The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #21  
Old 11-14-2014, 09:59 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 3,870
Princess Mary had to wait until after Louise, the daughter of King Edward VII died, in 1931. Princess Louise had become Princess Royal in 1905, four years after the previous holder, Vicky, the Empress Friedrich of Germany.

Edward adored his older sister and probably wanted to wait a number of years before giving his daughter the title. Vicky had been Princess Royal for sixty years at the time of her death.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11-14-2014, 10:28 PM
Osipi's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 7,910
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skippyboo View Post
The simplest answer seems like the Queen likes to make people wait for stuff. Look at the Order of the Garter.
Philip got it at the time of his marriage from George VI, its automatic for the Prince of Wales, but look at when all the others got them- DoKent (1985), Anne(1994), DoGlouc(1996), Andrew(2006), Edward (2006), Alexandria(2003) and William (2008).
I'd revise your statement to to read "holding off on conferring such honors until such time as they would have more meaning". As HM takes her role as monarch deeply serious, it would stand to reason that the titles and honors she bestows have meaning also to her and aren't playbills handed out just because people are there for the performance. Although she did confer the title of Prince of Wales on Charles at an early age, she also made it extraordinarily special for him by having an investiture ceremony in Wales.

In the case of the title/style of Princess Royal, my own personal opinion is that whatever title Anne had was fine with Anne. Titles are not an area where she has been overly picky about in her lifetime and from the fact that titles/styles were offered at the time of her marriage and when her children were born and refused, I think conferring the title of Princess Royal on Anne was most likely a very meaningful and profound moment between mother and daughter.
__________________

__________________
In my walks, every man I meet is my superior in some way, and in that I learn from him.
~~~Ralph Waldo Emerson~~~
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-14-2014, 10:47 PM
LauraS3514's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: San Jose, CA, United States
Posts: 371
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iluvbertie View Post
You don't 'have to work' for the title but QEII has shown that she expects the younger siblings to do more than the heir to get any honours.

She waited until Anne was well established as a working member of The Firm to give her the title of Princess Royal. She could have done it the day after her aunt died. Edward VII waited a couple of years, as did George V, between the deaths of their respective sisters and the creation of their own daughters.
I seem to recall one royal "expert" suggesting (after the fact) that Anne was elevated to "Princess Royal" once it was apparent to the family that she and Mark Phillips would divorce sooner or later. As "Princess Royal" her style would no longer be "The Princess Anne, Mrs. Mark Phillips"... Her aunt, Princess Margaret, remained "HRH PM, Countess of Snowdon" until her death, even after her divorce. Perhaps HM and HRH wanted to avoid that situation?
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-15-2014, 12:18 AM
Queen Camilla's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Chicago, United States
Posts: 1,861
LauraS3514,

I was thinking along those lines.

The Queen did not approve of Mark Phillips and withheld the Princess Royal title.

And in turn, Princess Anne & Mark Phillips turned down a title for their family in a game of tit for tat.

In 1987, when it was clear the marriage was over, the Queen bestowed the title of Princess Royal and Princess Anne accepted.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-24-2015, 07:21 AM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: England, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,368
Personally I think the Queen waited until Anne has wound down her evening participation before granting her the title Princess Royal. Upon marriage Anne was still eventing and competing a lot and maybe it was felt by all concerned that it was best to not give Anne the extra title of Princess Royal whilst competing. Obviously having an extra title wouldn't be seen as an unfair advantage when competing but maybe they wanted to keep the amount of 'royal-ness' (can't think of a better way to say it) around Anne to a minimum whilst competing - the same has certainly been the case with Zara.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 10-24-2015, 09:24 AM
Duc_et_Pair's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: City, Netherlands
Posts: 6,586
Quote:
Originally Posted by LauraS3514 View Post
[...] Her aunt, Princess Margaret, remained "HRH PM, Countess of Snowdon" until her death, even after her divorce. [...]
That was actually perfect in line with etiquette as -by coincidence- that style befitted a divorced spouse of a Peer. Look at Sarah, Duchess of York. Look at Diana, Princess of Wales. The style The Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon is the same.

That the Princess had the same style during her marriage was because she was a Princess of the blood royal and so her royal title always came before her husband's title. Also this is according etiquette. See Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone as a similar example.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 11-07-2016, 12:32 PM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Tennessee, United States
Posts: 137
Quote:
Originally Posted by Queen Camilla View Post
LauraS3514,

I was thinking along those lines.

The Queen did not approve of Mark Phillips and withheld the Princess Royal title.

And in turn, Princess Anne & Mark Phillips turned down a title for their family in a game of tit for tat.

In 1987, when it was clear the marriage was over, the Queen bestowed the title of Princess Royal and Princess Anne accepted.
Or perhaps Anne was offered Princess Royal at the time of her first marriage, but she felt uncomfortable accepting while simultaneously turning down the title for her husband. In fact, she may have even been in a phase of not really wanting the Princess Royal designation.
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Prince Feisal's wife granted royal title Rossina King Abdullah's Brothers 9 08-05-2014 11:11 PM
Princess Mxima's Future Title Marengo King Willem-Alexander, Queen Mxima and family 187 01-30-2013 06:58 AM
Princess Haya's Title Bubbette Ruling Family of Dubai 25 09-24-2007 11:49 AM




Popular Tags
akhenaten albania ascot 2016 austria best gown september 2016 best hat best outfit birthday coup d'etat crown princess mary crown princess mary fashion crown princess victoria daytime fashion denmark duchess of cambridge duchess of cornwall hats duke of cambridge fashion poll hereditary grand duchess stphanie's fashion & style jewels king abdullah ii king carl gustaf and queen silvia king willem-alexander member introduction monarchy new zealand norway november 2016 october 2016 picture of the week prince charles prince leka princess diana lady spencer princess eugenie fashion princess marie princess mary princess mary casual style princess mary daytime fashion princess mary fashion princess mary hats princess sofia princess sofia style princess victoria 39th birthday queen letizia queen letizia casual outfits queen letizia daytime fashion queen letizia fashion queen margrethe queen mathilde queen mathilde daytime fashion queen maxima queen maxima casual wear queen maxima daytime fashion queen maxima fashion queen maxima hats queen maxima style queen rania queen rania fashion queen rania in australia queen silvia september 2016 silva state visit succession sweden the duchess of cambridge casual wear the duchess of cambridge daytime fashion the duchess of cambridge fashion the duchess of cambridge hats tiara uae wildlife


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:36 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017
Jelsoft Enterprises