Relationships between Members of the Spanish Royal Family


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The key words are 'According to Vanitatis' ;)

Contrary to what one might think, Vanitatis is a reliable site with good sources. They sometimes bring you first-hand news.
I sometimes exchange messages via Twitter with a Vanitatis journalist, so I know they can be trusted. :flowers:
 
Contrary to what one might think, Vanitatis is a reliable site with good sources. They sometimes bring you first-hand news.
I sometimes exchange messages via Twitter with a Vanitatis journalist, so I know they can be trusted. :flowers:

You may think so, but it is still a gossip website that publishes a lot of gossip and makes a lot of mistakes, and that takes advantage of the work of many anonymous Internet forum users.

The journalist who writes this is based in Barcelona, and talks mainly about Cristina and Urdangarín... so if her information comes from that circle, it's not like we can expect positive comments about Letizia either.:whistling:
 
Even if it's true, what is wrong about that? I see my MIL much less frequent than my husband does, she's his mother not mine, perfectly ok that the son (and the grandchildren) are the main contact points.
When I look around with friends and colleagues, this is the way that almost everybody deals with their in-laws.
 
Even if it's true, what is wrong about that? I see my MIL much less frequent than my husband does, she's his mother not mine, perfectly ok that the son (and the grandchildren) are the main contact points.
When I look around with friends and colleagues, this is the way that almost everybody deals with their in-laws.
I certainly agree. Plus I saw my own mother certainly more and talked to her on the phone much more frequently than my husband did. This article might just want to start a bit of stirring trouble and people fall for it because they fancy a bit of stress about others. JMO
 
Not sure what new information or perspective that article is sharing!

Nothing new other than last month in Athens that Letizia seems to have mended fences with her mother in law and Crown Princess Marie-Chantal!
 
Nothing new other than last month in Athens that Letizia seems to have mended fences with her mother in law and Crown Princess Marie-Chantal!

I am sure it was arranged, the last thing the family needed was the focus on the quarrel between Letizia and MC. Those photos were shutting down the talk.

Same at the first outing after the Mallorca incident, they arranged a public appearance where Letizia opened the car door for her MIL, as gesture of submission to calm the press, when visiting JC in hospital.
 
I am sure it was arranged, the last thing the family needed was the focus on the quarrel between Letizia and MC. Those photos were shutting down the talk.



Same at the first outing after the Mallorca incident, they arranged a public appearance where Letizia opened the car door for her MIL, as gesture of submission to calm the press, when visiting JC in hospital.
100% agreed.
 
Nothing new other than last month in Athens that Letizia seems to have mended fences with her mother in law and Crown Princess Marie-Chantal!

I am sure it was arranged, the last thing the family needed was the focus on the quarrel between Letizia and MC. Those photos were shutting down the talk.

Same at the first outing after the Mallorca incident, they arranged a public appearance where Letizia opened the car door for her MIL, as gesture of submission to calm the press, when visiting JC in hospital.

I really do think the relationship between Letizia and Sofia is a good and warm one. A few issues here and there, but nothing substantive. The Mallorca incident was years ago, and any issues between them would have bee long since resolved.
 
I think their relationship is professional and has always been (apart from very early days when Letizia had not understood what was going on in the family), Mallorca was unfortunate because Letizia lost control in public. But I don't blame her, I don't love my MIL either but make do with her, same as most people I know.
But I am not in the public eye and nobody speculates about it.
 
I think that Letizia and Sofia's relationship is cordial, they are not the best of friends but they seem to have gotten closer lately. Letizia has a better relationship with her mother-in-law than with her sisters-in-law.
Felipe adores his mother and he must have been the bridge between mother-in-law and daughter-in-law.
 
I see Letizia closer to Sofia as well. But honestly I don’t see why many people believe the fault lies only with Letizia. They are for sure very different people, but we know very little in the end.

How do we know instead of the cold relationship between Letizia and Elena&Cristina? What happened?
 
I think that Letizia and Sofia's relationship is cordial, they are not the best of friends but they seem to have gotten closer lately. Letizia has a better relationship with her mother-in-law than with her sisters-in-law.
Felipe adores his mother and he must have been the bridge between mother-in-law and daughter-in-law.

