Victoria and Daniel's Relationship

[Marengo]

do they really coordinate their engagement with other major celebrations at court? I can't imagine Daniel waiting to buy a ring because his future father-in-law turned 60, that would be terribly un-romantic ...

 

[Gita]

I don't think either of the pair have been ready for marriage but hopefully they will be next year. Let's hope there is a Swedish Royal wedding in 2008!

 

[crm2317]

They look so at ease in each other's company. Nobody knows why they would wait to get married, maybe they want to be certain they can live together for the rest of their lives. Perhaps Daniel is nervous about his future role, I know I would be! For all we know they could announce an engagement tomorrow!

 

[Gita]

I think it has taken Daniel Westling along time for him to adjust to beeing in the public eye and having the media look into his private life and business and being followed by photographers. But it is better to have taken that bit extra time for him to be 100% per cent certain that he can live that type of lifestyle for the rest of his life.

 

[princess olga]

I completely agree. If after all this time, they don't know yet whether they want to get married.....they should pursue other interests. It's not fair to keep dating when neither one of you know what you want out of the future.

why is that unfair? Victoria's own father, Carl Gustaf, knew early on he'd found the right woman, yet dated her for over four long years before tying the knot. And lived happily married ever after.
And anyhow how do you know they don't know? Maybe <they> know what they want out of each other in the future, but haven't shared it with 'le peuple'. Good for them, I say. I mean, who or what came up with the pedantic rule that states that after over a year of 'dating' someone, you either have to make plans to get hitched or else dump your partner? Is there some law somewhere that dictates this?

 

[laduchesse]

Don't get me wrong - I love royal weddings. With Victoria and Daniel though, it seems like they're a great fit and I think they're in it for the long haul. Perhaps they're in no hurry to get engaged because Victoria understands the sacrifices Daniel would have to make. Unless I'm mistaken, he would have to give up his entrepreneurial career if he were to marry Victoria and so maybe Victoria wants to give him the opportunity to meet his professional goals first.

 

[Gita]

Maybe Daniel could keep his gym for a few years after marriage? But not long-term? But then again I don't see why he can't keep his business going after marriage to Victoria after all then people could accuse him of living off his wife if he doesn't have an income coming in.

 

[crm2317]

Does Daniel have to ask permission to marry Victoria? I know it is courtesy and tradition to ask her father's permission but what about government. Or is it Victoria needs permission, same as the Princes of Orange need permission or they lose their places in succession?

What would happen if King Carl Gustaf said no?

 

[Lena]

Does Daniel have to ask permission to marry Victoria? I know it is courtesy and tradition to ask her father's permission but what about government. Or is it Victoria needs permission, same as the Princes of Orange need permission or they lose their places in succession?

What would happen if King Carl Gustaf said no?

It´s pretty much as for everyone else. Victoria could ask him or she could ask her. In both cases it would be expected, that the king would give his "ok". After such a long time of dating, it could be easily, that the king already had a talk to Daniel and signalised, that he would agree. It wouldn´t surprise me, if Victoria and Daniel would be already informally engaged with a master plan in the back.
If the king would say no, Victoria could accept it and could go on with her search for a partner. Or she could react the stubborn way and could threaten to leave the throne behind. But if she would make this true, the king would seem like the ******* of the nation and he wouldn´t have any working base anymore.
After all Daniel is a well-behaved citizen and the king self is married to a commoner.
And that´s also the reason, why I´m thinking, that the talk to the government would be informal and there wouldn´t be a big fuss. As I´m getting it, it´s not Daniel´s business (in the sense of calling the PM out of the blue...asking for a date), but something between the king or court and the government around the time before the official engagement. Possibly Daniel and Victoria would then meet representants of the government.
There would be only more investigation, if the possible prince would have a dark past.

 

[HRH Kerry]

It has been a couple of months since I've been on TRF and I just knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that I would open up this thread or another sub-forum and find news of an engagement between the two of them. Come on!

