The Duchess of Sussex: Family and Background

[CTchic]

“The newlyweds, who are said to be waiting for the 74 year old to approach them in a 'respectful manner', will not try to 'set the record straight', reports the Sunday Times.”

“The only reason Meghan hasn't spoken to her father yet is because she's yet to hear from him in a respectful manner,' a source told DailyMail.com earlier this week”

Prince Harry and Meghan 'are not going to engage' in war of words with her father | Daily Mail Online

So this suggests that once he calms down, they will probably meet with him, or at least make contact.

Provided the story is true.

It is not true. It is from the Daily Mail, a source Wikipedia no longer accepts as a valid source.
It is evident that the actions of the Sussexes is to not engage with the Markles as it is clear that he Markle Snr is not a trustworthy man who is in cahoots with his older daughter who is a reprobate.

 

[Rudolph]

The Daily Mirror reports Meghan is off to see her mom. The rumour mill continues.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markle-just-150-miles-13107237

 

[CTchic]

The Metro also reported that Meghan is in Toronto without Harry but Carolyn Durand tweeted that is not true hours ago.

These tabloids are quickly becoming a wealthy source of innuendo and fake news. These are 'journalists' not doing their jobs properly.

I will certainly not be sharing anything from them with regards to the Sussexes and the Markles as it is clear they have an agenda.

 

[AlowVera]

The only article that brings up the issue of verbal abuse, pretty good read:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-t...drama-helps-us-all?source=twitter&via=desktop


“Those who are regularly targeted often need to end all contact with the perpetrator to avoid re-traumatization.” When asked about critics of Meghan Markle’s alleged decision to cut ties with her father, Evans said, “Real parents don’t blackmail their children.”

I hope that Meghan is being advised by either a therapist or counselor. This is not about one side winning and the other losing in the eyes of the media but another person being verbally abused while the media forces the abused to continue being involved in an abusive relationship without having a safety zone. No matter if this is happening to Meghan or a Kardashian or someone who is not famous, this behavior is not ethical.

 

[CTchic]

The only article that brings up the issue of verbal abuse, pretty good read:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-t...drama-helps-us-all?source=twitter&via=desktop


“Those who are regularly targeted often need to end all contact with the perpetrator to avoid re-traumatization.” When asked about critics of Meghan Markle’s alleged decision to cut ties with her father, Evans said, “Real parents don’t blackmail their children.”

I hope that Meghan is being advised by either a therapist or counselor. This is not about one side winning and the other losing in the eyes of the media but another person being verbally abused while the media forces the abused to continue being involved in an abusive relationship without having a safety zone. No matter if this is happening to Meghan or a Kardashian or someone who is not famous, this behavior is not ethical.

Fantastic read! As someone who has cut off toxic family members,friends and work colleagues; I find what the Markles are doing to Meghan to be vile and repugnant.

 

[Madame Verseau]

And the tabloids are still cooking things up. The are still hoping Meghan meets up with Dad while in town. How do they know her itinerary unless they hacked into Kensington Palace's server?

I read the Daily Beast article and it's a good read. Meghan is not curled up in the fetal position in a corner over this. She has her mom, Harry, her closest friends and the BRF behind her. Meghan will always have critics and she has earned Charles' nickname of Tungsten.

 

[ACO]

It was an excellent read and touched on a lot of points I have really stressed, mainly that if he was NOT her father majority would not be wanting her to associate with him. But because this man shares DNA with her she is suppose to accept his behavior and mend the relationship. It is ridiculous.

 

[Lady Nimue]

Do you know what $$ it would cost Tom Markle Sr to sue one of the tabloids for one or two things they’ve written that might not be true? His pockets are not that deep.

Exactly so. Lawyers fees, especially the up-front retainers, usually are pretty steep. One has to be able to have a substantial amount of money tied up in retainer fees, and then not overly blink when the monies start to flow out of the retainer account at blinding speed.

 

[Osipi]

The thing is that even if Tom, Sr. had the deep pockets, retained the lawyers and went to court and won, it wouldn't restore his reputation or his credibility at all. Once things are "out there", they're "out there" for good.

