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Old 12-17-2017, 02:37 PM
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I miss her too, very much. The simple dignity and humility of this grand woman was never faked..it was the essential Fabiola. It showed not only in her reluctance to wear Orders even though no one would have looked askance at her if she did-she was a born noblewoman AND a Queen after all- it was also demonstrated by her Funeral Mass...no honors, no orders, no Coat of Arms on display.

She was wise enough to know that at the end none of the things of this world matter...we brought nothing into the world and we will take nothing out.

I don't think we will see the likes of Fabiola Mora y Aragon, Queen of the Belgians again for a very long while.


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Old 12-17-2017, 02:40 PM
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I'm really hopeful that in a year or two, we might hear talk of a possible cause for canonisation for King Baudouin and Queen Fabiola. Cardinal Daneels has said this absolutely wont happen but I'd like to think that in time there would be a rethink of this.
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I agreed. Hopefully Cardinal Daneels has a change of heart.
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Old 12-17-2017, 02:43 PM
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I agreed. Hopefully Cardinal Daneels has a change of heart.
Realistically it doesn't need the Cardinal's approval of course. Any Bishop with the authority over a diocese where the veneration exists, and who believes the cause to be worthy of examination, can recommend a cause to be opened by the Vatican.
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Old 12-17-2017, 03:00 PM
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Cardinal Daneels said at our TV short after King Baudouin's passed away that nothing was open in Rome about his Beatification..In Belgium we all know why, but I may not written it on this board.
For Queen Fabiola Cardinal Van Kessel never spoke about it.
There is a Demand for Beatification of Empress Zita since years with no succes .
Always Beatification before Canonisation !!
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Old 12-17-2017, 03:02 PM
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Cardinal Daneels said at our TV short after King Baudouin's passed away that nothing was open in Rome about his Beatification..In Belgium we all know why, but I may not written it on this board.
For Queen Fabiola Cardinal Van Kessel never spoke about it.
There is a Demand for Beatification of Empress Zita since years with no succes .
I'd be really interested to know why it wouldn't be possible for any cause to be opened for Baudouin. But then it would depend if there was a local cause with enough of a presence to be taken seriously. Emperor Karl's cause only seems to be progressing because there's a very committed grass roots cause for it which possibly doesn't exist for Zita, Fabiola or Baudouin.
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Cardinal Daneels said at our TV short after King Baudouin's passed away that nothing was open in Rome about his Beatification..In Belgium we all know why, but I may not written it on this board.
For Queen Fabiola Cardinal Van Kessel never spoke about it.
There is a Demand for Beatification of Empress Zita since years with no succes .
Always Beatification before Canonisation !!
Is this related to the year 1990? A simple yes or no is all that I need.
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Old 02-08-2018, 03:40 PM
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It was said that the Vatican researched the life of the late king and figured out that it wasn't all saintly.

In 1962 the king refused to pardon the Greek hitman Georges
Kageorgis. Mr. Kageorgis was subsequently put to death as he had received the death penalty (in -then- Belgian Burundi). A practice that was already abolished in Belgium itself.

The king also knew about the murder plot against Patrice Lumumba (first prime minister of the independent Congo) and did nothing. His silence was considered 'tacid approval' of the murder, according to the sociologist Ludo de Witte.
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Old 02-08-2018, 03:48 PM
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Cardinal Danneels has officiated at many of the Belgian Royal Weddings/Baptisms and Funerals but was he on good terms with King Baudouin?
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Old 02-08-2018, 04:14 PM
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It was said that the Vatican researched the life of the late king and figured out that it wasn't all saintly.

In 1962 the king refused to pardon the Greek hitman Georges
Kageorgis. The king also knew about the murder plot against Patrice Lumumba (first prime minister of the independent Congo) and did nothing. His silence was considered 'tacid approval' of the murder, according to the sociologist Ludo de Witte.

Thank you for this information Marengo. I very much admired Baudouin-still do in fact-but I have never considered him a saint even though I think there were elements of saintliness in the way he confronted the tragedies and setbacks of his life. I obviously didn't know him but I am almost 100% certain he did not consider himself a saint at all, and an attempt at canonization would probably have horrified him.

Queen Fabiola felt the same way about herself.

In any case, I always suspected deep inside that the Holy See's decision not to consider canonization proceedings had something to do with the unseemly rumors about Baudouin and his step-mother the Princess de Rethy which continue to this day. I am happy to know that this is not the case.
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There is a Demand for Beatification of Empress Zita since years with no succes .
In fact, on 10 December 2009, Mgr Yves Le Saux, Bishop of Le Mans, France, opened the diocesan process for the beatification of Empress Zita:


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Old 02-08-2018, 04:26 PM
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Genuine curiosity: why would one want a canonisation of K.Baudouin?
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Old 02-08-2018, 05:43 PM
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As I posted, there were characteristics of saintliness in Baudouin's personality. Reading available material on him, including excerpts from his private diaries, there can be no doubt about his deep faith and his intense love for the Lord.

He accepted any and all adversity in his life as God's will and put his complete trust in Him, which is the essence of saintliness but....Baudouin was no saint as he probably would be the first to agree.
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Don't mix Empress Zita and King Baudouin.
In France Catholics wanted since years a beatification for Empress Zita also .
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The heritage of Queen Fabiola in Spain

https://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial...tasma_1612410/

https://translate.googleusercontent....ED6TqZEoF93tLg


The mystery of the Villa Astrida

https://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial...otril_1612184/

https://translate.googleusercontent....olV65tUHyMMp-g


The story of Baudouin with Fabiola. And how the matchmaking with Infanta Pilar did not work

https://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial...biola_1612300/

https://translate.googleusercontent....CP06cDpQmeHGkw
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Old 09-07-2018, 06:03 PM
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I love this couple and I love their story. There is something...innocent, romantic and melancholy about it all at the same time.

They seemed truly fated to be together.

Thanks eya.
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The Infanta Pilar would have been far too bossy as queen of the Belgians I would never have paired her with King Baudouin
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Thanks! Wasn't it somewhat unexpected in Fabiola's time for a woman who was a member of a very well-heeled noble family to work a regular job as a nurse in addition to her charity pursuits? I am sure King Baudouin appreciated her social commitment.
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Genuine curiosity: why would one want a canonisation of K.Baudouin?
I cant see why not, if he was a good man and fit the criteria for sainthood. Its pretty rare for a king to have that sort of virtue.. so it would be wonderful if one did...
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But a miracle through his intercession should happen in order to start the beatification process
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