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Old 08-08-2015, 04:57 AM
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The nature of the relationship he had with the mothers, and the way the mothers have chosen to live their lives since giving birth to Albert's children, is irrelevant. It is the children we are talking about here. Albert is their father. His elder son and daughter are his children just as much as his two new babies are, and, thus, are must as much a part of his family as they are, whether he, or anyone else, likes it or not. Their lack of "legitimate" status means they cannot inherit any of the incidents of Albert's princely status, but they are his children nevertheless, and they should not be held in any lesser regard than those to whom his wife gave birth after his marriage.

The princely incidents aside they would both be entitled to a considerable part of their fathers fortune legitimate or not legitimate.


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Old 08-08-2015, 06:17 AM
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Dutch gossip press reports today that P.Albert has invited his children Jazmin and Alexandre to a holiday in Monaco
Albert haalt voorechtelijke kinderen naar Monaco|Prive| Telegraaf.nl

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Old 08-08-2015, 06:17 AM
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I don't think they are held in lesser regard. They just aren't part of his official life. He has a relationship with them.
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They were not born "from affairs" - Albert was a single man when Jazmin and Alexandre were conceived and born. They have nothing to do with Charlene and she knew about them before she married Albert.

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Old 08-08-2015, 01:19 PM
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Dutch gossip press reports today that P.Albert has invited his children Jazmin and Alexandre to a holiday in Monaco
Albert haalt voorechtelijke kinderen naar Monaco|Prive| Telegraaf.nl

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How do they know P Charlene is "furious" about their visit? What do they base this on? Jazmin has just recently indicated that P Charlene has welcomed her and acted warmly towards her.


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Old 08-08-2015, 01:21 PM
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They were not born "from affairs" - Albert was a single man when Jazmin and Alexandre were conceived and born. [...]
Since the Prince never had any familial or parental relationship with Ms Rotolo (a married lady at the time) or Ms Coste, we indeed may file all this under the A of "affair".
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Old 08-08-2015, 01:43 PM
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Exactly Roslyn. And any man/woman who would push their children aside for someone else is deserving of no respect.


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Old 08-08-2015, 01:53 PM
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How do they know P Charlene is "furious" about their visit? What do they base this on? Jazmin has just recently indicated that P Charlene has welcomed her and acted warmly towards her.
imho that's just something they came up with to get a more juicy story..

but i do like (if it's true ofcourse, you never know) that Jazmin and Alexandre can spemd time in Monaco and with the Grimaldi family
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Old 08-08-2015, 02:37 PM
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They were not born "from affairs" - Albert was a single man when Jazmin and Alexandre were conceived and born. They have nothing to do with Charlene and she knew about them before she married Albert.

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Given as Jazmin's mother was married to another man at the time of her birth/conception, she is the result of an affair.
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The nature of the relationship he had with the mothers, and the way the mothers have chosen to live their lives since giving birth to Albert's children, is irrelevant. It is the children we are talking about here. Albert is their father. His elder son and daughter are his children just as much as his two new babies are, and, thus, are must as much a part of his family as they are, whether he, or anyone else, likes it or not. Their lack of "legitimate" status means they cannot inherit any of the incidents of Albert's princely status, but they are his children nevertheless, and they should not be held in any lesser regard than those to whom his wife gave birth after his marriage.
Not lesser regard, exactly.
But his older children were the result of casual flings, while his twins are the royal heirs from his marriage to his consort.
So, in that regard there is a difference.

I'm sure he cares for all his children, but to have his older children at public events might be uncomfortable for everyone, since the press is certain to make a big deal over it.
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Old 08-08-2015, 03:13 PM
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They were not born "from affairs" - Albert was a single man when Jazmin and Alexandre were conceived and born. They have nothing to do with Charlene and she knew about them before she married Albert.

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A married woman(as both Tamara Rotolo and Nicole Coste were) who sleeps with a man not her husband is having an illicit affair with him. Children resulted from these adulterous affairs. Albert was a single man but Tamara and Nicole were both technically married to other men and separated from them.

