Harry and Meghan: Relationship Musings

[Osipi]

I think one of the major issues of where to hold the royal wedding will be the safety and security around having a happy, joyous and celebratory day with also being able to keep the area around it secure. This will be an event that will be announced as to where, when and what time it will be held quite a bit in advance and that adds to the time the not so nice folks out there have to plan something totally dastardly to foil the happy day. British security forces are far more on high alert these days than the days when Edward married Sophie or even when William married Kate. It was quite noticeable this year even at Ascot.

It just makes sense to me that security would be far more able to secure the venue and the route in Windsor than for what we've seen previously with a Westminster Abbey wedding. There are some surprising things that we definitely don't want to see with a royal wedding.

 

[Denville]

well she can do whatever she likes. But if it doesn't work out that well for her, no point In whining about it or having her friends whine about it. The media is interested in a story, and I don't believe that they are that interested in Suits or whatever her show is called.. in the UK what they are interested in is her romance with Harry.

 

[Sister Morphine]

well she can do whatever she likes. But if it doesn't work out that well for her, no point In whining about it or having her friends whine about it. The media is interested in a story, and I don't believe that they are that interested in Suits or whatever her show is called.. in the UK what they are interested in is her romance with Harry.

Well, yes, I can see why that would be of greater interest to them considering Harry is a royal prince and Suits (that's the name of her show) does not air in the UK, I don't believe. She'd obviously have a higher profile there as his girlfriend than as an actress if her TV show isn't shown there.

As for your comment about "whining," I don't believe she's done anything of the sort, nor have her friends, and from what I've read about her prior to her VF interview, she doesn't strike me as the type of woman to do much whining anyway, should her relationship with Harry not end the way they'd like.

 

[Osipi]

well she can do whatever she likes. But if it doesn't work out that well for her, no point In whining about it or having her friends whine about it. The media is interested in a story, and I don't believe that they are that interested in Suits or whatever her show is called.. in the UK what they are interested in is her romance with Harry.

The romance is the biggest draw right now for both Harry and Meghan. There's media outside of the UK too and they're all going to put their own unique perspective on things. When we think about it, the UK, the US and Canada could say they have a vested interest in this relationship. I do agree that Suits wouldn't be of any more interest to the UK as a rule than Coronation Street would be for an American audience.

 

[Cocoasneeze]

I've read many comments from people in UK, who actually are interested in meghan as a person. Sure, they may have found out about her through Harry, but are intrigued about her now, not just her relationship with Harry.

Priyanka has even before corrected interviews when they called her 'Harry's girlfriend', and I think it's great. This relationship is built of and by two individuals, and trying to erase what makes Meghan her won't work.

 

[jacqui24]

well she can do whatever she likes. But if it doesn't work out that well for her, no point In whining about it or having her friends whine about it. The media is interested in a story, and I don't believe that they are that interested in Suits or whatever her show is called.. in the UK what they are interested in is her romance with Harry.

She's not whining about it. The only person that's said anything is Priyanka Chopra, and Priyanka is certainly capable of having her own opinion. In fact, this is the same sentiment she expressed during an interview with Wendy Williams earlier this year, and that's a in the moment type of thing. I think this is also in line with Priyanka's outspokenness regarding gender issues.

The only whining in this whole thing is the media about how Meghan and Harry took issues with their reporting as if it's only privacy that was in question in November. Another point here is that we and media do NOT have equal rights to their privacy as they do. What they choose to share is their choice, doesn't give the rights to infringe on their privacy.

I think Meghan is well aware that she has a much higher profile now than before this romance came out, but what is she supposed to do? Hide her house? She'll go about her business the best she can.

 

[jacqui24]

Oh, I hope not!
I really think a wedding at St. George's is rather dreary, compared to the Abbey.
Besides, circumstances are different for Edward and Harry!

Edward was more obscure; he has never had Harry's high profile, or his popularity. Plus, Edward and Sophie had been together so long that the actual wedding was a bit of an anti-climax.

I just think there's far more interest in Harry and Meghan.
He doesn't have to have a wedding that is smaller than William's.
But why NOT a similar wedding?

That reminds me, was Edward a full time working royal at that time? That could also make a difference. The reason I'm not assuming he was is because he had his own production company as a for profit business venture and that doesn't seem in line with the royal family not getting involved with commercialism. However, if they aren't full time royals, they are expected to work for their money i.e. the York princesses.

 

[Denville]

Edward was't a working royal at the time. In addition, he was the youngest of 4 children and the RF was at the time still recovering from the unpopularity of the 90s, and Diana's death. So a low key ceremony and his children not using royal titles was probably a response to that. I don't think the public would have been keen on a large scale ceremony in London etc then. Not sure how they will react to a possible marriage between H and Meghan, a lot will depend on her. but she and Harry will be expected to be full time royals so her working on her own account probably wont happen, and they will almost certainly marry in London. But it depends how big a ceremony the RF feels is appropriate.

