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I don't understand this whole name-change thing. Prince Charles has been Charles for 60 years. Why would anyone want to change their name after using it for so long? It's part of their identity. Can you imagine the confusion it would cause in the media not to mention boards like thisif he started going by a different name all of a sudden? I hope he keeps his name. It's a nice regal sounding name and he's the only one amongst the current monarchies using that name. So it's distinctive.
Lilibet and Bertie were nicknames mostly used within the family so that was different.
I read somewhere that he doesn't really like his regnal name to be Charles because of the not so pleasant destinies of CharlesI & II.
Charles I was executed and Charles II had no legitimate children, but acknowledged a dozen by seven mistresses. He also lived in exile..
True but wasn't Charles I the one who was beheaded by his people because of the English people threw him off the throne? Maybe Charles doesn't want to be associated in any wayMirabel said:But just about every king's name has negative aspects!
MRSJ said:True but wasn't Charles I the one who was beheaded by his people because of the English people threw him off the throne? Maybe Charles doesn't want to be associated in any way
But just about every king's name has negative aspects!
George III went mad, for example.
Henry IV had a horrible skin disease, possibly even leprosy.
Edward II was imprisoned and possibly murdered.
So was Richard II.
William II was killed by an arrow (possibly murdered).
If you rule out every name as unlucky, what's left?
Albert wasn't really a "King" name, just Victoria's husband. Perhaps Edward VI thought it wasn't really English?
I suspect that Victoria expected EVERY British prince to carry the name Albert from her children forward into infinity (all her sons had Albert as one of their given names), and I am certain that she expected Bertie to reign as Albert I.
I believe that he chose to reign as Edward partly to thwart her ambitions in that direction, and because, frankly, he hadn't had a really great relationship with his father.
Victoria and Albert definitely had the plan to have the name Albert and Victoria in the name of all their direct descendants. I have never seen any mention, however, that either one of them thoughy Edward would rule as Albert when King. And from what I understand, Edward didn't have a great relationship with his father because they had two different schools of thought (one carefree and the other serious) in how they lived. I have never heard that they disliked each other or that Albert was a bad father.
George is the most popular name among British princes. 21 one prince was christened as George. Other popular names include Frederick (20 princes, though there has never been King Frederick), William (19 princes) and Albert (15 princes, all named after Queen Victoria's husband).
Mary is the most popular name among British princesses by birth. Other popular names include Louise and Victoria.
Someone said that the name John is regarded as unfortunate and that Diana's request to name her son John was rejected because of this superstition. Could anyone explain why?
Also, how do they determine how many names a royal child should have? I noticed that Queen Victoria was not very extravagant when she christened her eldest son. He was christened simply "Albert Edward". Most children of George III had only one name (though it was always strange to me that one of his daughters was Princess Augusta Sophia, while the other one was Princess Sophia). Others have (had) up to four names.
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The monarch's regnal name is his or her royal prerrogative. The first monarch on British Isles who chose to reign under a name that was not his first name was King Robert III of Scotland. In fact, he was baptized as John, but chose to reign as Robert III due to the unpopularity of the name John (he wished to avoid being called John II, as recognition of John de Balliol's kingship would weaken the Bruce claim to the throne).
The prerrogative was used again four centuries later, when Princess Alexandrina Victoria ascended as Queen Victoria. Only 3 monarchs have used a baptismal name other than their first given name as their regnal name, and they all used their last given name, coincidentally:
Does anyone know why Queen Victoria chose to reign as Victoria and not as Alexandrina Victoria? Did she use only the name Victoria during her childhood or did she drop the name Alexandrina upon accession? Since she had no monarchical ordinal, "Queen Alexandrina Victoria" would've sounded much more glorius than simply "Queen Victoria".
- Alexandrina Victoria > Victoria
- Albert Edward > Edward VII
- Albert Frederick Arthur George > George VI
Peter is unusual name for the British Royal Family as well.
Here is a brief summary of the first holders of several names (usually first names) in the English/British Royal Family. If I’ve added “need to re-check this” next to the names, it means I am not entirely sure they were actually the very first Royals with the name and will have to make further research to verify it.
