Prince of Wales - Title, Succession and Wales

[Tatiana Maria]

This seems relevant to this thread as well:

No plans for Prince William to be invested as Prince of Wales, according to the BBC .

 

[SLV]

This seems relevant to this thread as well:

That is a pity. [emoji17]
Though I understand the controversy around it, if he did.

 

[An Ard Ri]

English Princes of Wales From 1301:
Edward (son of Edward I and Eleanor of Castile)
Created Prince of Wales on 1st February 1301, aged 16, in Lincoln. Acceded as Edward II on 8th June 1307

Edward (son of Edward III and Philippa of Hainault)
Created Prince of Wales on 12th May 1343, aged 12, at Westminster
Died on 8th June 1376

Richard (son of Edward, Prince of Wales and Joan of Kent)
Created Prince of Wales on 20th November 1376, aged nine, at Havering
Acceded as Richard II on 22nd June 1377

Henry (son of Henry IV and Mary de Bohun)
Created Prince of Wales on 15th October 1399, aged 12, at Westminster
Acceded as Henry V on 20th March 1413

Edward (son of Henry VI and Margaret of Anjou)
Created Prince of Wales on 15th March 1454, aged five months
Invested on 9th June 1454, at Windsor
Died on 4th May 1471

Edward (son of Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville)
Created Prince of Wales on 26th June 1471, aged seven months, at Westminster
Acceded as Edward V on 9th April 1483

Edward (son of Richard III and Anne of Warwick)
Created Prince of Wales on 24th August 1483, aged 10
Invested on 8th September at York Minster
Died on 9th April 1484

Arthur (eldest son of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York)
Created Prince of Wales on 29th November 1489, aged three
Invested on 27th February 1490, at Westminster
Died on 2nd April 1502

Henry (second son of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York)
Created Prince of Wales on 18th February 1504, aged 12, at Westminster
Acceded as Henry VIII on 22nd April 1509

Henry (eldest son of James I and Anne of Denmark)
Created Prince of Wales on 4th June 1610, aged 16, at Westminster
Died on 6th November 1612

Charles (second son of James I and Anne of Denmark)
Created Prince of Wales on 4th November 1616, aged 15, at Whitehall
Acceded as Charles I on 27th March 1625

Charles (son of Charles I and Henrietta Maria of France)
Declared Prince of Wales c. 1638-41, in London, aged c.8-11
Acceded as Charles II on 30th January 1649

James (son of James II and Mary of Modena)
Created Prince of Wales c. 4th July 1688, aged three weeks, at St James's
Forfeited title when James II was declared to have abdicated, on 11th December 1688

George (son of George I and Sophie Dorothea of Brunswick-Luneburg and Celle)
Created Prince of Wales on 27th September 1714, aged 30, at Westminster
Acceded as George II on 11th June 1727

Frederick (son of George II and Caroline of Brandenburg-Anspach)
Created Prince of Wales on 8th January 1729, aged 21, in London
Died on 20th March 1751

George (son of Frederick, Prince of Wales and Augusta of Saxe-Gotha)
Created Prince of Wales on 20th April 1751, aged 12, in London
Acceded as George III on 25th October 1760

George (son of George III and Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz)
Created Prince of Wales on 19th August 1762, aged one week, in London
Acceded as George IV on 29th January 1820

Albert Edward (son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert)
Created Prince of Wales on 8th December 1841, aged four weeks, in London
Acceded as King Edward VII on 22nd January 1901

George (son of King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra)
Created Prince of Wales on 9th November 1901, aged 36, in London
Acceded as King George V on 6th May 1910

Edward (son of King George V and Queen Mary)
Created Prince of Wales on 23rd June 1910, aged 16. Invested on 13th July 1911, at Caernarfon Castle
Acceded as King Edward VIII on 20th January 1936

Charles (son of Queen Elizabeth II and The Duke of Edinburgh)
Created Prince of Wales on 26th July 1958, aged nine; invested on 1st July 1969, at Caernarfon Castle.
Acceded as King Charles III on 8 September 2022

William (son of King Charles III and Diana, Princess of Wales)
On 9 September 2022, the King Charles III announced the creation of William as Prince of Wales

The future Edward VI was also Prince of Wales from 1537–1547

 

[Iluvbertie]

That is a pity. [emoji17]
Though I understand the controversy around it, if he did.

There is no need for an investiture, which was a 20th century invention and done for two very young men - one 17 and the other 20. In Charles' case it was also when he publicly swore his allegiance to his mother, Edward having already done so at the coronation of his father the month before.

William is a middle-aged man. He can make his homage at the coronation if Charles believes that such a sign is necessary (and I think that the homage will be a major part that will have to go to cut out over 2 hours from the late Queen's coronation service to get it down to the reported one hour Charles wants).

 

[SLV]

There is no need for an investiture, which was a 20th century invention and done for two very young men - one 17 and the other 20. In Charles' case it was also when he publicly swore his allegiance to his mother, Edward having already done so at the coronation of his father the month before.



William is a middle-aged man. He can make his homage at the coronation if Charles believes that such a sign is necessary (and I think that the homage will be a major part that will have to go to cut out over 2 hours from the late Queen's coronation service to get it down to the reported one hour Charles wants).

Ah, I didn't know it was a rather recent invention.
Make even more sense not to do so, then.

 

[muriel]

There is no need for an investiture, which was a 20th century invention and done for two very young men - one 17 and the other 20. In Charles' case it was also when he publicly swore his allegiance to his mother, Edward having already done so at the coronation of his father the month before.

William is a middle-aged man. He can make his homage at the coronation if Charles believes that such a sign is necessary (and I think that the homage will be a major part that will have to go to cut out over 2 hours from the late Queen's coronation service to get it down to the reported one hour Charles wants).

Ah, I didn't know it was a rather recent invention.
Make even more sense not to do so, then.

I agree, an investiture in Wales does not seem necessary.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

An explanation of the titles, some automatic and some not, held by the Prince of Wales, from the website of the previous Prince of Wales:

https://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/titles-and-heraldry#chapter-wrapper-5

Letters patent of creation for previous Princes of Wales, as the title is not automatic (note that the present Prince of Wales was "created" by a speech and no letters patent have been gazetted so far):

https://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/prince_highness_docs.htm#Wales

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The warrant signed by the King directing that the letters patent be issued.

I wonder how the change in wording from 'Kings' to 'Sovereigns' ought to be interpreted. Should we infer that King Charles III envisions future female heirs being created Princess of Wales, or is it merely a belated adoption of gender-neutral language for monarchs?

I am a bit surprised that the letters patent retained the wording 'Heads of the Commonwealth', given that by 2022 it was already evident that future British monarchs will not be automatically entited to that office.