Letizia's tenure as queen has been for the most part in Sofia's shadow and that ought to be uncomfortable for her.

Many people in Spain, especially some right-wing conservatives, frown upon Letizia because of her humble family origin and because she was a professional woman, divorced, allegedly a republican and an atheist, etc. etc. She is also seen as a "modern", progressive woman, which also annoys some conservatives.

In many ways, Sofia is the opposite to Letizia: politically and socially conservative, religious, with an impeccable family tree (a King's daughter descending from the Danish, British, Prussian, Hanoverian, and Russian royal houses), and was even willing to put up with an unfaithful husband for the sake of the Crown. Inevitably we see many Spaniards often comparing the two queens, from the way they dress and the jewelry they wear to how they behave in public events, state visits, etc. In those comparisons, many Spaniards are unkind to Letizia on social media saying she lacks manners, is not fit to be a queen, is rude and arrogant, or is simply not a "true queen" like Sofia, that Felipe should have chosen a better bride etc. etc.

If you were in Letizia's shoes, wouldn't you be hurt or at least annoyed by those recurring comments? I can't help thinking that might have an impact on her relationship with her mother-in-law.
 
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Mbruno....I agree with your post. Plus, let's face it, Sofia certainly could have help stop quite a lot of the comparisons and nasty comments in quiet, sophisticated and subtle ways.
 
In public, Sofia has always been an actress for the good of the monarchy. Her stoic smile is legandary. I don't think L and S have anything in common apart from business and keep a happy distance in private. Sofia has always kept her own circle where Letizia would neither have nor seek access.
In all these years as Princess, we have never seen any public support of Sofia for her DIL, unlike in other royal houses (eg Beatrix - Maxima), and there is no need to repeat that L was thrown under the bus by the family multiple times.
I think once Letizia realized what was going on in the family, the relations soured and became really difficult when Sofia sided with her daughters.
And Felipe in the middle, poor guy. They have to work together professionally and keep up a relationship for the granddaughters.
 
I think its unfair to way the media like to compare Letizia to her mother in law.Both are very different in age /background traditions.

However they both have a common goal which is the preservation for the Monarchy and insuring its survival at all costs.
 
This week ¡HOLA! brings an extensive report on Queen Sofia.
¡HOLA! spoke with people close to Queen Sofia, who reveal what her current relationship with King Juan Carlos is like:“They had a great love story, no matter how much they insist on saying otherwise. Don Juan Carlos was the love of his life, the father of his children, and then another stage came. And it's not that she swallowed everything, it's that she was married to the King of Spain. He is now a great friend whom she is very fond of, but she will never take off her wedding ring".

Queen Sofia adores all her grandchildren, but has a special admiration for Leonor. The Princess of Asturias adores Doña Sofía and is always looking forward to visiting her to catch up, to tell her stories from when she was young or to review albums.

Paloma Rocasolano, who became a very close person. Dona Sofía and Dona Letizia's mother have a good relationship and like to share secret plans, sometimes with their granddaughters.

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_e...a-sofia-85-cumpleanyos-planes-relacion-hijos/
 
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I already had thought that there are small steps to see that the family relations are beginning to become more normal (carefully phrased).
I just noticed these articles about the topic.
 
Infanta Elena has carried out some Official duties since 2014.
Now whether she is close to her brother and sister in law I don't know and I have not seen any interactions between them in public.
I cannot see Infanta Cristina carrying out anything Official on behalf of the Crown.
 
The websites have to write something so that people visit their websites... year after year, around this time, when Elena presides that event that is the only one she has held for years, they write these headlines again and nothing changes.

Despite the effort to show themselves in the press as the "parallel royal family" attending weddings and events and giving exclusives to Hola ... the role of Elena and Cristina is not going to change because legally they are not the Royal Family, another thing is that after the end of the condemnation of Urdangarín and the divorce, Cristina is more publicly visible. In the same way that Juan Carlos visits Spain more often, and his visits are becoming less and less newsworthy... and everything would be better if Juan Carlos didn't have so many sycophants around him whose attitude harms his image more than it benefits it.

