The Duke & Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 4: April-June 2021

[MaryVirginia]

Harry is feeding the monster that he was supposed to shut out of his life, making exactly the same mistake his mother made.
History is repeating itself and like in Diana's case, it is naive to believe that all of this will not come back to haunt him.
A lose cannon, and it will get worse because at some point his public soul searching will be wearing thin and the community will move on to the next hot topic.
And he will be left behind even more angry, because at some point he might understand that he was used as a show pony for audience and money. Oprah is not a compassionate therapist, she is a business woman.

Exactly....Oprah is a business woman and she is using Harry just as much or more than any family member or courtier ever have. His family may be imperfect, but they are more to be replied upon than the culture he is embracing and so anxious to be a part of. It is all tragic really.

 

[Hallo girl]

If I could expand on my own comment with regards Harry courting the media, I really do find this concerning.

He repeatedly goes on about history repeating itself, but he is the one that is repeating his mothers actions.
She cooperated with a book, she did the interview, there is strong evidence that photographers/ press were tipped off for particular events / stories.
Harry is the one allowing history to repeat itself.

 

[Denville]

Well he wouldn't have been stripped of "Dads support" if he hadn't walked out. If he had said that he just couldn't do the royal job any more but was willing to stay in the UK, I dont think that Charles would have cut him off financially.
He would still have had his house with security at Frogmore and I think that Charles would have given him an reasonable if not massive allowance which together with his mother's money could have kept him in reasonable comfort. But HE was the one who wanted NOT to completely leave royal life.. but to "earn a professional income" and he wanted to earn it in America and he was the one who wanted "half in and half out" so royal life can't have been THAT bad for him, or he would hardly have wished to stay in it part time.
NOW from what he has said, he clearly felt that whether he was "half in half out" OR fully out of royal life, Harry still expected his father and the tax payers to continue to pay for his security and expenses....and he was in no real hurry to find work, until he was told that they would not do so.

If I could expand on my own comment with regards Harry courting the media, I really do find this concerning.

He repeatedly goes on about history repeating itself, but he is the one that is repeating his mothers actions.
She cooperated with a book, she did the interview, there is strong evidence that photographers/ press were tipped off for particular events / stories.
Harry is the one allowing history to repeat itself.

True that he's repeating a pattern of Diana's of complaining about the media but cooperating with them a lot. However I think that Diana, in spite of everything had limits on what she said to them., She did foolishly talk to her voice coach but that wasn't for publication.. Harry is talking about all sorts of intimate issues of his own and the family's very loudly without being prompted or pressured to do so.

This is how i approached it too, but maybe Harry's current mental state is not about facts but about feelings.
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It is also my feeling that in 5 or 10 years time when Harry looks back on this peiod, he will regret throwing everything out in public
And then he can start showing compassion..

Call me cynical but from the way H' & Meg have been acting in the past 3 years, I think that they dont feel much compassion for anyone and I find it hard to believe that that will change. If in 10 years he changes a bit, I think it will be due to the fact that that he has realised that the public are now fed up with him and dont want to hear him going on about the family any more.. or that the public have gotten wise to the big holes in the stories he tells.. so he may come up with a narrative of "Oh I was out of my mind, Im so sorry, I didn't know what I was saying."

 

[Hallo girl]

Well he wouldn't have been stripped of "Dads support" if he hadn't walked out. If he had said that he just couldn't do the royal job any more but was willing to stay in the UK, I dont think that Charles would have cut him off financially.
He would still have had his house with security at Frogmore and I think that Charles would have given him an reasonable if not massive allowance which together with his mother's money could have kept him in reasonable comfort. But HE was the one who wanted NOT to completely leave royal life.. but to "earn a professional income" and he wanted to earn it in America and he was the one who wanted "half in and half out" so royal life can't have been THAT bad for him, or he would hardly have wished to stay in it part time.
NOW from what he has said, he clearly felt that whether he was "half in half out" OR fully out of royal life, Harry still expected his father and the tax payers to continue to pay for his security and expenses....and he was in no real hurry to find work, until he was told that they would not do so.

