19 AM
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Expecting any answer or not Elsa, I must agree with you.

I think some people consider themselves tolerant, but then they make horrible jokes, and prove their tolerance isn't something they really or always feel, or it's something they feel compelled to feel, but don't really feel.

I am tolerant, more that tolerant really, I just don't have any bad opinions about gay people, to me they are just people like any one of us, and I've never made any insulting or hurtful jokes in my life, and I can say that with all honesty. My family never raised me to be intolerant, and they (and now I) wouldn't stand any such behaviour or comments.

Here we seem to be judging people on appearances, which seems to be proving us wrong in other areas of life, so why not someone's sexulity too?

I think this topic has proven that we judge people on appearances and gossip rather than who they are, I mean focusing on sexuality is very superficial IMO, even though that comment undermines this entire thread!
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Old 11-12-2005, 11:05 AM
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If I were gay, I think I'd find it insulting if others thought it harmful or insulting to wonder if another person was gay like me. It seems still that calling someone gay is considered an insult.

I don't like unfounded speculation either but on the other hand, it seems OK to speculate without any clues about who a young man's first girlfriend will be. I can't help but feel a strong double standard.

Sorry if I offended anyone but I had to get that off my chest.
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Old 11-13-2005, 10:05 AM
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I was not trying to judge or make a bad comment when I asked if there were rumors going around England about Prince William. I was talking to a couple from England about their Royal Family. They bought up this rumor about William. I was just asking them about Camilla and they bought up William. It does not matter to me rather William is gay or not. I just wanted to know if these types of stories were circulating in England. The couple were senior citizens, so I thought it was strange that they would mention such a thing about William. I am sorry if I upset anyone by asking if these stories were circulating. I was not asking if they were true or not. I just found it odd to hear such a thing coming out of the mouths of older Britons. Please forgive if I upset any of you.
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Old 11-13-2005, 12:49 PM
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I just wanted to know if these types of stories were circulating in England. .
Not to my knowledge!:)
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Old 11-14-2005, 06:52 AM
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I was not trying to judge or make a bad comment when I asked if there were rumors going around England about Prince William. I was talking to a couple from England about their Royal Family. They bought up this rumor about William. I was just asking them about Camilla and they bought up William. It does not matter to me rather William is gay or not. I just wanted to know if these types of stories were circulating in England. The couple were senior citizens, so I thought it was strange that they would mention such a thing about William. I am sorry if I upset anyone by asking if these stories were circulating. I was not asking if they were true or not. I just found it odd to hear such a thing coming out of the mouths of older Britons. Please forgive if I upset any of you.
Warren just assumed you were 'outing' him! We have to choose our words carefully around here!
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:09 AM
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The problem is the labels that people adopt. I mean, a past boyfriend of mine was actually straight. Or so he said. The fact that he was 'stepping out' with a chap meant nothing. He often said that for him, it wasn't about a man or a woman but it was about loving someone. The swine dumped me for a woman so draw your own conclusion but as you see, the label 'gay' could have been applied to him (and it was sometimes) but he wasn't. If William has a dalliance with a footman does that make him gay? Or does it make him bisexual? Instead of popping a label on to someone, I think it's more important to look at the relationship. They used to say 'The Duke of Kent is exceedinly bent' in reference to Prince George but in fact, he was bisexual. Or was he?
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:20 AM
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Warren just assumed you were 'outing' him! We have to choose our words carefully around here!
No, I wasn't concerned with "outing" Prince William because there is nothing whatsoever to suggest he is gay. "Outing" refers to revealing someone as gay before they have chosen to publicly reveal the fact themselves.

I was exasperated, however, with this sort of rubbishy gossip being posted in this thread. We could go through a list of every single good-looking (or otherwise) prince in Europe and say "someone told me he is gay." What would be the point? There was no intention for this thread to become a "who is? who isn't?" or vehicle to air unfounded rumour and gossip.

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Old 11-14-2005, 07:26 AM
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I really thought this discussion was about who, in the past, was gay and how it affected or influenced their jobs. But, it really hasn't been about that at all!
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I have read many stories about King Ludwig of Bavaria....he had his desires for the men.
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I have read many stories about King Ludwig of Bavaria....he had his desires for the men.
Yes, there have been many stories. For instance, his infatuation with Wagner is quite well known. There is an amussing anecdote about the Bavarian PM coming to the palace in search of the King at a critical political time only to find ludwig playing dress-up with the Prince of Taxis und Thurn...
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You mean Prince von Thurn und Taxis?
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I have read many stories about King Ludwig of Bavaria....he had his desires for the men.
And he refused to marry, didn't he, though he quite adored his cousin Elizabeth of Austria. (which is NOT an indication of anything, BTW. Just a fact)
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:10 PM
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There was that book....Treasury of Royal Scandals...which talked a great deal about that.
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Old 11-14-2005, 05:23 PM
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You mean Prince von Thurn und Taxis?
You are being overly pedantic. In any case, I meant what I wrote. Although Thurn und Taxis is the proper name, members are often referred to as Taxis und Thurn. Same meaning. Speaking of T & T,the late Furst was a alleged to be an open homosexual, and it is quite well known that he he married Gloria of Schonburg-Glauchau to produce an heir.
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and it is quite well known that he he married Gloria of Schonburg-Glauchau to produce an heir.
A strategy that did work well.
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And he refused to marry, didn't he, though he quite adored his cousin Elizabeth of Austria. (which is NOT an indication of anything, BTW. Just a fact)
It was a totally plutonic kind of fondness. They were both rather...eccentric...and would send each other letters across the river/creek in bottles, IIRC. It's been a long time, and I will have to pull out Greg King's book to verify this. With regards to marriage, the Empress Marria Feodorovna (wife of Alexander II) wrote to a correspondent that King Ludwig didn't even know where babies came from.
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I like to use the Kinsey scale. Some men are gay, some straight and some bi. There is a possibility for everything. I myslef am a bit of a free lover and am attracted to both men and women. I dont think William is gay. If he was his family would probably know about it and they would be grooming Harry instead. Also William promised Harry he would never renounce his rights to the throne or abdicate. He assured Harry he would not give him the burden.
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A strategy that did work well.
Yes, a male heir was produced after two daughters. I guess whatever the case, the arrangement benefited them both. The late Furst's (alleged) reasons for marrying Gloria might explain her odd remarks a few years ago in an interview about how people should only ever have sex to procreate.
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