 

[jacqui24]

Edward was't a working royal at the time. In addition, he was the youngest of 4 children and the RF was at the time still recovering from the unpopularity of the 90s, and Diana's death. So a low key ceremony and his children not using royal titles was probably a response to that. I don't think the public would have been keen on a large scale ceremony in London etc then. Not sure how they will react to a possible marriage between H and Meghan, a lot will depend on her. but she and Harry will be expected to be full time royals so her working on her own account probably wont happen, and they will almost certainly marry in London. But it depends how big a ceremony the RF feels is appropriate.

I think Edward's children not using HRH has more to do with the fact that they wouldn't expected to be working royals than the issues in the 90s. But that's a different discussion.

However, you are very right about why they married at St. George's instead.

 

[Denville]

Possibly. But Harry will be a working royal and so will his wife and probably their children. So It will be a big wedding - if there isn't a feeling that the public wont go for a big ceremony.

 

[jacqui24]

Possibly. But Harry will be a working royal and so will his wife and probably their children. So It will be a big wedding - if there isn't a feeling that the public wont go for a big ceremony.

You really think their children, if it gets that far, will be working royals? I would think Harry and his future wife would be, but always thought his children would be like his cousins.

 

[Denville]

I don't know.. its a long way in the future. But it depends on what William wants when HE Is king, or what the requrments will be for the RF. It seems at present as if Charles is planning to keep the RF slim and fit, just himlsef, his consort and his 2 sons and their wives. Later on, I suppose it will depend on what the public expect and what William would like to do. And of course it may well be that in later years, there will be more flexibility, as there is in continental RF's.. that a prince or princess can "drop out" and work in a Career and only do occasional royal duties.

 

[AlowVera]

One thing keeps standing out for me in all of this. The reality of this relationship is that the British are only half of the equation in this case. Not everything is geared to how the BRF does things. Not everything is geared towards the British public. Not everything is dependent on the BRF itself. It is a major part of the equation but not all of it.

I do agree that if and when Meghan does marry Harry, its his lifestyle and his family that she is going to mostly have to adapt to and merge into as she's not only marrying Harry but marrying into his family but for right now, they're two separate individuals with their own personalities and interests and people who follow them.

I agree, she is marrying into not only a family but an institution. She can retain her own identity but also be seen as eager to learn, listen and adapt to her new country and life. I think at this point and at least in the early stages if they do get married she needs to be visible and engaged. She needs to get out and meet the people and listen and learn. I think Charles should take her under his wing as well so they dispel any negative possible narrative that may arise. I think they need to hit the ground running but not over extend her.

 

[Mirabel]

I think Meghan is well aware that she has a much higher profile now than before this romance came out, but what is she supposed to do? Hide her house? She'll go about her business the best she can.

Very true, but I have to say I was horrified when the DM published a picture of Meghan's house in Toronto.

There are so many crazies out there, and all it takes is one!

 

[Abbigail]

You really think their children, if it gets that far, will be working royals? I would think Harry and his future wife would be, but always thought his children would be like his cousins.

I think a lot depends on Charles' reign and how much he intends to slim down the monarchy, if at all. If he does so and the bulk of the focus/work falls on him, Camilla, Will, Kate, Meghan and Harry, then the latter's potential children may have a role to play in the future. I think we will have a better idea if/when Harry and Meghan progress to the point of having children. How they are styled could be telling.

 

[Denville]

Charles is not going to do any such thing. IF she marries Harry, she will learn, under her husband's aegis, and will be gradually introduced to royal engagements. But I think she'd be better to move to the UK nad live her quietly with Harry for a while before she makes a commitment.

 

[Pranter]

I agree, she is marrying into not only a family but an institution. She can retain her own identity but also be seen as eager to learn, listen and adapt to her new country and life. I think at this point and at least in the early stages if they do get married she needs to be visible and engaged. She needs to get out and meet the people and listen and learn. I think Charles should take her under his wing as well so they dispel any negative possible narrative that may arise. I think they need to hit the ground running but not over extend her.

My guess is they will allow them the time to find their way much the same way they gave to Kate and William. Especially if there is a pregnancy the first year.



LaRae

 

[Dman]

Very true, but I have to say I was horrified when the DM published a picture of Meghan's house in Toronto.

There are so many crazies out there, and all it takes is one!

I agree. Publishing a full picture of her house was just silly. I mean have some respect for her security.

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I really don't like that the media is blowing up the story that Meghan will attend the Invictus Games. The media should let the couple do their thing and not jinx the prospect of her appearance.

They hyped up her appearance at Pippa's wedding to the point she only ended up attending the wedding party.

Let's calm down and let things be.

 

[Denville]

One thing keeps standing out for me in all of this. The reality of this relationship is that the British are only half of the equation in this case. Not everything is geared to how the BRF does things. Not everything is geared towards the British public. Not everything is dependent on the BRF itself. It is a major part of the equation but not all of it.

I and interests and people who follow them.

well if she's going to marry Harry, become a royal duchess, the British public will be HER people and the BRF will be the people paying her bills and guiding her intot her new life. IMO Its more than "half the equation". Of couse the press will go on about her movie career and so on, but in the end, her life will be about how well she fits into the RF and does the royal job here.

