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Old 10-15-2017, 07:47 PM
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Yes, but that contradicts what Andrew has said in the past.

At one time he told the press that he could see no reason why his daughters should not be working royals, since that would take some of the burden from him.

So it seems he has changed his tune. Or maybe not.

As you say, we really don't know what Charles thinks about it.
I was curious as to what Andrew has said in the past. Is there a credible link?

As to the 21st Century expectations of the York Girls and Beatrice missing the mark, it just seems to me that Eugenie who studied, worked and gained employment in her chosen career and Beatrice who I have little idea of what she does, but is nevertheless employed but not in her chosen study field, both have had their work dismissed as hobbies.

Why should they bother to work if people dismiss their jobs as "Hobbies". How demeaning and insulting. On the one hand, people demand that they have a not just a job but a Career with a capital 'C', on the other hand, they are both dismissed as mere dilettantes!
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Old 10-16-2017, 08:08 AM
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Not sure what you will consider credible but I did find several links.

Here's one example:

How do you solve a problem like Princess Beatrice? - Telegraph
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Old 10-16-2017, 03:27 PM
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Beatrice was spotted in New York City yesterday, October 15:



** dailymail: Something to tell us, Beatrice? 29-year-old princess strides through New York wearing a 'Team Mikey' hoodie..**
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Old 10-16-2017, 09:56 PM
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See now, if this young woman was hankering after a job as a full-time British Royal, she wouldn't go out like this ... or let people break plates on her head in Greece.

I don't think she wants a full-time Royal job. I think her mother wants it for her, and her father to a lesser extent. Andrew wants her to be happy, and Fergie wants to ride her like a surfboard to ever-more opulent yacht parties and New York dollars.
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:59 PM
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I think it is more that she has accepted that she isn't wanted by the BRF as a working member of the firm and so has decided to live her life her way and stuff them. She reportedly asked to do more in 2012 and again in 2014 but both times Charles and William told her she wasn't wanted and now she simply doesn't care about them and their needs or wants in the future.

William will only have himself and Harry and his spouse in his generation and so the slimming of the BRF will happen simply by not having the cousins work at all. Too bad if their is an only child.
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:12 AM
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She isn't living some scandalous life. Her socializing is nothing different then her adult cousins have done, even those who are working royals. Actually quite tame compared to someone like Harry in the past. And yet no one thinks they are shaming the family and out casts in the eyes of the queen.

She is wearing a cute denim dress. She is out in public but not on any duty. She isn't representing the queen. She is walking down the street, possibly to work. The only one who has reason to complain are who she works with.

The only reason she is 'shaming' the queen is because royal fans are following the Daily mail. Reading about parties and holidays, and ignoring her charity work and other involvement. Every single trip is turned into some holiday or wild party story if she gets any attention. She was in Toronto for WE but all she gets is bad press for mentioning her grandmother.

Honestly even if she was a working royal her life wouldn't change. She would be doing the same patronages she does now. She would just have her travel paid for her. May be a day when William and Harry are alone but for their wives, when everyone else is retired, and those patronages she does will be appreciated more.
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Old 10-17-2017, 10:27 PM
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Not sure what you will consider credible but I did find several links.

Here's one example:

How do you solve a problem like Princess Beatrice? - Telegraph
That article is from 2014 so its relevance is dated. The article did not stay with the truth either when it mentioned that the Yorks may have regretted not following Princess Anne's choice of having her children untitled. Utter rubbish.

Princess Anne could not hand down her title to her children. It goes down the patrilineal line. Therefore neither Peter nor Zara are HRH Prince or Princess the same way that Princess Charlotte's children will not be unless of course, she marries a prince!
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That article is from 2014 so its relevance is dated. The article did not stay with the truth either when it mentioned that the Yorks may have regretted not following Princess Anne's choice of having her children untitled. Utter rubbish.

