The Prince and Princess of Prussia: August 2011-


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I am certainly not wrong because I am aware of who is who. Louis Ferdinand is Georg Friedrich’s grandfather, and I think I read somewhere that he actually did try to initiate proceedings but probably his illness as you say prevented him from fully going through the process. He attempted to do recover lost properties but wasn’t successful. However his efforts led to changes in the compensation law

Well, your comment confuses the facts, let's sort this out for other members.

LF (the grandfather) did try to be refunded for expropriates possesions from 1945 while the then existing law (VermG) of the Russian occupier in East Germany did NOT apply for it.
Of course his claim was turned down before one could call it a case.
The law endured the fall of the Berlin wall and East German Republic.

GF (the grandson and still head of the house now) is the one who
like you put it "had legal issues with his uncles" (who had survived his father) after the death of LF.
Truth here: the uncle Friedrich Wilhem lived a morganatic marriage which disinherited him, which he tried to fight but lost in court

GF then in 2014 claimed possions, mostly art, two castles and right of residence
for two castles in Berlin.

His (GF') claims were legally accepted as based on the then (2014) and still existing law (EALG) applys to it.
UNLESS your ancestor (crucial here CP Wilhelm from Prussia, LF's father) had given considerable encouragement to Nazi regime. Which was the big question here.

At first ongoing behind the scenes negotiations and during the last years widely public discussions but court dispute took place for almost 10 years until GF now turned the claims down.

I hope GF finds his peace now with the situation. Luckily his grandfathers reputation was not crucial for the claims because though LF ran the story of being close to the resistance(never proofed but doubted) his role is interpretated not much better than his fathers CP Wilhelm
and as LF raised GF (whose father had died shortly after GF's birth) it had been much harder emotionally and I think the historians plus the media would have pointed out all the details and probably hurt GF and both ruined the prussian reputation for all times.
 
...At first ongoing behind the scenes negotiations and during the last years widely public discussions but court dispute took place for almost 10 years until GF now turned the claims down...

A good summary! But if you don't have very recent reports, then the "Chief of the House Hohenzollern", Georg Friedrich, has only ceased a part of his claims - to be exact for 4 000 pieces of art. He did so, to create a better atmosphere in the still ongoing legal dispute.

We had this here in the thread.
 
A good summary! But if you don't have very recent reports, then the "Chief of the House Hohenzollern", Georg Friedrich, has only ceased a part of his claims - to be exact for 4 000 pieces of art. He did so, to create a better atmosphere in the still ongoing legal dispute.

We had this here in the thread.

Thank you.
 
Georg Friedrich Prince of Prussia attended the Prize for Understanding and Tolerance 2023 at the Jewish Museum in Berlin on November 11.

He accompanied 102 years old Margot Friedländer, German survivor of the Holocaust.


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Sophie, Princess of Prussia attended the 75th Bambi Awards in Munich yesterday, November 16, and posed for a photo with Sophie-Alexandra, Princess of Bavaria:


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Georg Friedrich Prince of Prussia, once again accompanying Holocaust survivor Margot Friedländer, attended an memorial event to honour the late politician Wolfgang Schaeuble at the German lower house of parliament (Bundestag) in Berlin today, January 22:


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Yesterday, February 14, Georg Friedrich Prince of Prussia attended the Berlin Peace Dialogue in Berlin:


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Georg Friedrich Prince of Prussia attended a Premier at the Delphi-Filmpalast at the Zoo in Berlin yesterday
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Sophie, Princess of Prussia, attended the annual Tribute To Bambi charity night in Berlin yesterday, September 5:


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The Prince and Princess of Prussia were at the Hoppegarten racecourse in Berlin on October 3rd.
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Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia, attended the Bambi Award 2024 in Munich yesterday, November 7:


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Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia and Sophie, Princess of Prussia, attended the 23rd award ceremony of the Prize for Understanding and Tolerance 2024 at the Jewish Museum in Berlin yesterday, November 16:


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Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia and Sophie, Princess of Prussia, together with at least two of their children (probably all, as another boy can be seen in the back and another maybe hidden) attended the funeral of Holocaust survivor Margot Friedlaender at the cemetary in Weissensee, Berlin, today, May 15.

On the photos they are greeting German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier and his wife.


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I recently saw a documentary on Mrs. Friedänder of Deutsche Welle. An impressive and eloquent woman!

