Discussion about Sofia Hellqvist's Past & Future Role in the Royal Family

[princess carmen]

I think Sofia has seen what goes on with the royals I think she has an idea what is expected of her and will do fine. Sarah had no real guidance when she married Andrew, so she did things her way.

 

[HBG91]

Just 2 cents from a Swede here!

For me and for many of my friends (in our early 20s) it's not the nudity per se that is the problem!
But the problem is the pure trashiness of her previous actions and behaviour!
Paradise Hotel? Men’s Magazines?

Right now a new season of Paradise Hotel is broadcast on TV3 Sweden and the participants are just sooo......trash! There is no other way to describe it. It’s people you will never take seriously! Ever!!
I know no one who would employ a Paradise Hotel participant!
And Sofia thought it was an excellent reality show to be in!

No one in Sweden took her seriously when she was a z celebrity just a few years ago so why should we take her seriously now? Because she is marrying Carl Philip?

 

[Jacknch]

Just 2 cents from a Swede here!

For me and for many of my friends (in our early 20s) it's not the nudity per se that is the problem!
But the problem is the pure trashiness of her previous actions and behaviour!
Paradise Hotel? Men’s Magazines?

Right now a new season of Paradise Hotel is broadcast on TV3 Sweden and the participants are just sooo......trash! There is no other way to describe it. It’s people you will never take seriously! Ever!!
I know no one who would employ a Paradise Hotel participant!
And Sofia thought it was an excellent reality show to be in!

No one in Sweden took her seriously when she was a z celebrity just a few years ago so why should we take her seriously now? Because she is marrying Carl Philip?

Thanks for posting this, it is always nice to read a Swedish opinion on such controversial matters affecting Sweden!
Sofia is not the text-book idealistic princess to be. But I do hope that as time progresses and she carried out her duties nicely and without controversy, she will be taken more seriously than she perhaps is today.

 

[Marty91charmed]

I've already said that I dislike her but I just want to add that to me is not the naked photos the problem but I didn't like her behaviour and still don't like it now... She seems very malicious and calculating... as I said before I might change my mind abput her and I HOPE to change it... Okay, that's all now I will keep it quiet

 

[MoonShadow123]

In my opinion what has also gone against Sofia is her perceived lack of work ethic, because she has not had paid employment throughout the whole time Sofia has been in a relationship with Carl Philip.

 

[HBG91]

Thanks for posting this, it is always nice to read a Swedish opinion on such controversial matters affecting Sweden!
Sofia is not the text-book idealistic princess to be. But I do hope that as time progresses and she carried out her duties nicely and without controversy, she will be taken more seriously than she perhaps is today.

I will try to give her a chance, I will..........but it is really hard! Just think if Prince Harry wanted to marry a girl from Geordie Shore? Would People in the UK be able to take her seriously as a Royal Duchess?

Oh and I want to point out that I'm not a hypocrite! If Madeleine or Victoria would have married for example Samir Badran (former Paradise Hotel participant and z celebrity ) I would be equally skeptical!

 

[SElizabeth]

I will try to give her a chance, I will..........but it is really hard! Just think if Prince Harry wanted to marry a girl from Geordie Shore? Would People in the UK be able to take her seriously as a Royal Duchess?

Oh and I want to point out that I'm not a hypocrite! If Madeleine or Victoria would have married for example Samir Badran (former Paradise Hotel participant and z celebrity ) I would be equally skeptical!

Thank you for posting and welcome.....I also will say that it is very welcome to have an opinion from someone in Sweden and who actually lives there. It's her behavior/choices/decisions that she has made in her life that I have serious doubts about, even today there is no employment records of her doing an actual job like normal people do. I don't see her as a benefit to the royal family as I don't see PCP being someone who works hard for his money, he is more the party boy, race car driver and guy to have fun with but don't take him seriously. They both seem made for each other in that regard...I am a huge fan of CPV and her husband who is a self made man all on his own without help from anyone. I am glad Sweden has Victoria as their future queen, she will be great.

 

[zhouhua00]

Just 2 cents from a Swede here!

For me and for many of my friends (in our early 20s) it's not the nudity per se that is the problem!
But the problem is the pure trashiness of her previous actions and behaviour!
Paradise Hotel? Men’s Magazines?

Right now a new season of Paradise Hotel is broadcast on TV3 Sweden and the participants are just sooo......trash! There is no other way to describe it. It’s people you will never take seriously! Ever!!
I know no one who would employ a Paradise Hotel participant!
And Sofia thought it was an excellent reality show to be in!

No one in Sweden took her seriously when she was a z celebrity just a few years ago so why should we take her seriously now? Because she is marrying Carl Philip?

Forgive my curiosity. Why is Paradise Hotel or Men’s Magazines so bad?

 

[HBG91]

Forgive my curiosity. Why is Paradise Hotel or Men’s Magazines so bad?