You are so on the money with that post.

 

[Heavs]

Well he wouldn't have been stripped of "Dads support" if he hadn't walked out. If he had said that he just couldn't do the royal job any more but was willing to stay in the UK, I dont think that Charles would have cut him off financially.
He would still have had his house with security at Frogmore and I think that Charles would have given him an reasonable if not massive allowance which together with his mother's money could have kept him in reasonable comfort. But HE was the one who wanted NOT to completely leave royal life.. but to "earn a professional income" and he wanted to earn it in America and he was the one who wanted "half in and half out" so royal life can't have been THAT bad for him, or he would hardly have wished to stay in it part time.
NOW from what he has said, he clearly felt that whether he was "half in half out" OR fully out of royal life, Harry still expected his father and the tax payers to continue to pay for his security and expenses....and he was in no real hurry to find work, until he was told that they would not do so.

I think you're right on a lot of that. I do think if they had retired quietly in the UK then Charles would still be footing everything and I think if Harry had gone to them when he left the Army and said he needed time to work on his problems or he didn't want this life they'd have discreetly disappeared him for a few years. But he'd probably be complaining about that now.

We also know they took meetings with Quibi in January 2019 before Archie was born and those continued until after the Sandringham Summit. It drove their staff up the wall because they wouldn't tell anyone what was going on and no one knew how to advise them.

So they *were* wanting a commercial arm whilst still in the BRF.

We know the BRF offered them an escape in Africa and it was turned down.

We know they were offered a slower entry into working royal life and in their own words they wanted to hit the ground running.

We know that Harry was *offended* when someone suggested Meghan might keep acting and not become a full time royal.

We know the staff *did* kill negative stories about them from the reporters who tried to run them.

We know they didn't listen to staff and wanted to do it all their own way.

Harry has now said he always hated everything about royal duties and was forced to do them but they wanted Half in Half out originally.

We know that they also claimed to want to be "financially independent".

We know that Charles and the taxpayer were supporting them whilst they were in Canada and it was only after they moved to LA they were cut off.

We know that others in the BRF have been to therapy and Diana even said that they provided therapy for her 40 years ago. We know that Harry has said he didn't tell anyone because he was too embarrassed and now claims "everyone" knew ...something... but they wouldn't help. But conveniently doesn't say exactly what they were saying "no" to.

So in conclusion in their own words they wanted to live in a very expensive part of the US, they wanted everything paid for by the taxpayer AND Charles. They didn't want to abide by any rules about not making money from the position (something Prince Michael is also in trouble for) they didn't want to do royal duties but they *did* want to say whatever they felt like it whilst demanding the BRF shut down freedom of the press if they ever received any criticism. They'd also like to keep using their titles from a "toxic institution" and complain that their children aren't HRH as well.

Now that's blown up in their faces suddenly everything is everyone else's fault and never theirs and they constantly change their stories to suit whatever needs to be sold that day.

Harry is selling his soul to the very same media he believes killed his mother and the very same station that exploited pictures of her dying for money. All he has to sell is the family he now claims are toxic. Whilst he complains that anyone who disagrees with any of this is a troll.

That is pretty much the most staggering pile of nonsense I've ever seen when you put it all together.

I used to think they were genuine in their desire to help but were going about it in the worst possible way but I don't any more.

 

[Betsypaige]

Obviously it suits the RF to think that their Harry would never, ever do this to them. They all probably blame Meghan for this.

No, I don’t think so....I’m sure they blame her for some things, but ultimately Harry is the one choosing to destroy his father and the family, the institution. I posted the below, but I felt this way anyway.

In the body of the article, a body language expert points out Harry’s one while he’s talking about Charles. I get tired of reading about Royals’ body language for every thing they say and do, but I suspect that she’s on the mark here.

I’m less worried about a reconciliation than I am about Charles himself.

One royal aide said the Queen’s statement following the couple’s previous interview with Miss Winfrey – in which the monarch famously said ‘recollections may vary’ about allegations, but that they wanted to work out issues privately as a family – still stood.