Was this a (semi) state funeral, considering the attendance of the political elite of Germany?

It may have been one of the first times we actually see something of the children of the Prince and Princess. Were they invited as acquentences of mrs. Friedländer -which would explain the children there as well- or is it due to the official nature of the ceremony?
 
It may have been one of the first times we actually see something of the children of the Prince and Princess. Were they invited as acquentences of mrs. Friedländer -which would explain the children there as well- or is it due to the official nature of the ceremony?
The 2 older sons were among the flower children at the Leiningen-Prussia Wedding in 2017 but otherwise i think this is the first official Event at we see them.
 
Was this a (semi) state funeral, considering the attendance of the political elite of Germany?

It may have been one of the first times we actually see something of the children of the Prince and Princess. Were they invited as acquentences of mrs. Friedländer -which would explain the children there as well- or is it due to the official nature of the ceremony?
I guess it was rather a "normal" big funeral for a highly respected and well-known public figure than a state funeral under organization of the federal government.

Georg Friedrich is a Board Member of the Margot Friedländer Foundation and the couple has accompanied Margot Friedländer to many events during the past years. On their website they shared that they were "deeply grateful to have known Mrs Friedländer personally", so I guess it has also been a personal friendship between them.

 
Now it is official:
Berlin and Brandenburg keep Prussian treasure!
After 99 years of dispute, a mutually satisfactory solution has been found. The million-dollar treasures of Prussia's emperors and kings will remain in the Berlin and Brandenburg museums. Not only the 70 villas and palaces such as Charlottenburg and parks such as Sanssouci will remain public property including famous paintings by Lucas Cranach and Antoine Watteau, King Friedrich's armchairs, Wilhelm's imperial crown, all of inestimable value.

 
What was agreed upon? Does the prince get anything in return?
 
In the above posted article it says:

“It was important to me and my family to safeguard this cultural heritage,” said the Prussian prince, explaining his decision, "and to ensure that it remains open to the public. For me, it's both an end and a new beginning." Legally, the imperial family remains co-owner of many of the treasures - in the joint “Hohenzollern Art Foundation”, in which the public sector has the say.

Nevertheless, the aristocracy does not come away empty-handed: In addition to a large number of less valuable works of art, the Hohenzollerns are keeping five snuffboxes (“tabatieren”) belonging to Old Fritz. Made of the most precious materials, worth millions at auction. The minister has not yet revealed whether the federal government, states and museums will be bidding in the jewelry auction.

“The German Historical Museum and the Prussian Cultural Heritage Foundation still have to approve the contract with their committees,” Weimer asked for patience. “It will be ready in five or six weeks.” All claims of the House of Hohenzollern will then be settled. The federal government, Berlin and Brandenburg have already decided this.

A nice anecdote he mentioned. Since moving from Fischerhude to Potsdam-Babelsberg in 2018 he enjoys cycling in the castle's park. But cycling is prohibited in the palace grounds, even for the heirs of the palace owners. The Prussian prince admits: "I even got a ticket for it, but I paid it remorsefully. And I hope that's the end of the matter, and with a smile on his face "Now I told you a real secret"
 
Thanks for the translation, hereditarytitles. Did the Prince finally receive permission to live in a part of Cecilienhof? From what was written I gather he did not.
 
By now more photos of today's funeral have been uploaded including some that clearly show that indeed all four children attended - the twins Carl Friedrich and Louis Ferdinand, and Emma Marie and Heinrich:


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I'm delighted that the dispute has finally come to a conclusion, although I am sad that the Family have no right to reside in at least part of one of the residences, it would IMO enhance the atmosphere of these historical palaces to retain a living connection .As far as I am aware the Princess remains a Roman Catholic , am I correct in thinking that the sons are being raised as Protestant, whilst the daughter follows her mothers religion ?
 
Legally, the imperial family remains co-owner of many of the treasures - in the joint “Hohenzollern Art Foundation”, in which the public sector has the say.

Hmm, to me this sounds a bit like a "fauler Kompromiss" as one says in Germany - a "rotten compromise"!

The legal question was: Who owns these fine art artefacts? The Imperial House or the public hand?

And now: Both! Co-ownership... And all is put into a foundation, a fund, the "Hohenzollern Art Foundation", which is obviously ment as a non profit.