Is this Sophia any worse than an [FONT=&quot] adulteress and a drug addict who are both in line to be Queen?[/FONT]

Have you seen reality shows like Paradise Hotel, Big brother, Jersey Shore, Geordie shore ect.? I don't know how I should describe people who participates it these kind of reality shows with nice words!
They are probably nice people deep inside but those shows are
Think Nicole "Snooki" Polizzi as First Lady in USA!

 

[Jacknch]

I will try to give her a chance, I will..........but it is really hard! Just think if Prince Harry wanted to marry a girl from Geordie Shore? Would People in the UK be able to take her seriously as a Royal Duchess?

Oh and I want to point out that I'm not a hypocrite! If Madeleine or Victoria would have married for example Samir Badran (former Paradise Hotel participant and z celebrity ) I would be equally skeptical!

Well, I would just give it some time and see how things work out. In my experience of people, it is not what they have done in the past that is as important as what they do in the future.
As things stand, Sofia is not yet married and not yet a member of the Swedish Royal Family. After a year or so when everyone has got used to her being a royal duchess/princess, people will start hopefully to concentrate on her new life as a wife and royal and judge her on that.
I am getting too old to harbour too many grudges these days!

 

[SElizabeth]

Now you made me chuckle, I don't think anyone is to old to have their own opinion on anything in life as long as it is not forced on another. As for SH, all we have to do is sit back and wait and see what she does, time will tell and that is all we have is *time*. She will either swim with the sharks or sink in the boat. As for being to old..got you beat there my a few hundred miles and years..

 

[LadyFinn]

I can't understand how one can compare participating in Paradise Hotel, posing nude and yearning constantly for publicity with having being divorced. A woman who answers at an interview to a question "what is the strangest place you have had sex" doesn't show good moral or values. Instead, that gives a very trashy impression. A well raised and sophisticated person doesn't talk about these kind of things in public. She was ready to say or do almost anything to get publicity and cause talk.
Sofia may have now expensive clothes and she is very careful in what she says, but has she really changed, we will see.

 

[xenobia]

There are many things that Sofia has done that I personally wouldn't do, and of course those things affects my current view of her.

But just like Jacknch, I'm too old now to hold grudges. I don't know Sofia personally, and I can't tell if she's changed or not. All we can do is wait and see. I'm all for second (and a hundred) chances. She's been given one, and now I'm curious to see what she can do with it.

 

[redtulip]

Leopards don't change their spots, do they. I believe everyone deserves a second chance, but no more.

 

[KittyAtlanta]

^^^Sofia is not a leopard, she's a human being. How snide.

 

[scooter]

Have you never before heard the expression 'A leopard doesnt change it's spots'? red tulip didnt make it up just for SH.

I would be a lot more inclined to forgive and forget an isolated incident, like oh the ex-boyfriend took some scanty pics of her and then they came out. However, that is not what has happened. This young woman, from the time of 15 years old has conciously made an entire career of having nude/porn pics taken of her by professional photographers for public viewing and film of her making out with an assortment of people. This is not being 'snide', it is a factually accurate discription of this woman's entire adult life.

 

[Cris M]

This is not being 'snide', it is a factually accurate discription of this woman's entire adult life.

No, it's not, as she has not posed for any nude pictures for almost ten years and she stills an adult, not even 30 years old.

 

[scooter]

I should have said 'her entire adult life thus far'. Certainly it's how she has supported herself. Thus far. Now she has a new and better paying gig! Not to mention more and better clothes.

 

[redtulip]

Bumpf, Kitty Atlanta. I didn't coin it, as others said. It's a common English saying, and that's all it is.

a leopard can't/doesn't change its spots definition, meaning - what is a leopard can't/doesn't change its spots in the British English Dictionary & Thesaurus - Cambridge Dictionaries Online

 

[Cris M]

I should have said 'her entire adult life thus far'. Certainly it's how she has supported herself. Thus far. Now she has a new and better paying gig!

"Thus far"? Can you provide me with anything that proves your statement (any nude picture from the past two years or so) or you simply don't care about saying the truth?

 

[COUNTESS]

If leopards do not change their spot, then the Queen of England in the future, will be an adulteress and the Queen of Norway will be a single mother with a drug problem. Things change, people change. If God forgives, who are you?

 

[SElizabeth]

And why should we forgive anything regarding her? God can forgive her and that is okay, but it's not up to us to forgive her for anything, as for some of us here we are *entitled* to our opinions as you and some others are. Our opinions are just that...*our opinions* and nobody is asking anyone to change their opinion to suit anyone else.

No leopards don't change their spots and never will, and as for SH working, yes now she has a job, and it's not a normal 9/5 job in the normal world of work, her job now is to make sure CPC is very happy and well taken care of, and that she does exactly as he wants if she is to marry him and her reward for this will be a title, all the fancy clothes she wants, shoes galore,, and maybe the key to the vaults where the jewels are kept....nice job if what she does is all it takes............... Oh and please don't compare her to another royal as that is something moderators are looking out for.

 

[Grandma828]

The human brain does not fully mature until age 25. I suggest you divide SH actions into before 25 and after 25. The drop the immature decisions.

