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Old 08-07-2004, 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by ReinaMissy@Aug 7th, 2004 - 10:09 am
What I find so appalling is that I've seen people complain on this board about those who bash the Princess of Asturias at every turn on another chat board, yet apparently it's okay if you all rag on someone. Admittedly, they do come across as extremely shallow and nobody disputes your right to express your distaste, but let's not throw stones at others who do the same thing toward someone else.

That's rather hypocritical, isn't it?
As long as I've been a member of LTR, I've never "bashed" anyone before ~ until this morning when I agreed with at least 5 other posters on the conduct of MC if you call that "bashing". Most of it was simply "echoes" of what others had the courage to say. It was my "lack of courage" which kept me quiet about my feelings regarding MC.

I happen to like the Princess of Asturias ~ check out my posts ~ and am very impressed on how well she is carrying out her duties and there's not one reason, in my mind, to "bash" her at all.

Plus, I rarely go to any other message board other than this one, primarily on the weekends, because I simply don't have the time so I really don't know what you're implying by calling me "hypocritical", however, you have the right to express your opinions although misplaced regarding this matter .. AND, I have never "bashed" another poster. I express my opinions on the "subjects" put forth on this board ~ and not other participants ~ ergo, there's no "stone throwing" by me.

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Old 08-07-2004, 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by ceci+Aug 7th, 2004 - 10:56 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ceci @ Aug 7th, 2004 - 10:56 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Elizajane@Aug 7th, 2004 - 8:51 am


I, too, am just sick to death with their splashy magazine spreads. I simply stopped buying those rags which continually show off their lifestyle.&nbsp; I&#39;ve always wondered if the magazines call them OR if MC calls the magazines, setting up times to be photographed
If you visit MC website http://www.mariechantal.com/ you can see she loves to show all the articles about her, even if they are not talking about her label.
I think she is spoiled and her father gives her everything she wants: a prince, a royal family, a succesful clothing line, etc....... [/b][/quote]
Oh, Ceci&#33; Where did you find that website? Yep, it&#39;s typical ~ just like I thought. I wonder what flavor those pink cupcakes were ~ cherry or strawberry?? Ha&#33;

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Old 08-07-2004, 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by ReinaMissy@Aug 7th, 2004 - 10:09 am
What I find so appalling is that I&#39;ve seen people complain on this board about those who bash the Princess of Asturias at every turn on another chat board, yet apparently it&#39;s okay if you all rag on someone. Admittedly, they do come across as extremely shallow and nobody disputes your right to express your distaste, but let&#39;s not throw stones at others who do the same thing toward someone else.

That&#39;s rather hypocritical, isn&#39;t it?
I&#39;ve never bashed anyone on this board or any other.

I happen to like the Princess of Asturias a great deal. Honestly, she seems to be a real woman with a past and a history which is something that I can relate to. Maybe that makes her too common for some, but that makes her absolutely wonderful to me. So, there goes that part of your theory.

To my knowledge, no one here has tried to stop anyone is this fourm from having an opinion about MC or any other member of the GRF. It seems that many of us have varying opinions and they have all been respected. Until your post was made ReinaMissy, everyone seemed to be coexisting and stating their ideas quite nicely.

No one here is ragging on anyone and I have to say that my fellow posters have been very objective and respectful in giving their statements. I know what ragging and bashing is and although one board in particular in known for it, I haven&#39;t seen it around here that often.

Everyone here has a right to state his or her opinion. An intelligent person will most likely state it in a civilized and dignified manner and back up their beliefs with examples. I have seen lots of this concerning the topic at hand.

We all have a right to like or dislike whomever we please and we can&#39;t be faulted for that. We also have the right to not actually dislike someone but to be able to say what is bothering us about that individual in the moment and not be made to feel like children and scolded for it.

It&#39;s not as if everyone here is saying MC is the worst thing since Lucifer himself or saying: MC, Ugh&#33; I hate the trash&#33; I hate her&#33; I hate her&#33; She&#39;s awful&#33; Just a waste of human flesh....