So, who owns all these art pieces in the end? The public hand, the Federal Republic of Germany(?) ,and the Hohenzollern family...

What are the legal consequences? Does this mean, the Hohenzollerns have effectively lost any possibility to make claims? I think, they are still to co-owners! So, if bad comes to worse... - and the geographical area in question, Eastern Germany, has seen quite a lot of legally valid states in the last hundred years or so - The Imperial Empire, the Weimarian Republic, The Nazi Realm, the socialist German Democratic Republic and the Unified Germany as the Federal Republic of Germany in the temporarily end... So, if a new constitution for the stately organization comes, will then everything start from anew?
 
.As far as I am aware the Princess remains a Roman Catholic , am I correct in thinking that the sons are being raised as Protestant, whilst the daughter follows her mothers religion ?
As far as i recall all children were christened protestant, but i could be wrong as there was no much Information about the christening of the children
 
Hmm, to me this sounds a bit like a "fauler Kompromiss" as one says in Germany - a "rotten compromise"!

The legal question was: Who owns these fine art artefacts? The Imperial House or the public hand?

And now: Both! Co-ownership... And all is put into a foundation, a fund, the "Hohenzollern Art Foundation", which is obviously ment as a non profit.

So, who owns all these art pieces in the end? The public hand, the Federal Republic of Germany(?) ,and the Hohenzollern family...

What are the legal consequences? Does this mean, the Hohenzollerns have effectively lost any possibility to make claims? I think, they are still to co-owners! So, if bad comes to worse... - and the geographical area in question, Eastern Germany, has seen quite a lot of legally valid states in the last hundred years or so - The Imperial Empire, the Weimarian Republic, The Nazi Realm, the socialist German Democratic Republic and the Unified Germany as the Federal Republic of Germany in the temporarily end... So, if a new constitution for the stately organization comes, will then everything start from anew?
I don't think this agreement is a "fauler Kompromiss" (a bad compromise). I am repeating this which was stated in my first article:
" If Nevertheless, the aristocratic house does not come away empty-handed: In addition to a large number of less valuable works of art, the Hohenzollerns kept five snuffboxes (“Tabatieren”) belonging to Old Fritz. Made of the most precious materials, worth millions at auction. The minister has not yet revealed whether the federal government, states and museums will be bidding in the jewelry auction."

This auction is only mentioned in the last sentence, but could be part of the compromise, so not a bad compromise in that case. I found it interesting that an art website, which caters to auctioneers and art lovers, published this press release directly.
Unfortunately, there is a paywall here, but I'm sure many wealthy interested parties from all over the world are already informed in the background. It will depend on how much can be achieved for these very valuable and historically important treasures. I assume that such an auction will be organized by one of the famous houses, such as Sotheby's or Christie's.
We don't know who will benefit from the proceeds, which could run into the millions.

As to your questions I think the agreement between the BRD and the House of Prussia is quite clear as it is stated in the newspaper clip. Besides, the news is all over in the internet by now, all public radio and tv stations, and all newspapers in our country have reported about it.

What will be in the future, none of us will know. As for now the case is settled and all involved seem to be happy and content.
 
As far as i recall all children were christened protestant, but i could be wrong as there was no much Information about the christening of the children
Thank you for the clarification . I must have misremembered, or possibly inferred that they would follow, what I understood was the traditional path, in that males born of a " mixed " marriage were raised in the Fathers religion, and females followed the Mothers . Obviously I should have appreciated that as a non-reigning house, unlike the House of Orange this was no longer an issue .
 
Thank you for the clarification . I must have misremembered, or possibly inferred that they would follow, what I understood was the traditional path, in that males born of a " mixed " marriage were raised in the Fathers religion, and females followed the Mothers . Obviously I should have appreciated that as a non-reigning house, unlike the House of Orange this was no longer an issue .
This doesn't apply to the house of Orange either. All daughters of Willem-Alexander (protestant) and Máxima (roman-catholic) were baptized in the Protestant Church of the Netherlands.

It was the house of Nassau - in Luxembourg, where this decision was supposedly made at the marriage of Grand Duke Wilhelm/Guillaume of Luxembourg and his bride Infanta Maria Ana of Portugal that the daughters were to be raised Catholic and sons Protestant - although others suggest that it was always the intention to raise all children as Roman-Catholics (because the large majority of the population was roman-catholic) and not just the daughters, although there are no sons to know for sure.
 
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