Not worth it really in my book. ?

 

[Madame Verseau]

Dad would have other problems with a libel suit. In a US proceeding Dad would have to prove what the tabloid wrote is not true. For example his not going to Meghan's first wedding he will have to produce the pictures proving he attended. The same for the stories about his faking the heart attack and surgery; he would have to produce the hospital records. Corroborating witnesses that are not Sam and Jr are needed. Finally Dad would be subjected to cross examination by the tabloid's attorney. Past interviews are admissible in court. Dad can't keep his story straight in interviews; what's the chances he'll survive testifying in court?

 

[Lady Reem]

Dad would have other problems with a libel suit. In a US proceeding Dad would have to prove what the tabloid wrote is not true. For example his not going to Meghan's first wedding he will have to produce the pictures proving he attended. The same for the stories about his faking the heart attack and surgery; he would have to produce the hospital records. Corroborating witnesses that are not Sam and Jr are needed. Finally Dad would be subjected to cross examination by the tabloid's attorney. Past interviews are admissible in court. Dad can't keep his story straight in interviews; what's the chances he'll survive testifying in court?

^^^ with the video footage or voice recordings of these interviews plus the existence of that other footage that disputes his version of Meghan living with him from a certain age right up until she left for college/uni

That man is a liar.

That's true of any real investigative journalist and I agree that none of Meghan's e(strange)d family would be able to stand a real journalist separating the wheat from the chaff in what these people spout out of their mouths.

They're playing to the tabloids that thrive on circus sideshows and leave real journalism to the professionals. Tabloid reporters don't check facts such as to when Facebook shares went public but print it anyways. We, here, have seen it debunked just by people that have common sense.

I think its a good idea to keep the caliber of the press that are thriving on these stories presented by the Markles and my grandmother's wise saying comes into play here. Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

DM letting him hang himself with his own petard and unlike a certain publication
they are not helping him with any clean up beforehand. He claims he wants to correct false information. The paper readily offered him a platform to do so. They quoted him and it’s a mighty stretch for some to suggest the paper made up the Facebook stuff they actually quoted him on. Defenders stretching the spin to absurd levels on Markle’s behalf. Had the publication gone with the usual anonymous source routine (which they usually do) then sure I’d query that myself.

And the availability of the ‘No Win No Fee legal specialists’ would make it even more difficult for a national newspaper to attribute a quote(s) falsely to an identified person. Or without backup recordings.

Furthermore, Markle already has a built up pattern of lies/contradictions/inconsistencies.

The only article that brings up the issue of verbal abuse, pretty good read:



https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-t...drama-helps-us-all?source=twitter&via=desktop


“Those who are regularly targeted often need to end all contact with the perpetrator to avoid re-traumatization.” When asked about critics of Meghan Markle’s alleged decision to cut ties with her father, Evans said, “Real parents don’t blackmail their children.”

I hope that Meghan is being advised by either a therapist or counselor. This is not about one side winning and the other losing in the eyes of the media but another person being verbally abused while the media forces the abused to continue being involved in an abusive relationship without having a safety zone. No matter if this is happening to Meghan or a Kardashian or someone who is not famous, this behavior is not ethical.

A challenging read for enablers, no doubt.

I don't suppose they care, at least the siblings obviously don't. They clearly dislike Meghan very much....

And Thomas Markle justified Samantha’s relentless vile bullying and even blamed Meghan for it
Unsurprising really, birds of a feather...

Thankfully Meghan has her mum Doria, a lady who also endures god-awful attacks from the foul Samantha on twitter

 

[Osipi]

We know the Markles are renowned by now for doing what is called "trash talk" against Meghan. Its their modus operandi. The play for attention and creating themselves to be somebody when actually, they're just people living on the same planet as everybody else is.

The big clue here is "trash". How many of us actually, on a daily basis most times, take out our trash? We get rid of it. I've yet to meet anyone that has chased after the trash collection truck demanding their trash back.