Time has passed, the family gathering for Leonor's 18th birthday was the turning point, the first big family gathering with Felipe as head of family, role that was also clear at the funeral of his cousin Fernando. While Juan Carlos mixed the public and private without setting limits, Felipe marks those limits very clearly. I think the more distant family has already understood it, but not the close family who seem to still be determined to maintain a leading role in the media... and with that attitude the only thing they are achieving is that the young people of the family are increasingly more exposed and more persecuted by the press.
 
Is Sofia jr. expected to participate in some way in the future? Since her aunt Elena has been pushed out - more so than JC did with his sisters- the same will happen to her in a few decades. Why would she participate at all if this is the icy treatment she can expect?
 
I recall there was a gathering for Infanta Elena's 60th birthday last December ,which was really nice to see!
There was also a Christmas photo a few years back of Elena and her children at Zarzuela.
 
Is Sofia jr. expected to participate in some way in the future? Since her aunt Elena has been pushed out - more so than JC did with his sisters- the same will happen to her in a few decades. Why would she participate at all if this is the icy treatment she can expect?
While her father is King she will legally be a member of the Royal Family, when her sister is queen, as established by current laws, she will not... but those laws can change.

Last week, Jaime Alfonsín, former Head of the King's Household and Felipe's secretary for decades, spoke about this topic at a conference and I think he outlined how they see the future. He pointed out that it is important that Sofía receives an education at the level of her sister, and that serving the Crown is not compatible with working in a private company (like Elena and Cristina who work in social work for foundations but for private companies).
 
I was not thinking of an official role etc but that they are more on speaking terms as before, on a family level, especially re Cristian.
And yes, the life choices of Elenas children does not help (model/influencer and Granddads caretaker).
 
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I was not thinking of an official role etc but that they are more on speaking terms as before, on a family level, especially re Cristian.
And yes, the life choices of Elenas children does not help (model/influencer and Granddads caretaker).
Well Felipe is out of sight and out of trouble which is always good and and Victoria is no different to the Kent granddaughters who do the same but it would be nice to see her with a career.
 
While her father is King she will legally be a member of the Royal Family, when her sister is queen, as established by current laws, she will not... but those laws can change.

Last week, Jaime Alfonsín, former Head of the King's Household and Felipe's secretary for decades, spoke about this topic at a conference and I think he outlined how they see the future. He pointed out that it is important that Sofía receives an education at the level of her sister, and that serving the Crown is not compatible with working in a private company (like Elena and Cristina who work in social work for foundations but for private companies).
Thanks lula, what does that mean in practice?
At first she will be preprared / work for the Crown as long as Felipe is King, lets say another 30 years. By then Sofia will be almost 50 years old. After that, there has to be a cut from the Crown to allow her to make her own living?
That sounds very difficult in reality.
 
Thanks lula, what does that mean in practice?
At first she will be preprared / work for the Crown as long as Felipe is King, lets say another 30 years. By then Sofia will be almost 50 years old. After that, there has to be a cut from the Crown to allow her to make her own living?
That sounds very difficult in reality.
So long as Sofia is the daughter of the Monarch is my guess,what happens after that remains to be seen.
Ofcourse a lot can happen between now and then.
 
Thanks lula, what does that mean in practice?
At first she will be preprared / work for the Crown as long as Felipe is King, lets say another 30 years. By then Sofia will be almost 50 years old. After that, there has to be a cut from the Crown to allow her to make her own living?
That sounds very difficult in reality.
I think it means that if you are an active member of the Royal Family, you cannot also work in the private sphere. So maybe the goal is for Sofía to have a good education and a deep sense of public service, and that in the future this qualifies her to work in a public institution, so that work can be compatible with supporting her sister.

Jaime Alfonsín was a state lawyer, the first of his class, and held positions in the public administration at a very young age. He then went on to work in the private sector, and he gave up a brilliant career in which he would earn a lot of money to work for the Royal House.

Infanta Cristina with her university studies could have done something like that, but in the end she ended up in a private foundation, where it was easier to advance for being who she was and earn more money.
 
Thanks Lula. I am curious if 'education at the level of her sister' means that Sofia will do a military training first before university.
 
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