Princess Anne could not hand down her title to her children. It goes down the patrilineal line. Therefore neither Peter nor Zara are HRH Prince or Princess the same way that Princess Charlotte's children will not be unless of course, she marries a prince!
Yes Anne's kids would never be HRH, but they could have had titles. It is said that Mark was offered a title when they married, as Anthony had been when he married Margaret. But Mark and Anne decided against it, wishing to raise their kids with a normal up bringing with no titles. If they had, Peter would be Viscount X and Zara would he Lady Zara. That was what the author was referring to, not some mistaken notion that they could have been HRH.
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Old 10-18-2017, 05:02 AM
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I saw it as a choice that Anne made and because even as an HRH Princess in her own right for her children to be titled her commoner husband would have to have had a title created for him that would go down the patrilineal line. That has absolutely nothing to do with the York's where Andrew's daughters automatically inherited the HRH Princess title from their father on their birth. Needless to say, that's where it ends unless their husbands are titled.
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Beatrice attended the La Ligne x Cuyana collaboration celebration hosted by Ashe x Leandro in New York City yesterday, October 18:


** Pic 1 ** Pic 2 ** rex gallery **
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On October 19 Beatrice attended the Bumble Dinner Party in New York City:


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** dailymail: Stunning in silver! Princess Beatrice wears statement metallic skirt as she joins fellow A-listers for Bumble Bizz dinner..**
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At some point, Royals have to make the decision NOT to pose against these promo backdrops.
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Princess Beatrice attended the Minnie Muse collection launch in New York City yesterday, November 7:


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** dailymail: B is for Beatrice! Princess carries a clutch emblazoned with her initial..**


And here's another article from today:


** dailymail: How very regal! Princess Beatrice uses 'Queen Bee' embossed stationery for a handwritten note to support an anti-bullying campaign **
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Don't British royals who use the HRH designation just sign their first given name? It seems very unusual for Beatrice to actually write out "princess".
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Princess Beatrice attended the 'Be Cool, Be nice' book launch at House of Lords in London yesterday, November 13:


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Don't British royals who use the HRH designation just sign their first given name? It seems very unusual for Beatrice to actually write out "princess".
She does as well.

If you look at the actual letter she wrote, she signed Beatrice.

The Princess Beatrice is not her signature. Her lips are appearing on the cover of the publishing. Her full name is put under the lips to identify her. If it simply said Beatrice, no one would know whose lips those were. While it is her writing, its not meant as her signature. Its simply identifying who she is.

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Fantastic seeing Bea being involved in such a campaign. It was started by a number of people in the fashion industry like Lenny Kravitz. Both her work in fashion, and her interest in bullying, including having faced some of her own, seems a good match. I hope to see Bea continuing involved.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/gallery...-anti-bullying

Again I wish the BRF would do something to showcase her work. She has at least 10 patronages. Even if she isn't an official working royal, the charities she helps support could benefit from it.
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:35 AM
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It isn't up to the BRF to showcase the work of non-working royals as they only way they do showcase work is to identify the official work the royals do.

As Beatrice's work is unofficial they don't acknowledge it ... just as they don't acknowledge any unofficial work carried out be senior royals as well.

Beatrice is not wanted or needed on the working royal roster and so they are also making that very clear as well by not giving her any acknowledgement on the British Monarchy website.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:22 AM
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Actually, with Beatrice's work not being recognized by the "Firm" or counted in the court circular, I think it adds more heart to Beatrice herself. She's not working at these charitable endeavors because she's supposed to as a working royal but she's doing it because she wants to and believes in the causes she is supporting.

The fact that she's doing it of her own volition, to me, means far more than being "recognized" for her good works by the "Firm".
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Poor Beatrice; not wanted by the 'firm', not wanted by the media, not wanted by the public, not wanted by Smiley Dave ... she knows all about bullying. I feel for the girl. At least her family love is strong.
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Poor Beatrice; not wanted by the 'firm', not wanted by the media, not wanted by the public, not wanted by Smiley Dave ... she knows all about bullying. I feel for the girl. At least her family love is strong.
She's better off without Dave; I think he was such a user.

But I do think perhaps Charles should reconsider allowing Beatrice to do official patronages.
Many of his relatives are elderly and not in the best health. They are bound to be slowing down at some point, so Beatrice might be quite useful.
Also, she seems to be interested so why not?
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