 

[Tarlita]

Chasing the garbage truck!
I can answer that. A few years ago a hubby thought he would do the right thing and have a clean out while his wife was in hospital. He threw out a small garbage bag from her wardrobe thinking it was trash. Instead it was $45,000 worth of her jewelry. Hidden cleverly she thought.
Yep he chased that garbage truck all right. I think he got it back in the nick of time. It was all over our tv news at the time.
Mere males are so hopeless at times you've gotta love em.

 

[Madame Verseau]

Meghan's so called Toronto trip has been debunked but the tabloids still run it including the Fail. Doria is going to have paparazzi chasing her until the rest of the month. Megan won't see Dad until he shuts up.

 

[Dman]

I really wish things were done differently leading up to the engagement and even after. I appreciate how Harry’s brother’s in-laws were brought in the royal fold without much fuss. Things were handled pretty badly with Mr. Markle from jump street.

 

[Osipi]

How could they have done anything different than what they did do? They offered Tom, Sr. the exact same courtesies that were offered to Doria. It was Tom, Sr. that refused the assistance. It was his choice to go his own way about things and made those choices of his own free will.

What were they supposed to do? Bind him in a straight jacket and lock him in the tower until the wedding day? No one could have predicted the man would go off the rails as much as he has.

 

[Dman]

How could they have done anything different than what they did do? They offered Tom, Sr. the exact same courtesies that were offered to Doria. It was Tom, Sr. that refused the assistance. It was his choice to go his own way about things and made those choices of his own free will.

What were they supposed to do? Bind him in a straight jacket and lock him in the tower until the wedding day? No one could have predicted the man would go off the rails as much as he has.

I just feel a lot of this mess could’ve been avoided with official invitations to come into the fold much early on. Before the engagement or just right after.

The thing is the fractures involved were very much underestimated by the royal couple, KP PR team, the royal media and royal watchers online.

One can try to ignore and dismiss the situation for right now, but if strong efforts aren’t made to heal some of these fractures, I’m telling you guys that things will get worse. The headlines will become more harsher. I agree with Royal Reporter, Richard Palmer. The fractures will upstage the Sussex milestones that’s coming.

It’s not too late to do whatever possible to put things on the right track and on a much better footing.

 

[M. Payton]

I really wish things were done differently leading up to the engagement and even after. I appreciate how Harry’s brother’s in-laws were brought in the royal fold without much fuss. Things were handled pretty badly with Mr. Markle from jump street.

Well all along some have stated that things should of been different with Sr.......so please glue me in how a plan to make things different then what was given to Doria? Shouldn't both have been treated as equals or is Sr more important as he is the father and what, fathers know best? I want a plan on specifics on how Sr should be treated? Details and ideas would be great for then we could have facts and maybe the facts that were in place were not good enough for Sr so he chose to do otherwise. How about the real deal in *facts* here.

And since we can not go back and change the *past* what would be appropriate now for this situation? After all it is Meghan's father and her choice on what to do, not ours here. You can lead a horse to water yet you can not make the horse drink the water.....same with Sr....he does what HE wants to do, not what anyone else wants him to do...not even those of us here.

 

[Osipi]

I sincerely believe that we don't know the whole picture. Meghan is the person that knows these people the best. Meghan and Harry did what they deemed appropriate at the time. No one could have predicted how severely the Markles would go off the rails with the press. Meghan most definitely was blindsided by these people.

Actually, I think too that the more this does continue with the e(strange)d family, the more its realized that there is a wide gulf between the Markles and Harry and Meghan and that they're two totally different entities. One bleating, mooing and cackling from the barnyard to the press and the other getting on with their lives and not playing into the rantings.

 

[jacqui24]

I just feel a lot of this mess could’ve been avoided with official invitations to come into the fold much early on. Before the engagement or just right after.

The thing is the fractures involved were very much underestimated by the royal couple, KP PR team, the royal media and royal watchers online.

One can try to ignore and dismiss the situation for right now, but if strong efforts aren’t made to heal some of these fractures, I’m telling you guys that things will get worse. The headlines will become more harsher. I agree with Royal Reporter, Richard Palmer. The fractures will upstage the Sussex milestones that’s coming.

It’s not too late to do whatever possible to put things on the right track and on a much better footing.