Eleanor - the first English Royal with the name was Eleanor of Aquitaine, the wife of Henry II
Arthur - The first English "Prince Arthur" was the son of Prince Geoffrey (middle son of Henry II and Eleanor of Aquitaine). He was supposed to succeed Richard I, however Richard was instead succeeded by John I
Berengaria - the first English Princess (Queen) with the name of Richard I's wife (need to re-check this)
Elizabeth - The first Princess with this name was the youngest daughter of Edward I of England
Geoffrey - the name of Empress Matilda's husband was Geoffrey. Their son, Henry, would become King of England following King Stephen's death. Geoffrey's nickname would become the name of the new dynasty - Plantagenet
Margaret - The first Princess with that name was Margaret of France, the second wife of Edward I (need to re-check this)
Matilda - The first English Royal with the name was Matilda of Flanders, the wife of William the Conqueror.
Richard - I believe the first English Royal with this name was Richard I. It is rumoured that Eleanor of Aquitaine named him after her first love and that was the reason she favoured him above all her other children.
Robert - William the Conqueror's eldest son was the first English Royal with that name
Stephen - the first member of the English Royal Family with the name was Stephen, Count of Blois, the husband of Adela of England (William the Conqueror's daughter) and father of King Stephen.
Adela - the name of William the Conqueror's daughter
Blanche - the first member of the English Royal Family with the name was Blanche of Lancaster, the first wife of John of Gaunt and mother of Henry IV of England
Anne - although several Princesses bore Anne among their names, the first English Royal with Anne as her first name Anne Boleyn (I will need to re-check this though), Henry VIII's second wife and mother of Elizabeth I
Jane - The first English Royal with the name was Jane Seymour, Henry VIII's third wife and mother of Edward VI
Lionel - the first British Prince with the name was the third son of Edward III
Philippa - the first English Royal with the name was Edward III's wife, Philippa of Hainault (need to re-check this)
Gytha - the first English Royal with the name was Gytha of Wessex, King Harold II Godwinson's daughter, who married Vladimir II Monomakh
Royal Fan said:Question on this thread Hes Prince Harry on the one for him finding a wife Prince Henry why cant we call the man by his Birth name![]()
Lumutqueen said:It's true that most people call him Harry, however Royal Fan is right the forums are named differently. Maybe the MODS could pick one or the other. Like before Kate became Catherine, her threads were all Kate. Now they are all Catherine.
Victoria was the Roman goddess of Victoria and (according to both my index of names books, and Wikipedia), appears in 17 Indo-European languages. Wikipedia's list of famous Victorias doesn't have any in Britain before Queen Victoria.
But, knowing the extensive knowledge of people on this board, perhaps someone knows of a British Victoria (as a non-royal name) before Queen Victoria?
There have been so many Victorias since the Queen, it's hard to imagine that the name was new to Britain when she was given it; but it could very well be the case.
Any experts on naming in the 18th century?
Well, we know that William's family used to call him "Wills" but never in public. When he was born he was presented to us as "Prince William", and William he has stayed.Question on this thread Hes Prince Harry on the one for him finding a wife Prince Henry why cant we call the man by his Birth name![]()
Wasn't Victoria named for her mother? She was a royal princess of German blood and maybe Victoria was the first British princess to be given that name but there might have been other Continental royals who were named Victoria.
When Prince Harry's name was announced, HRH Prince Henry Charles Albert David of Wales, it was made clear that he would be "known as" Harry.
I have to admit that generally it gives me the screaming irrits but, in this case, it happened over 25 years ago so why get bent out of shape about it?See, I don't get that.
Speaking as a person who loathes nicknames, I never see the point of giving someone a name and then calling that person something else!
You actually want the BRF to do something boringly normal? Are you NUTS? What would we have to talk about on the forums? Get with the programme . . . . . David/Edward, Albert/George!If the BRF wanted to call him Harry, then why not just name him Harry? Why name him Henry at all?