However, an exasperated insider told the Mail the family appeared to be at the end of their tether over Harry’s never-ending forays from across the Atlantic and that relationships were hanging by a thread.

They said: ‘Everyone is struggling to understand what he gets from, or hopes to achieve, by interventions like this. It is perfectly possible to campaign effectively on the issue of mental health without talking in such intimate detail about his own experiences.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...anging-thread-explosive-Oprah-truth-bomb.html

 

[Kataryn]

So, he doesn’t mind hurting his father or brother or his brother’s family? How is he any better than the media he despises so much then?

It's not the Royal "family" alone he was hurt by, it was the whole "toxic" environment of the Palace bureaucracy and the advisors, who all have their own agenda and nomenclatura of their "Royal family" and the media who uses them all to sell papers and make money. Not just Charles. it's not a family problem he is ranting about, it's a problem he has with the whole apparatus of monarchy.He knows his father and brother have still to care about what their environment, what the media and so the public think. That's why he sees them as being prisoners of the "system".

 

[MaryVirginia]

I think you're right on a lot of that. I do think if they had retired quietly in the UK then Charles would still be footing everything and I think if Harry had gone to them when he left the Army and said he needed time to work on his problems or he didn't want this life they'd have discreetly disappeared him for a few years. But he'd probably be complaining about that now.

We also know they took meetings with Quibi in January 2019 before Archie was born and those continued until after the Sandringham Summit. It drove their staff up the wall because they wouldn't tell anyone what was going on and no one knew how to advise them.

So they *were* wanting a commercial arm whilst still in the BRF.

We know the BRF offered them an escape in Africa and it was turned down.

We know they were offered a slower entry into working royal life and in their own words they wanted to hit the ground running.

We know the staff *did* kill negative stories about them from the reporters who tried to run them.

We know they didn't listen to staff and wanted to do it all their own way.

Harry has now said he always hated everything about royal duties and was forced to do them.

We know that Charles and the taxpayer were supporting them whilst they were in Canada and it was only after they moved to LA they were cut off.

So in conclusion in their own words they wanted to live in a very expensive part of the US, they wanted everything paid for by the taxpayer AND Charles. They didn't want to abide by any rules about not making money from the position (something Prince Michael is also in trouble for) they didn't want to do royal duties but they *did* want to say whatever they felt like it whilst demanding the BRF shut down freedom of the press if they ever received any criticism. They'd also like to keep using their titles from a "toxic institution" and complain that their children aren't HRH as well.

Now that's blown up in their faces suddenly everything is everyone else's fault and never theirs and they constantly change their stories to suit whatever needs to be sold that day.

Harry is selling his soul to the very same media he believes killed his mother and the very same station that exploited pictures of her dying for money. All he has to sell is the family he now claims are toxic. Whilst he complains that anyone who disagrees with any of this is a troll.

That is pretty much the most staggering pile of nonsense I've ever seen when you put it all together.

I used to think they were genuine in their desire to help but were going about it in the worst possible way but I don't any more.

You have laid out the history of this debacle with lawyer like precision.

 

[Denville]

I think you're right on a lot of that. I do think if they had retired quietly in the UK then Charles would still be footing everything and I think if Harry had gone to them when he left the Army and said he needed time to work on his problems or he didn't want this life they'd have discreetly disappeared him for a few years. But he'd probably be complaining about that now.

We also know they took meetings with Quibi in January 2019 before Archie was born and those continued until after the Sandringham Summit. It drove their staff up the wall because they wouldn't tell anyone what was going on and no one knew how to advise them.

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I used to think they were genuine in their desire to help but were going about it in the worst possible way but I don't any more.