Two things:

1. In what way is he supposed to be brought in sooner? He knew the relationship before any of us did, and he did know about the engagement with the statement on behalf of her parents all ready. Advice and support were offered. What else are they supposed to do? By Tom's own account, Harry explained very clearly why talking to the press is a bad idea.

2. How do you propose to mend things at this point? Whatever Meghan chooses to do, I'll respect. However, I can't see communication between them start back up privately unless Tom stops talking publicly. Tom Markle is a ticking time bomb even if he goes silent. It's almost like he lacks self control. How many times have we heard him say this is his last interview, and a few days later he's talking again?

I sincerely believe that we don't know the whole picture. Meghan is the person that knows these people the best. Meghan and Harry did what they deemed appropriate at the time. No one could have predicted how severely the Markles would go off the rails with the press. Meghan most definitely was blindsided by these people.

I don't know if she was surprised by the Markles, but I think she definitely was blindsided by her father. The week of her wedding no less.

 

[AlowVera]

We have to remember we are talking about an adult man who has his own agency. He simply did things his own way and discounted anything his daughter told him. None of his bad decisions are Harry and Meghan's fault.

Hopefully in the future any communication will be done with a third party mediator or mental health professional. It is far better to look for ways to diffuse the situation than allow the Markles the opportunity to escalate the situation for profit.

As far as bringing Sr. into the fold that is impossible if he does not respect their privacy. Nothing could be done with a person who disregards boundaries.

Meghan was not under any obligation to invite those siblings who clearly have records with the law into the royal fold so that they could abuse and profit.

 

[wyevale]

how a plan to make things different then what was given to Doria?

1] A Marquessate for Markle Sr, and 'the Garter' obv, and the Royal Victorian Order for his other children..[along with the courtesy titles they will enjoy as children of a Marquess].
2] A prominent 'grace and favour' residence in the Palace [of their choice] for EACH of them..
3] RPO protection '24/7/365'...
4] Unfettered access to Duchy of Lancaster funds for the lot of them...

 

[Dman]

I’m just saying that if Mr. Markle was brought into the fold right after the engagement, perhaps he would understood this new world his daughter was getting married to. If you listen and read his interviews, the man talks like he have no basic understanding of the magnitude of what happened on May 19th. It’s like he’s just isolated and clueless.

 

[Zonk]

I’m just saying that if Mr. Markle was brought into the fold right after the engagement, perhaps he would understood this new world his daughter was getting married to. If you listen and read his interviews, the man talks like he have no basic understanding of the magnitude of what happened on May 19th. It’s like he’s just isolated and clueless.

IMO its clueless of his own making.

He knew before anyone did that Meghan was dating Harry and managed to keep it a secret. So it wasn't like he didn't have an inkling. And he was certainly privvy to the press nastiness that went on which resulted in KP's statement to leave Harry alone. So he can't say he didn't know who the press worked since they were bothering both him, Doria and Meghan He certainly knew enough to stage the shots.

It must have been very frustrating letting the press tell the world who and what you are without commenting and I certainly get that. But he didn't need to speak with TMZ without speaking to his daughter and son in law. What a massive betrayal. I will certainly concur that as Americans he certainly underestimated the interest of the British press (and to some extent the public) but he could have pulled back at any time INSTEAD he made himself more vulnerable by these constant "Last" interviews. Sadly, Tom has learned that you can't put the genie back into the bottle...especially after you have been paid to tell your secrets. Its open game now. He has learned (as others before him) that press can't be controlled. All of this is on him.

 

[JuliannaVictoria]

I've been trying to stay out of the discussion on the DoS' father, however, Dman I'm not sure what else they could have done. He was offered the same support as Ms. Ragland. He declined. What were they supposed to do? Go to Mexico and force a meeting between him and Harry? That probably would not have gone over well. Kidnap him and put him on a plane to London? That would mean a bigger mess now than what we have.

As Wyvale said, and I'm paraphrasing, should he have been given "better" or "more" accommodations than Doria? I'm sorry, but he's a parent, and any loving parent would not be doing this. Yes, he should have met Harry prior to the engagement, however, from his own mouth, he declined for whatever reason.