 

[Hans-Rickard]

I say the same thing, Come on Victoria and Daniel! All of your friends is married and most of them are alreasy parents or will be parents at short. You are in this summer 30 and 34 years old so it is time to left the youth now! But it will probably not be this year because none of them has time over to that as the court has said.
But I think they are already planning for a marriage next year. The much more friendly intonation from the royal court in media indicates that it is something more than before who is going on.

 

[Lena]

The much more friendly intonation from the royal court in media indicates that it is something more than before who is going on.

Yes? To me it still seems, as if the for the court a wedding would be as absurd as frying Victoria in a deep fryer
And some pro-Daniel & pro-wedding words from the king I haven´t heard yet either.
Well, I´d guess in summer with the birthday and hopefully some interviews, we would know more...at least I´d hope so...then again I´m used to my hopes not getting fulfilled after all the years and false alarms

 

[Shadiyah2086]

What exactly is she waiting for? I'm sure she feels pressure to find a husband that will make a good Prince Consort and wants to make sure that Daniel is the one she wants to be with for the rest of her life. But they've been together for what 5+ years and she's gonna be 30 this summer, i think she should know by now whether or not she wants to be with Daniel. B/c once she gets married people are going to waiting for a pregenancy announcement soon after. I know her father and the people of Sweden must be getting impatient hell I am too I want to see a royal wedding for crying out loud!

 

[crm2317]

What exactly is she waiting for? I'm sure she feels pressure to find a husband that will make a good Prince Consort and wants to make sure that Daniel is the one she wants to be with for the rest of her life. But they've been together for what 5+ years and she's gonna be 30 this summer, i think she should know by now whether or not she wants to be with Daniel. B/c once she gets married people are going to waiting for a pregenancy announcement soon after. I know her father and the people of Sweden must be getting impatient hell I am too I want to see a royal wedding for crying out loud!

Thats true enough. She has been with him a long time and I'm sure she loves him very much and is ready to marry but maybe she isn't. Victoria doens't have normal relationships, she has duties and state visits. She can't just go round to his place and see him when she feels like it. Plus even if she is ready to marry him, she still has to wait for him to ask her when Daniel feels the time is right

 

[Lena]

Thats true enough. She has been with him a long time and I'm sure she loves him very much and is ready to marry but maybe she isn't. Victoria doens't have normal relationships, she has duties and state visits. She can't just go round to his place and see him when she feels like it. Plus even if she is ready to marry him, she still has to wait for him to ask her when Daniel feels the time is right

For Daniel it will never feel right. He simply has to sacrify too much and doesn´t win much. And he has no biologicial clock ticking either.
Sometimes a girl has to blackmail a guy...or it will lead to nowhere. Many guys aren´t very decisive...and live more in the presence, while girls rather live in the future...and plan...and plan...and plan...until their brains are smoking. At least that´s what my experiences are But with Victoria I´m sometimes having a feeling, that she has dropped this planning side with dating Daniel W. They seem to have arranged themselves pretty good with their little concubinage...enjoying the separated work and the nights and vacations together.
Well, who could blame them. But maybe Madame shouldn´t then come with statements like "throne over love"...in this matter this spiteful little man called Penafiel isn´t completely wrong

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Yes? To me it still seems, as if the for the court a wedding would be as absurd as frying Victoria in a deep fryer
And some pro-Daniel & pro-wedding words from the king I haven´t heard yet either.
Well, I´d guess in summer with the birthday and hopefully some interviews, we would know more...at least I´d hope so...then again I´m used to my hopes not getting fulfilled after all the years and false alarms

Oh yes they are more open about this question then before. Not to the extent that they answer yes or no about a wedding but they can discuss the question whith the media and that has never happen before.
And you will never hear some pro-comments from the king about his childrens partners before the wedding at all according to himself. He will never comment on them at all before the wedding.
I dont think it is something negative whith that, I think he just dont want to disturb their relationships.

Really an unimportant thing but it is a thing we (not you lena!) often forget, Only the fact that King Carl XVI Gustaf is married to a common will never mean that he will allow his children to get married whith anybody.
He has his demands and expectations on his childrens partners and that is good. Even if it looks like he has fully accepted Daniel, Emma and Jonas so we can´t know that before an engagement is presented.