 

[SElizabeth]

I should have said 'her entire adult life thus far'. Certainly it's how she has supported herself. Thus far. Now she has a new and better paying gig! Not to mention more and better clothes.

And the rewards for this better paying gig is not just clothes, but the jewels in the vault and the palace in the city..........

 

[KittyAtlanta]

Bumpf, Kitty Atlanta. I didn't coin it, as others said. It's a common English saying, and that's all it is.

a leopard can't/doesn't change its spots definition, meaning - what is a leopard can't/doesn't change its spots in the British English Dictionary & Thesaurus - Cambridge Dictionaries Online

I am familiar with the phrase. We use it here in the US as well. My objection is the negativity the phrase holds. Of course a leopard can't change it's spots, but Sofia is not a leopard...she's a human being with the ability to change.

 

[redtulip]

The negativity in the phrase is your perception; as such it says leopards don't change spots. It's not good, it's not bad, it's a fact. If you think it means calling her a leopard you simply don't understand the phrase. It's fine not to be a native speaker of English, but don't take it out on others.

And as I said, I didn't make it up; it's a common phrase that someone else wrote, and you should take it up with the person in question, if you manage to find him/her/them. As it stands, it's back to the drawing board for you with this, and the ball is in your court for rethinking what you accuse others for. You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Lee-Z]

Sofia will always have the past she has (nudity, erotics but also the attitude exhibited with it at the time) and unless she finds a cure for cancer *and* establishes world-peace *and* is beamed into heaven in a halo of light, it will always be there and will be brought up one way or the other.
She will have to deal with that and the SRF will have to deal with it; but apparently they are willing to take that path and it will be quite interesting to see in years to come how it will turn out

 

[Baron Brockdorf]

I'm not a fan of Sofia tbh, but my main problem isn't the fact then she participated in that show, and did nude photography ( though lets been honest it's not some thing one would put on ones CV) but the fact that she hasn't addressed it, all she did was say that she doesn't want her past to influence her future, but as a member or whatever of a children's charity she should at least not be recommending such things.....plus although Royal families must adapt with times, they must also set the standards and keep a little mystique if they become too ordinary.....and well 'common' then ppl will start the question the point of a Royal family, esp if a member of the Royal family has behaved or is behaving in a questionable manner, or in a way which does not reach the publics expectations ( having said that I think there are certain royals across the globe who have behaved worse ) I mean personally If the first gentleman ( or whatever the male equivalent to First Lady is) of Malta was former Mr.Slitz I wouldn't be happy at all, with those kind of credentials people will not take my country seriously, Ofc people change as do attitudes and values, but I belive that approach is key and IMO Sofia hasn't addresed the issue in order to show this change, yes actions speak louder than words but words can be very persuasive too

 

[SElizabeth]

I'm not a fan of Sofia tbh, but my main problem isn't the fact then she participated in that show, and did nude photography ( though lets been honest it's not some thing one would put on ones CV) but the fact that she hasn't addressed it, all she did was say that she doesn't want her past to influence her future, but as a member or whatever of a children's charity she should at least not be recommending such things.....plus although Royal families must adapt with times, they must also set the standards and keep a little mystique if they become too ordinary.....and well 'common' then ppl will start the question the point of a Royal family, esp if a member of the Royal family has behaved or is behaving in a questionable manner, or in a way which does not reach the publics expectations ( having said that I think there are certain royals across the globe who have behaved worse ) I mean personally If the first gentleman ( or whatever the male equivalent to First Lady is) of Malta was former Mr.Slitz I wouldn't be happy at all, with those kind of credentials people will not take my country seriously, Ofc people change as do attitudes and values, but I belive that approach is key and IMO Sofia hasn't addresed the issue in order to show this change, yes actions speak louder than words but words can be very persuasive too

Yes I also would like for her to have the courage/guts to face her past and say that she made mistakes and hope that with time she can show that she will be a positive member of the royal family. Another female royal did this and it showed that she was truthful and honest to admit mistakes. She changed and now has a very positive reputation for the people and is well loved. I honestly don't think that SH thinks she did anything wrong and that what is done is done........we all are accountable for our actions/behavior and decisions in life, she seems to think other wise and so does CPC..........I don't hold much hope for them being of any use in the family except to show up when needed and then they can continue on with their lifestyle of parties, racing and whatever all at the expense of the people of Sweden. Her character is showing now.........

 

[scooter]

"Thus far"? Can you provide me with anything that proves your statement (any nude picture from the past two years or so) or you simply don't care about saying the truth?

Cris M, I can provide you with dozens of photos to support my assertion regarding her nude/porn modeling, however all of them would be flagged as porn by this forum. If you are only concerned about the last two years, I would say of course once she was living with CP and being kept , then she no longer had any expenses and didnt need to keep on with her career. But certainly, she has never had any gainful emplyment other than having pictures/film of her unclothed. If I am wrong, please post a link and I will be happy to stand corrected. Gainful employment, as in being paid to do the work.