Personally, and this is just my opinion: I think that he played Harry and Meghan the entire time. I believe that he has been in this mess with Sam from the beginning, and that he pushed for Sam to be invited to the wedding, and when Meghan didn't budge, the whole events of leading up to wedding surfaced.

 

[AlowVera]

I’m just saying that if Mr. Markle was brought into the fold right after the engagement, perhaps he would understood this new world his daughter was getting married to. If you listen and read his interviews, the man talks like he have no basic understanding of the magnitude of what happened on May 19th. It’s like he’s just isolated and clueless.

His own words "Daddy just get on the plane" he stated that had everything set up for him. I just can't accept his claims of be some befuddled man when he has TMZ on speed dial. He listened to the person who was setting up to take pictures in alley ways when Meghan had already set up a real fitting in Beverly Hills. Meghan can't stop him from listening and acting on awful advice. She can't even keep him from dishing the latest news to Sam who then sells the info to the tabloids.

Meghan has every right to protect herself and her husband from toxic and hostile family members.

 

[jacqui24]

I’m just saying that if Mr. Markle was brought into the fold right after the engagement, perhaps he would understood this new world his daughter was getting married to. If you listen and read his interviews, the man talks like he have no basic understanding of the magnitude of what happened on May 19th. It’s like he’s just isolated and clueless.

Brought in how? He was well aware of what's going on throughout the relationship. He lacks understanding of the magnitude of what happened because he doesn't seem to be capable of seeing the big picture in a number of things he's talked about. In all of this, all he cared about was his "image". Nevermind the fact that his daughter faces unfair criticism everyday of her life and cannot respond. He gives those that want to see her fail more chances to speak ill of her every time he speaks.

 

[Heavs]

If they'd handled him differently there would be complaints from other quarters as well. If he was put up in a hotel or estate for weeks before the wedding, there would be complaints about special treatment for Meghan as opposed to other brides and about taxpayers money (even if it was entirely private money). And at that point he probably wouldn't want to give up his life for a long time, despite his whining about not being given Royal perks and attention now. She had his "trousseau" ready to go and in his own words Harry offered military friends to literally and emotionally hold his hand on the plane and sort everything out for him but he still waffled publicly on coming until that Wednesday.

Nor does it seem he was a particular problem before the explosive week before the wedding. The fact that he deliberately talked to TMZ and not Meghan and admits not picking up her distraught calls to see what was going on shows he knew what he was doing was something that would upset his daughter and he deliberately did it anyway. Same with PM etc interviews, all planned out in advance and deliberately not telling his daughter, but waving off the idea that she and her husband might be upset, he knew what he was doing. Now he's gone off the deep end on the attacks because his manipulations, threats and pleas aren't working and he can't have it all his own way. So I don't think they could have handled this very differently.


Re: The already debunked North American trip, what do you bet that that's his next interview, whining that Meghan was so close to him but didn't visit? Even though it's doubtful she's in the US and even if she is, she's under no obligation to visit, especially because there's no way he wouldn't be on the phone to PM the second she said she was coming.

 

[Dman]

I don’t know, but it just appear like Mr. Markle is running around like a chicken with his head cut off.

I know I’m talking about two different families born and raised in two different worlds, but if you watch the Middleton’s conduct their daily lives, they conduct themselves in the manner in which they are fully aware of the world their daughter and sister married into on the 29th of April, 2011. The Markles don’t appear to have grasped this reality. It’s like they see it has a Hollywood type of life. No basic understanding of the royal institution and the massive weight that’s now of Meghan’s shoulders.

If they understood this, they would be focused on supporting Meghan and keeping the media at arms length.

 

[Mbruno]

I don't understand what posters here mean by Mr Markle "being brought into the fold". After she got married, Meghan ceased to be a member of the Markle family and became a member of the House of Windsor. Surely you cannot expect her father (or her mother for that matter) to join the Royal House too, can you ?



When reading this forum, I am actually reminded of the days of Marie Antoinette, a princess of the blood herself who, nonetheless, upon crossing the French border, had to dispose of all her Austrian clothes to get into French ones (or so says the legend !).