Norway: Republic or monarchy?


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From time to time, the Norwegian political party SV (Socialist Left) raise the question of the Norwegian form of government – or more precisely, the question of monarchy vs. republic. They have it on their party programme that the question shall be raised once every elected term. (If I remember it right):whistling:


This was the case today, where the proposal came up for voting in Stortinget, the Norwegian parliament. 21 representatives voted in favour of changing it, whereas 106 representatives voted against, NTB reports. This is actually a decrease in 22.85% from four years ago, when 26 voted in favour of changing it, and 126 voted against.

Representative Djupedal from SV, pointed out that raising the question is a matter of principle, which has nothing to do with the way the royal family is performing their duties.

If it is up to the elected members of parliament, it seems that the Norwegian monarchy is standing quite strong.
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/politikk/article2439042.ece
 
You are correct

Yes, you are correct, SV has adopted the vote for republic in their party programme and their Swedish counterpart, Vensterpartiet has done the same.

Both parties enters the motion to abolish the Monarchy every year and I have heard from a friend who works for the government in Sweden that they bet on how many votes the motion gets from other parties.

It is a vaste of time in my opinion.:norwayflag:
 
Thomasine said:
Yes, you are correct, SV has adopted the vote for republic in their party programme and their Swedish counterpart, Vensterpartiet has done the same.

Both parties enters the motion to abolish the Monarchy every year and I have heard from a friend who works for the government in Sweden that they bet on how many votes the motion gets from other parties.

It is a vaste of time in my opinion.:norwayflag:
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It's honestly the sort of thing I don't want decided in Stortinget by a select few representatives. They gave us-... (Well, my great grandfathers and their fathers:whistling:) the right to choose which form of government in 1905, and I would like the same right now if the choice came up. .

I have a long list of opinions about SV and Djupedal, but given that it mostly has nothing to do with royalty, it's best to keep quiet. :rolleyes:
 
A recent article says that 40percent of Noways Parliament is in favor of a Monarchy? I've been wondering, why is the Monarchy not always viewed so favorably? I like all of the main Royal Family quite a bit but I must say, it does lack some magic. They dont always come across as royals.
 
:previous: Even when Princess Maud became Queen consort of King Haakon, the Norwegian court was quite low key and unpretentious. They were both true royals. In the current family the only true royal is King Harald. Both the CP and Princess Martha Louise are half commoners.
The next generation will be even more democratic, less royal.
Perhaps the Norwegians will decide in the future that there would be no need for them for a royal family since they would not be royal at all except for the titles...(JMHO):flowers:
 
Does anyone know how close the vote has EVER gotten to abolish the monarchy? I would be interested in that. Thanks in advance,
 
Patra said:
Does anyone know how close the vote has EVER gotten to abolish the monarchy? I would be interested in that. Thanks in advance,
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The Norwegian Royal House, the way it is nowadays, is very young.
It was founded in 1905.
I never heard anything about the monarchy being close to be abolished.

Princejohnny25 said:
A recent article says that 40percent of Noways Parliament is in favor of a Monarchy?
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No, it's the other way round.
[FONT=verdana, arial]4 out of 10 Representatives in Stortinget would rather opt for a Republic[/FONT]. So 60% are pro-monarchy.

(so, it's still more then , for example, in Sweden... there more then 50% of the members of the Parliament opt for a republic).

Princejohnny25 said:
it does lack some magic.
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Due to it's history the Norwegian monarchy never consisted of pomp and circumstances, like other monarchies (UK for example).
King Haakon was elected by the Norwegian people. He and his successors were always very dopwn-to-earth and never really pompous.
I think that is somehow what makes the Norwegian monarchy.
I always got the feeling that this is what the people in Norway value.
 
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Your right HM, I met Republic not Monarchy. oops.

I've always wondered if it was the laid back approach that the Norwegian people embraced in the Monarchy. I still feel it could use a bit more mystery. Its that unknown element of the monarchy that makes it alluring. I think the Danish court balances the perfect amount of mystic and openness.
However, I adore Haakon and MM and think they will make a great King and Queen.
 
Her_Majesty said:
The Norwegian Royal House, the way it is nowadays, is very young.
It was founded in 1905.
I never heard anything about the monarchy being close to be abolished.


No, it's the other way round.
[FONT=verdana, arial]4 out of 10 Representatives in Stortinget would rather opt for a Republic[/FONT]. So 60% are pro-monarchy.

(so, it's still more then , for example, in Sweden... there more then 50% of the members of the Parliament opt for a republic).


Due to it's history the Norwegian monarchy never consisted of pomp and circumstances, like other monarchies (UK for example).
King Haakon was elected by the Norwegian people. He and his successors were always very dopwn-to-earth and never really pompous.
I think that is somehow what makes the Norwegian monarchy.
I always got the feeling that this is what the people in Norway value.
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Every time and again.about election time,these poll burbs come-up in Norway,according to Dag Hoelseth on the SRMB.And I believe him.