Nope...no one has said anything of the kind.
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Old 08-07-2004, 01:59 PM
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My post wasn&#39;t addressed to you alone, Elizajane. Considering that you mentioned above me that you often don&#39;t speak out for fear of people like me taking you task for it :P I wouldn&#39;t think that you&#39;re being unfair.

I don&#39;t recall who it was that posted those things about another board, but several people were trashing a group that constantly rags on Letizia (I&#39;m not a huge fan of hers, but I don&#39;t bash her, either).

I myself find constant trashing of any royal tiresome. Unless it&#39;s Ernst August of Hanover :P
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Old 08-07-2004, 02:08 PM
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Gigi, try reading my first post again, where I clearly stated that nobody disputes your right to post your opinion.

I needn&#39;t be reminded of that B)
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Old 08-07-2004, 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by ReinaMissy@Aug 7th, 2004 - 1:08 pm
Gigi, try reading my first post again, where I clearly stated that nobody disputes your right to post your opinion.

I needn&#39;t be reminded of that B)
You clearly disputed many of our rights and do not tell me to reread something as though anyone who can only attack individuals for their opinions can be that deep. You are not that deep and though you try to disguise your feelings, I understood them quite well.

You began by saying that we all have a righ to show our distaste, but let&#39;s not throw stones. Well clearly if we are showing our distaste the we will say things that some may find to be negative especially if they favor that person. Now, isn&#39;t that hypocritical. Say what you like, but if you do, you may be throwing stones?

What you need to learn is that whether you agree with someone&#39;s opinons or not, you must learn to agree to disagree whether you favor the person or not. That is the world of royal boards, now isn&#39;t it?
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Old 08-07-2004, 02:48 PM
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Thank you Gigi for standing for all of us who have "allegedly" bashed HRH Princess Marie-Chantal of Greece.

Since it seems that I am the one responsible for subsequent posts which have also "chimed" in on the bashing, let me say that in my post I don&#39;t feel that I said anything that is against the forum rules here. I do not care for Marie-Chantal or all the media shoots she and Pavlos engage their family in, and I feel that I said as much but in a very diplomatic manner. I did not call her or Pavlos nasty names, resort to swearing or any such negative, rude tactics. I merely questioned why this couple felt they needed to be in so many magazine shoots and felt that they were over exposed in my opionon. If that is throwing stones, then so be it. But I&#39;d look down at your own hands and you&#39;d see that you are throwing stones at us for having our negative opinons of Marie-Chantal.

One doesn&#39;t need to agree with my opinons of Marie-Chantal. I am honestly surprised that so many did agree with my opinons. But if you do disagree, then by all means, nothing and no one is stopping you from posting a sacharine-sweet, complimentary post praising Marie-Chantal to the high heavens. Just as those who like Letizia are welcome to do the same, and vice versa for those who do like Letizia.

For those of us to dislike Marie-Chantal what is the crime in that? That we can&#39;t find many redeeming qualities about her? That we think she is a shallow individual or that she is snobby and pretentious? That&#39;s how I sincerely feel about her. Am I supposed to lie and say that I think she is greatest thing since double chocolate ice cream? I assure you, the comments I made and subsequent comments made by others were not bashing in the least.
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Old 08-07-2004, 04:08 PM
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I stated in plain language that you have a right to your opinion and to express it, Gigi, so don&#39;t get high and mighty with me. I didn&#39;t "clearly" do anything other than rag on people who criticize some posters while doing the same things themselves. If you&#39;re not part of that group, then consider yourself not addressed by my criticism.