I'm afraid I was always a bit cynical about Meghan and mostly uneasy about Harry.. I didn't think that (in spite of her left wing views) she was really all that concerned about people apart from herself....
but the couple Are SOOO confusing and erratic in what they say that it is really difficult to believe anything, now.
I believe that they were looking at commercial work back a couple of years before they left, but when they DID leave it seems like they were quite slow to look for "work" (ie money making deals) until they were pushed to. Harry himself said that he only took Netflix deal when he was told that he would not get security paid any more.
If Harry had been frank with the family completely and told them that he really didn't want to be a working royal, I think it would have been a problem.. no question about that. But the RF would have tried ot find some solution. If he'd said "Dad, I suffer from depression. I dont like royal life and meeting people. I dont want to stay in the Army any more, because I dont like desk work, but I dont want to go onto royal duties.." I think that at first perhaps the Queen and Charles would have said "give royal life a try for a year or so".. and put him on light duties for a bit.
but if He'd been persistent after that, in saying he didn't want to be a working Prince, I think they would have come to some kind of arrangement.
I think that they DID expect him to become a working royal around the age of 40 at least and his not doing that would have been a problem as it was a problem when they did walk out.. but I think that they would have come up with a game plan.. i.e. say that Harry had health issues and wasn't going to work as a royal.. and that he was going to do X.. I dont know what job he might have taken on..but surely they would have come up with something, and let him go on living at FC with security and an allowance from Dad and mostly leading a quiet life.. and they would have worked out some way of sharing out the royal duties that he was meant to undertake.
but that wasn't what he wanted. He seems to have wanted to live in the US, make money (if he felt like it) and live a luxurious life.. with full security and expenses paid for by Charles and the tax payer.. and he's angry still I think that he was told that could not happen.
PERHAPS he also did consider living in Africa, but there would have been even more security problems if he'd gone there, and I think that anyway Meg certainly didn't want that.. so she was willing to let the plan drop.
and I'd say if ideas had come up of them moving to Canada or Australia, even if there were no security scare issues, she would not want to live there....
In short, I think that Harry and Meg simply would not be happy unless they got EXACTLY what they wanted, particularly in money terms and that that is what drove Charles to cut off contact for a bt...

 

[Betsypaige]

Well he wouldn't have been stripped of "Dads support" if he hadn't walked out. If he had said that he just couldn't do the royal job any more but was willing to stay in the UK, I dont think that Charles would have cut him off financially.
He would still have had his house with security at Frogmore and I think that Charles would have given him an reasonable if not massive allowance which together with his mother's money could have kept him in reasonable comfort. But HE was the one who wanted NOT to completely leave royal life.. but to "earn a professional income" and he wanted to earn it in America and he was the one who wanted "half in and half out" so royal life can't have been THAT bad for him, or he would hardly have wished to stay in it part time.
NOW from what he has said, he clearly felt that whether he was "half in half out" OR fully out of royal life, Harry still expected his father and the tax payers to continue to pay for his security and expenses....and he was in no real hurry to find work, until he was told that they would not do so.

Yup. I also don’t think Charles wanted to fund an insanely extravagant lifestyle given that Harry made such a stink about wanting to be financially independent. Harry just kept asking/demanding more and more...he wouldn’t have needed as much if he had spent more modestly on a house. If H really believes his father was a terrible parent, then his demands for more money come off as emotional blackmail in a way; with no more Bank of Dad, H feels free to talk about his mother as pretty much the only parent who ever truly loved him, the only one who ever had an influence on him.

BIB Oh I know. I'm just trying to reconcile this person who now claims he pretty much hated any type of work and meeting poor people with someone who at the time stayed there for 6 extra days to help the Gurkhas and others rebuild after the earthquake, who genuinely seemed to enjoy meeting people, who was chosen to go because he had special links with the people of Nepal.

He wasn't the family "yes man" he came 11th in the league table of royals that year and his father and brother both also did two tours. I understand he may have been struggling with his mental health but that's not the same thing as being "burned out" on work when he did 180 engagements that year and his 95 year old grandfather did over double.

Then there's the revisionist history of us a few months ago. And he's also destroying his credibility as a wannabe independent humanitarian with that.



Maybe, but it also possible that they've been dealing with this "I hate every when things don't go my way" Harry that the rest of us are only just seeing for years and have been covering it up and trying to get him help. If he was dealing with a drug addiction then he wasn't a great person to be around. But it's impossible not to wonder where this sudden change in narrative came from as well.