 

[jacqui24]

well if she's going to marry Harry, become a royal duchess, the British public will be HER people and the BRF will be the people paying her bills and guiding her intot her new life. IMO Its more than "half the equation". Of couse the press will go on about her movie career and so on, but in the end, her life will be about how well she fits into the RF and does the royal job here.

But until then, how much should the British people be able to dictate her life?

 

[Cocoasneeze]

Very true, but I have to say I was horrified when the DM published a picture of Meghan's house in Toronto.

There are so many crazies out there, and all it takes is one!

Terrible 'journalism'. There are much lesser known celebs who've been targeted and harmed, and this extra attention on Meghan will bring out more crazies.

 

[Denville]

But until then, how much should the British people be able to dictate her life?

Who is "dictating her life"?

 

[jacqui24]

Who is "dictating her life"?

Obviously, they aren't successful, but there are plenty of people that feel like she should do this and that, and not do this and that right now. And there is certainly a lot of talk about her "unsuitability" under the premise that they will be paying for her. Really? the UK public can have a say in how well she conducts royal duties if they marry, but until then a lot of people need to get off their high horses.

 

[Dman]

I think everyone should calm down and just let things play out. Let's not jinx the prospect of her attendance at the Invictus Games, and let's not get ahead of ourselves with the timing of an engagement announcement. We've been down this road before and putting limitations on this couple isn't good.

 

[Denville]

Obviously, they aren't successful, but there are plenty of people that feel like she should do this and that, and not do this and that right now. And there is certainly a lot of talk about her "unsuitability" under the premise that they will be paying for her. Really? the UK public can have a say in how well she conducts royal duties if they marry, but until then a lot of people need to get off their high horses.

That's royal life. If she marries into the RF, her life isn't going to be her own, and I think she certainly WANTS to.. so she'd better get used to it...
The RF are in their position as long as the British public is willing to keep them there, so they need to fit in with what that public want..

 

[Cocoasneeze]

That's royal life. If she marries into the RF, her life isn't going to be her own, and I think she certainly WANTS to.. so she'd better get used to it...
The RF are in their position as long as the British public is willing to keep them there, so they need to fit in with what that public want..

This statement, to me, sounds really entitled. Of course her life will be her own. Sure, there are public aspects to being married to a royal, but it's still her life. And the part about the BRF needing to fit with what the public want. To what extent? What part of their lives do the public need to control and have a say in? Atm there really isn't anything in the lives of the royals, that the public has any say in, right? Or have I missed it?

 

[Osipi]

I am going to go out on a limb (and hopefully don't land on my head falling off it) and pick up on a thought that was presented in The Monarchy After Elizabeth thread by our own hel. In discussing the recent public opinion polls on how maybe Charles should step aside for William, this idea was presented.

"This is not just because William would like to spend the next 20 or 30 years with a lower profile and less official duties (although he no doubt would). It’s also because William knows that if his father gives in to rule by opinion poll, if those same opinion polls turn against William—be that in 30, 40, or 50 years time—the gig will be up, and the monarchy may well be gone."

I think this could also very well apply to how public opinion and its relationship to the marriage of Harry and Meghan would come into play. If the monarchy and the people who represent the monarchy (as Harry and Meghan most certainly would following a marriage) are controlled and manipulated by the media and public opinion, the effects could very well signal the end of the monarchy. Public opinion and particularly the media are fickle and mercurial beasts and can change as fast as the wind.

Thanks hel, once again, for a very logical and very well thought out posting well worth repeating.

 

[AlowVera]

My guess is they will allow them the time to find their way much the same way they gave to Kate and William. Especially if there is a pregnancy the first year.



LaRae

I think its good Kate and William got some time but I think their absence allowed an unfair narrative that they are workshy and reluctant take afoot. M&H will need to do enough to create their narrative instead of allowing the media to create their narrative.

 

[jacqui24]

That's royal life. If she marries into the RF, her life isn't going to be her own, and I think she certainly WANTS to.. so she'd better get used to it...
The RF are in their position as long as the British public is willing to keep them there, so they need to fit in with what that public want..

I get that. But she's NOT royal yet. Yet some expects her to just drop everything as if she is and just wait for the ring. As far as I'm concerned, she's made enough changes to her life to accommodate until an engagement is announced.

Additionally, while the public have a say in her public life, which is fine and fair. I think they'd have limited say on how her personal life is conducted. She is still her own person. She would adapt to certain things, but certainly she should be able to maintain certain aspects of her personal life.

 

[AlowVera]

This statement, to me, sounds really entitled. Of course her life will be her own. Sure, there are public aspects to being married to a royal, but it's still her life. And the part about the BRF needing to fit with what the public want. To what extent? What part of their lives do the public need to control and have a say in? Atm there really isn't anything in the lives of the royals, that the public has any say in, right? Or have I missed it?

She can have her life BUT she needs to make sure the narrative is primarily being of service to the BRF and the people.