If that isn&#39;t clear enough for you, too bad
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Old 08-07-2004, 04:32 PM
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get back to the topic Pavlos And Marie-chantal
folks

we are many members at LTR with different opinions
all can state their opinion but so with resoect to other members but also with the respect of those we talk about.....
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Old 08-07-2004, 06:43 PM
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Is there anyone here who knows Greek who would like to translate the article from Life and Style? :) I and several others would appreciate it.

http://www.lifeandstyle.gr/article.php?art_id=81

I like them and their family. It&#39;s good to see people who are in love and care about each other and their children. I also admire both Pavlos and Marie-Chantal&#39;s parents for staying together in this day when divorce is so common.
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Old 08-08-2004, 02:51 PM
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I read the article sort of, speak greek very well but read slowly.
Mette marit was there with her baby sitting near the swimming pool and pavlos said his wife is really a very simple and polite person.
(I do not have a printer at home and it will take too long to translate, if a greek member does not volenteer I will report any funny things I can find end of next week)
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Old 08-09-2004, 01:35 AM
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great pictures. Thanks!. I do have one question though. In one of the photos there is a shot of the entire family standing against the backdrop of a mountain. There is another little girl who is standing next to Maria-Olympia. Pavlos has his hand on her shoulder. Who is that little girl? She is also in another pic with Maria-Olympia.
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Old 08-09-2004, 01:51 AM
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Someone else mentioned that she is Talita, the niece of Pavlos and Marie-Chantal. Aren't they great looking kids?

FTR, I love the white dress being worn by the gf of Nikolaos, in the picture where he's holding the Greek flag around his shoulders. Very nice!
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Old 08-09-2004, 08:35 AM
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[QUOTE=ReinaMissy]Someone else mentioned that she is Talita, the niece of Pavlos and Marie-Chantal. Aren't they great looking kids?QUOTE]

I had wondered if that was who it was. It just does not make much sense as to why she would be in a family shot. Maybe if there were other kids in the shot, but whatever.

You are right, they are all great looking kids. They are all going to grow up to be hearbreakers!
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Old 08-09-2004, 11:04 AM
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I had wondered if that was who it was. It just does not make much sense as to why she would be in a family shot. Maybe if there were other kids in the shot, but whatever.
I guess if Talita was there visiting her aunt or with her mom while the photo shoot was going on, it would seem pretty mean to exclude her. I can't read Greek, but I'm certain that the magazine in their photo captions would distinguish that she is not one of Pavlos and Marie-Chantal's children, but a visiting niece/cousin of their children.
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Old 08-09-2004, 02:24 PM
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Someone else mentioned that she is Talita, the niece of Pavlos and Marie-Chantal. Aren't they great looking kids?

FTR, I love the white dress being worn by the gf of Nikolaos, in the picture where he's holding the Greek flag around his shoulders. Very nice!
you scared me for a moment, that he was wearing it around his shoulders. (not excactly a rightwing person but flags have to be treated with respect)

he is holding the flag up high
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Old 08-09-2004, 07:14 PM
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Sorry; I simply meant holding it. I agree, I think wearing a flag as clothing is highly disrespectful, regardless of the nation
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Old 08-18-2004, 11:16 PM
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If anyone reads the french magazine Point de Vue, Pavlos, Marie-Chantal and family are on the cover...
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Old 08-24-2004, 03:15 AM
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Thumbs up beauty is in the eye of the beholder

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That dress is ridiculous.
as in most cercumstances beauty is in the eye of the beholder what one sees as ridiculous others see as a genous design of a dress. M.C. looks ravishing.
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Old 08-24-2004, 10:20 AM
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On Marie-Chantal bashing

Hello everybody!

I have been a quiet observer of this hugely entertaining and informative forum for a while now.

However, there is something that has been bugging me since the first day I visited this thread, which is the so called bashing of Marie-Chantal. I agree with ReinaMissy that there is hardly any postive comment on Marie-Chantal on this thread. It is really sad, as her wealth seems to be her only crime. She i s beautiful, intelligent, and she has got the style. It shows, it is something you have or you simply haven´t.

Also, it it unfair to compare her with the crown-princesses of the REIGNING houses, as the latter ones have obviously more reason to be openly cute and cuddly, as they need their people´s constant approval for their reign (I am sure, most of them are not that nice in real life, at all). Marie-Chantal doesn´t. She knows that she will always be the exiled crown princess of Greece, yet she has made great effort to study Greek, and its culture and follow its traditions. I am sure the things would be totally different if Greece were still a kingdom. I am sure she would serve her country and her people as the future queen of Greece equally well.

Peace,

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