 

[Stefanie]

Might be quite possible that she never marries (Daniel). For the reputation of the Swedish royal house an unmarried Queen might be much better than one who is married to the "wrong" man. I could imagine specially Silvia won´t agree that Victoria marries a man like Daniel. It´s IMO still a big difference whether a male King marries a commoner or whether a female Queen marries a commoner. So the argument that C-G married her mother might be an argument of Victoria´s that will not be accepted. And as we know the Swedish monarch´s position is very low profile and that´s one reason why he should be married to the fitting partner not to undermine this position even more.
I can imagine that Victoria got already used to the fact that Daniel will keep being her boyfriend until the end of days....

 

[HRH Kerry]

Wow, that's pretty deep. If that were to truly happen, it rings true with the saying of duty before love. If she were to stay single then the crown would pass to her brother's line. If that's the case give it up now! However, I personally want to see Victoria as queen of her country.

 

[Lena]

Somehow I could also imagine, that it´s actually for Silvia harder to accept Daniel than for the king. But that´s just a vague feeling...an idea.

Hmm, but PR-wise little children close to the throne and some public love are so precious, there´s nothing better than that. I´m a Royal watcher for about 10 years...and I remember the times these boys...Willem, Felipe, Frederik...were (esp. for foreigners) all considered as boring and only specialists were into them. And now look, what we get to see these days around the Danish Royal Family or the Spanish one. Then e.g. the Swedish RF seemed generally more interesting, because they were about 10 years younger and still in their teenage years.
And then there´s additionally of course the thing, that probably also as private persons the SRF would want children or grandchildren. I guess at the moment all are pushing a decision a bit away. But one day, there will be one...I´m sure. We won´t see 40 year old Victoria with her 44 year old lover Daniel...at least I´d hope so

 

[Vanesa]

I hould have liked another kind of guy for the Crownprincess, but since it is now a looongtime that she is with Daniel, it should be time for her to marry. Princess Victoria is very jolly and nice, and I think she will made a wonderful mother.

Vanesa.

 

[wanderer]

"Duty comes first. " Sweden will have a virgin Queen like Elizabeth I. Swedes should be pround of themselve to have a future Queen who cares a lot of her people. I think people in this forum should not dwell into the idea of her marriage. If CP Victoria and Daniel want to keep this status of their relationship forever, it is totally fine. Puting pressure on her into marriage would only result in blacklash (in my opinion). To me, her marriage is not the most important thing at all. The most important thing is how she's going to lead her country (or shall I say represent her country as a Queen).

 

[Nouvelle]

I say the same thing, Come on Victoria and Daniel! All of your friends is married and most of them are alreasy parents or will be parents at short. You are in this summer 30 and 34 years old so it is time to left the youth now! But it will probably not be this year because none of them has time over to that as the court has said.
But I think they are already planning for a marriage next year. The much more friendly intonation from the royal court in media indicates that it is something more than before who is going on.

I've read somewhere that one person from the court, close to Victoria said that they aren't planning the wedding in this year
I was so disappointed when I read it. I've been waiting for the engagement for 2 years! And how is it with the people in Sweden? They must be impatient!!! I don't understand Victoria. She loves Daniel and he loves her. So what's the matter? She just has to have children and to give birth to future king or queen of Sweden. She's 30, so Victoria married - 31, Victoria's first child - 32. Late...

 

[acdc1]

Maybe they don't feel like they're ready yet. And its not too late, a good percentage of the worldwide population don't get married and have children until they're mid-to-late thirties. It's just depending on how ready they are to enter that life, because it can be a lot different than being single or just boyfriend/girlfriend.

 

[Stefanie]

Believe me: It´ll be a nightmare for Queen Silvia to read headlines like this one (in case they announce an engagement): "Future Swedish Queen marries her former fitnesstrainer..."
I know it might not be that comparable but it reminds me of: "Princess Stephanie of Monaco marries fish-trader...."
And as I told you before: On C-G´s 60th birthday some swedish reporter was asked what the swedish public thinks of V and D: And she answered: "Well, they are a bit disappointed...."