It's a temporary and traditional hypelike thing popping up every 4 to 8 years or so.
Norway,btw,has the very least reason to complain in this so-called hyped up crisis.
It is such a wealthy country,"filthy rich" would be best to discribe it .The Monarchy has never been,and still isn't,in any serious danger.
Norway can best count it's blessings as it is a steady,prosperous and beautifull piece on the globe.
 
It's a temporary and traditional hypelike thing popping up every 4 to 8 years or so.
Norway,btw,has the very least reason to complain in this so-called hyped up crisis.
It is such a wealthy country,"filthy rich" would be best to discribe it .The Monarchy has never been,and still isn't,in any serious danger.
Norway can best count it's blessings as it is a steady,prosperous and beautifull piece on the globe.[/QUOTE]



I agree with you! But some staunch republicans keep on using this "too-much-money" theme for their cause, because there are not many other pros for them and it´s a sensitive matter to almost everyone:ermm:
 
The Royal House is more than symbolics in Norway. You can't compare it to i.e. Sweden.
 
I Love the fact that the Royal house is young and dynamic, breath of fresh air to the country. Absolutly love Queen Sonja and Princess Mette Marit. They get what the people want and feel
 
Two high-profile politicians representing the most staunchly monarchist parties in Norway have spoken out against the institution of royalty in a new book to be released on Tuesday. The outspoken deputy leader of the Progress Party (Fremskrittspartiet, FrP), Per Sandberg, said anyone concerned with democracy should be against the monarchy, while for the first time ever a Conservative (Høyre) politician, Trade Minister Monica Mæland, voiced support for a republic.

Sandberg also argued that what he sees as the increasing political involvement of Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit was cause for concern, especially because he claimed the royal couple was too left-leaning. “That just strengthens my position that we should not have a monarchy,” he said. “It will lead to more and more people becoming republicans. In that sense it is okay for me that the crown prince and princess become stronger, more visible and clearer on their political standpoint, because that will strengthen the argument we do not need a royal house.”
Politicians rise up against monarchy
 
These guys are just angry about the CP couple´s "left-socialist" ideas because these are against their own poltical (conservative) conviction.
The monarchy IS a democratic institution, as long as supported by a majority!
 
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I am surprised to see the Crown Princely couple drawing the ire of local politicians. If Crown Prince Haakon and his spouse crossed the line, they should be advised to tone down their stance.
 
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I´m not sure they would listen...? I assume they have very strong principles about certain issues they won´t allow others to interfere.
 
TBH I think that royals should stay away from most polemic things if they want to make the institute survive and serve a purpose. Since they need to be above party politics and debates and serve as a unifying element for a country, they should keep their opinions to themselves.
 
The Monarchy here in Norway is more popular than it has been for a long time, and it is popular support that counts. The monarchy has been debated several times, it's nothing new. King Harald, Queen Sonja, Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit enjoys big support in both the population and in the media. Several experts say that putting the monarchy on the agenda vill be political suicide. Haakon and Mette Marit has strong opinions, but has never interfered in political matters. The matter now is that some politicians has expressed themselves in a ridiculous book called republic of Norway.
 
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I´m not sure they would listen...? I assume they have very strong principles about certain issues they won´t allow others to interfere.
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Well ... Applying von Clausewitz, “If the enemy is to be coerced, you must put him in a situation that is even more unpleasant than the sacrifice you call on him to make". If and when any stance of Crown Prince Haakon and Crown Princess Mette-Marit were really and truly to undermine the institution, they could be given choices, in which toning down the very strong principles would be the least of two evils. Fortunately Norway is a stable country that gives the couple in question a considerable latitude.
 
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I hope that the monarchy is not undermined because of this controversy.

Long live the monarchy. :flowers:
 
No, the popularity of the monarchy is very strong here. There are not many who take this book or per sanberg very seriously.
 
Marengo said:
TBH I think that royals should stay away from most polemic things if they want to make the institute survive and serve a purpose. Since they need to be above party politics and debates and serve as a unifying element for a country, they should keep their opinions to themselves.
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I admit I´m very happy about the humanitarian (and that´s in fact what it is, it´s NOT party political) work and principles of Haakon and Mette-Marit!
I think a monarchy who just opens hospital wings and cuts ribbons serves no cause and is without substance.
I agree there is a very thin line. But this line has never been crossed, and both H and MM seem to be very sensibel about that.
Of course they never should support a certain party, but they never did that.
The role itself (especially as a monarch - or president of a republic) is a leading one. You can´t lead by being neutral about everything!
If they don´t want a leader at all, the role of head of state must be abolished altogether, no matter royal or republican. Also republican presidents whithout political power speak their minds from time to time. It is even expected of them!
 
NRK 82% supports the monarchy, VG 65% supports the monarchy.
 
The nrk poll shows record high support, the vg poll is usually between 60 and 70%. Vg has been very critical of Mette Marits spending and Haakons birthday party, but has stated that they suport the monarchy.
 
What was wrong in their opinion with Haakons very modest birthday party?!
 
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