In other words....they were having AFFAIRS with Albert.

Any ruler's official family includes his legal wife and their children. Period.

Royal history is rife with the examples of children that resulted from affairs. Sometimes these children were awarded titles, lavish estates, etc, and sometimes they were simply ignored to fend for themselves.

Albert's children live in considerable luxury and even Nicole Coste admitted that he had been a doting father to Eric. He doesn't see Eric as regularly because the child lives in England.

Jazmin and Eric are neither abused, ignored, nor neglected.

If outsiders are not satisfied with this arrangement and need to see Eric and Jazmin take on a more prominent public role to satisfy their own concept of what is "right" in this situation, it's not Albert's problem nor Charlene's.
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Old 08-08-2015, 03:14 PM
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Prince Albert said that he will receive his older children in the interview of people magazine
Jazmin said in her interview that she has good relation with Charlene and Albert that she have barbecue together with Alexandre at roc Agel like, we know that Albert saw hie older children


The king Albert of belgium never recognized her daughter Delphine , he has a process with her


Prince bernard of Netherlands said in a tape before his death , this tape was publisged after his death that he had two daughters with two different wifes. We know that Prince Bernhard saw them and they were received by queen Juliana but we never saw these daughters in public, never saw a photos of them, her daughters did not attend the funeral of Prince Bernhard.Queen Beatrice and her sisters would not want that they attend to the funeral of thir father.
The daughters of Prince Bernhard were part of his privat life, her daughters never complained and were discret
The royal family of Netherland was the daughters that prince Bernhard had with the gueen Juliana and they were not part of the official royal family.
It is the same thing in Monaco, Albert recogniezd his two children he provides for them, he saw them. What do you want more?
To see them together to be sure that he loves his children. it is very vicious.
Albert is an fair man, he is the only royal who recognized his children.
The prince of Parme, the son of princess irene had an illegitimat son , he recognized him but we never saw him at family events of the royal family , he was not at the wedding of his father and nor to the christenings of her half sisters?
If these royals never show their children in official events, why would Albert do it?He already did a lot, he said that he saw his children but it seems not enough. and it gives salt to the tabloid like the dutch tabloid who says that Charlene was furious? How do they know? the family is living in Roc Agel.
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Old 08-08-2015, 03:29 PM
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Old 08-08-2015, 04:16 PM
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The comparison with the daughters of Prince Bernhard indeed is a good one. For Alexia Lejeune Grinda and her mother the Prince purchased a luxe penthouse at the Avenue Raphaël (in the 16e arrondissement in Paris, looking out on the Jardin du Ranelagh, close to Trocadéro and the Bois de Boulogne). Yes, she had no public contact with the Prince but in an interview in the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf in 2004 her halfbrother Cyril, 7e baron Lejeune told: "My sister Alexia always could rely on the warm attention of her father. The Prince was a good man, both for Alexia as well for my mother. He regularly visited them and cared for their wellbeing. Both feel deep sadness for his passing-away."

According the Baron, the 37-years old Alexia visited Soestdijk Palace last weekend to say farewell to her father and was received with great respect: "Alexia loved her father to bits. She is devastated by his death. For her he was a doting and loving father. That he coincidentally was a royal prince was not important for her."

According the half-brother both Alexia, his mother and some good friends headed for a foreign country after the visit to the palace. The new media hunt on Prince Bernhard's extramarital daughter and the speculations about her role in the royal family became too much for her. "If it depends on Alexia, no one will ever hear any word anymore. All stories about Alexia demanding her place in the royal family are pure nonsense. The only thing she longs for is to be left alone" said Cyril Lejeune. That Alexia was not welcome at the royal funeral has not hit her. "She had all understanding of the world for that. Her attendance would possibly have stirred an undesirable large media-attention and possibly caused unrest. That is the last what Prince Bernhard and Alexia would have wanted."