 

[Lena]

Believe me: It´ll be a nightmare for Queen Silvia to read headlines like this one (in case they announce an engagement): "Future Swedish Queen marries her former fitnesstrainer..."
I know it might not be that comparable but it reminds me of: "Princess Stephanie of Monaco marries fish-trader...."
And as I told you before: On C-G´s 60th birthday some swedish reporter was asked what the swedish public thinks of V and D: And she answered: "Well, they are a bit disappointed...."

Wasn´t that self a noble woman? German-Swedish of origin?
I think on the one hand, many Swedes are disappointed and on the other hand, some are proud, that it could be one of them...and wanna protect him.
Today a newspaper reported about this book "Daniel&Victoria" revealing, how the brats are thinking of Daniel and how they were calling him "farmer" etc.
Just the right thing to get the majority of the Swedes on Daniel´s side

The thing with Silvia is, that she (and actually also Sonja of Norway) are these days more Royal than born Royals. I guess it hurts, if you have tried so hard...and then someone is coming, who is so absolutely not fitting into the picture...and who could maybe have not so much potential to become a glamour&glitter Royal, who is picking up good causes (if Daniel really hasn´t this potential, we will see)

But it´s though interesting, how hopeless, it´s getting for many ppl.
The current poll on the question of Daniel and Victoria marrying

Inom ett år (within a year) 35% (1306)
Inom fem år (within 5 years) 35% (1320)
Aldrig (never) 30% (1127)

The never and within 5 years part is actually quite big.

And also here ppl are thinking, she could end unmarried. Maybe this thread should get as addition "Desperate Royal watchers"
I hope in 2 years, we would laugh about this idea of an unmarried Victoria.

 

[Avalon]

....
And also here ppl are thinking, she could end unmarried. Maybe this thread should get as addition "Desperate Royal watchers" ,,,,,,,

Can't say I like that scenario.
Victoria is one of my favourite Royals and I want to see her wedding and a bunch of kids.

Most commoners, who married Royals in the past (mainly female) have suffered the same kind of prejudice as Daniel now - some people thought they might not fit in. As the past generation of commoner Queens and Princesses shows, those worries were unfounded. I think that if he is given a chance, Daniel will prove himself as well - after all he must be truly special to earn the love of someone like Victoria.

 

[crm2317]

I really don't see why her age is a problem. Yes she is turning thirty soon, but Letizia was nearly 32 when she married Felipe and Maxima was 31 when she married W-A.

Victoria and Daniel have been together for a long time and she could very well have married him by the time she turns the same age as other european crown princesses

 

[Lena]

I guess the "problem" is the fact, that she is dating this guy for about 5-6 years and nothing happened so far. I guess many ppl have the feeling, and have seen in their lives often, that very long dating doesn´t end in marriages anymore, just as not many ppl marry within 1 year up from the day they met. There seems to be an average dating time of 2-4 years. Of course there are many exceptions.
Maxima got engaged within 2 years, Letizia within 1. Victoria and Daniel are killing all statistics...that is making things confusing.
If they would get engaged soon and would marry in 2008 or 2009 (even though the thought of waiting another 2 years is so zzzzzzzz), things would be still ok. But if it would go on and would then break apart, things could get tight for Victoria. Then she would be 32 and would be on search.

 

[rop81]

What if Victoria and Daniel already have decided to marry but maybe they or the king felt that they shouldn´t marry before she is 30? That could be the case, the King have said that he wanted his children to have turned 25 atleast when the married, but what if that was only the official story or maybe a different set of rules where given to Victoria saying that she had to have passed 30 before he would approve of a marrige. Well i belive anyway that there will be a wedding next summer - and i can´t wait.

 

[Currier]

Regarding Victoria's long-time romance, wasn't it reported that she was waiting for him to learn to speak English?