After the death of the Prince, both Alicia de Bielefelde as well Alexia Lejeune Grinda equally shared in their father's inheritance with their four royal halfsisters.
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Well, let's just say it would be nice if all P.Albert's children turn out to have a better relationship with eachother than P.Bernhard's children had/have
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The case of Albert of Belgium's daughter is a good example(to me) of an illegitimate child being treated cruelly and unfairly. Albert simply cut the girl and her mother off without a backward glance. He denies her very existence.

Albert of Monaco's relationship with Jazmin and Eric is a night/day comparison with former King Albert. Delphine Boel has every reason to be bitter imo.

Jazmin and Eric and their mothers do not.
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Dutch gossip press reports today that P.Albert has invited his children Jazmin and Alexandre to a holiday in Monaco
Albert haalt voorechtelijke kinderen naar Monaco|Prive| Telegraaf.nl

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It would be nice if this were true, but somehow I doubt it is. It would be too awkward for Charlene for them both to be there, especially now that she has Jacques and Gabriella. And I've heard that Albert isn't much in touch with Alexandre, so it seems a bit odd for him to suddenly invite him to Monaco to stay (unless it was a sort of "bonding holiday"...).

I read in the earlier pages of this thread that Alexandre and his mother Nicole live in a villa in Villefranche-sur-Mer, does anyone know if they still live there?
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Jazmin said in the interview that she was invited to the christening of the twins and she has good relations with Charlene, Why to say that Charlene does not want to receive the children of Albert at home?


Here is the interview of Albert to people where he is speaking about the visit of Jazmin and Alexandre


http://www.people.com/people/package...htmlhereditary prince


hereditary princess some resders already said that Nicole Costes moved with her son to London. they lived now in London
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As a Belgian and loving King Albert, I think he should have recognized Delphine now BUt the fact that he clearly shows he doesn't want her (cruel but his right) and that she goes to the tribunals IMO shows that maybe she is interested in money. I mean what is the use to do that otherwise ? You cannot oblige someone to love and accept you.
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A married woman(as both Tamara Rotolo and Nicole Coste were) who sleeps with a man not her husband is having an illicit affair with him. Children resulted from these adulterous affairs. Albert was a single man but Tamara and Nicole were both technically married to other men and separated from them.

In other words....they were having AFFAIRS with Albert.
If the women were married to other men and separated from them, I don't regard them as having affairs with Albert, at least not capital "A" affairs. But I am a lot less bothered about adultery than a lot of people, and I don't even consider it adultery if the couple has separated.

But regardless of their mother's situations at the time they were conceived, these children are Albert's as much as his legitimate children are, and are part of his family.

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Official family, yes. But that's just a construct arising from the social construct of marriage. In these days where about 40% of children in EU countries are born out of wedlock, increasing to over 50% in some countries, illegitimacy is not the social stigma it was even 30 years ago. The various pieces of equal rights/equal status legislation, including the European Convention on the Legal Status of Children Born out of Wedlock, have done away with the legal discrimination against ex-nuptial children.

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Royal history is rife with the examples of children that resulted from affairs. Sometimes these children were awarded titles, lavish estates, etc, and sometimes they were simply ignored to fend for themselves.

Albert's children live in considerable luxury and even Nicole Coste admitted that he had been a doting father to Eric. He doesn't see Eric as regularly because the child lives in England.

Jazmin and Eric are neither abused, ignored, nor neglected.
The fact that illegitimate children of Royal men were treated poorly in the past is irrelevant. There is no reason why, in these days when most of the discriminatory rules and/or laws which used to apply to illegitimate children have been removed, a child born out of wedlock to an extremely wealthy man should live in considerable luxury. That is their right, not a privilege, and the father should not be praised for complying with his legal obligations.

I should jolly well nope that neither Jazmin nor Eric is abused, ignored, nor neglected.

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If outsiders are not satisfied with this arrangement and need to see Eric and Jazmin take on a more prominent public role to satisfy their own concept of what is "right" in this situation, it's not Albert's problem nor Charlene's.
Subject to the qualifier that different members here may have different definitions of "public role", I don't think anyone here has suggested that the older children should take on a more prominent public role. The public nature of the role of Albert's "official" children is one of the burdens of their position, not a benefit.
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