I feel the same way. I don’t really buy what Harry is trying to sell, but on the other hand, if he’s just saying this stuff because he’s angry and he’s trying to hurt his family, he putting on a good act. I guess a part of me doesn’t want to acknowledge what’s right in front of us...but ultimately if he does this long enough, it’s what people will think about and about remember about him.

I think that’s a very good point about the family knowing the real, more complicated Harry ...

As for H’ s supposed humanitarianism, I think he can relinquish any claim to that label based solely on his comments. However, mostly it’s because I find him insincere and artificial. He talks a big game about compassion, but he has none for his family. I know he’s done some good things, but I find them performative. I just don’t find H to be genuine at all.

 

[Denville]

Yup. I also don’t think Charles wanted to fund an insanely extravagant lifestyle given that Harry made such a stink about wanting to be financially independent. Harry just kept asking/demanding more and more...he wouldn’t have needed as much if he had spent more modestly on a house. If H really believes his father was a terrible parent, then his demands for more money come off as emotional blackmail in a way; with no more Bank of Dad, .

Oh well that's what they're both like I am afraid. They dont seem to have any shame about abusing someone and demanding that that someone should still support them.
I remember noticing a year ago when they came back to perform the last engagement.. that Meg was smiling away gamely.. and looking like she was delighted to come back. Harry did look angry and gloomy, as if he wasn't all that pleased.. so maybe he has some crumb of shame at demanding money from his father, while being angry with him... Most people would say that they would not want financial support from a father they didn't like or trust. But I thought that Meg would (if really really pushed) be quite willing to come back to the UK if the American/Canadian money making plans went south.. and even tho' she secretly didn't like Charles or the UK, she'd live here and make the most of it.
But perhaps they both have the attitude that Charles/the RF/The taxpayer owes them a living, after all they dind't ask to be Royal?

 

[Goonerlady]

According to what little informatn was there at the time, it was about his mother and himself, presumably about his grief about his mother and how it affected him. And that's what he's doing now, same thing, its about his whole family and how they have upset him.
Some time ago, i asked what H was going to talk about if he embarked on a career of public speaking and was told that he'd talk about Invictus and his charities and so on.. and I didn't think that those speeches would be considered very marketable. And now he IS speaking out, he is not talking much about his charity work, it is all about him and Meg and how unhappy they are and about the "dark secrets" of the RF.....

I agree.I guess Harry had to come up with something other than I had therapy and I feel better.They Will want their monies worth.That is the only excuse I can come up with as to why Harry is talking about his family like that.I can see no good for him or anyone else who has mental health problems from what he is doing.A lot of people have said poor Harry but what about his family especially the Queen and Charles,they must be heartbroken

 

[Denville]

I agree.I guess Harry had to come up with something other than I had therapy and I feel better.They Will want their monies worth.That is the only excuse I can come up with as to why Harry is talking about his family like that.I can see no good for him or anyone else who has mental health problems from what he is doing.A lot of people have said poor Harry but what about his family especially the Queen and Charles,they must be heartbroken

Well the truth is, that Harry hasn't got that much he can speak about. He hasn't had a long career as a working royal like Charles. he isn't a former president.. who has a political life to speak about. Aand while charity work is worthy, its not really going to net you a million dollars a speech.. so I could never believe that he was going to be able to make his living giving talks about Invictus.
in short, H really only has his personal life to offer to the public as either speeches or entertainment, and that's what he is doing. He is offering up "I was so unhappy.. I was a prince but I was cruelly treated and had to have therapy." "My wife was cruelly treated because the RF are racists. I know what' are the dark secrets of the BRF and I'm willing to talk about them...."

I agree it must have been traumatic for the young men, I have never heard wailing and crying like that at a funeral and I was just watching it on the tv, all I am saying is we were not included in the conversations so we cannot be sure if they were bullied, persuaded, worked on or wanted to do it.
There are a number of possibilities and we cannot make assumptions because it suits our own narrative,

From what I've read, Philip did not push the boys, but he did say to William "If I walk will you walk with me." I think that he genuinely felt that it was something that William should do for his mother and that if he didn't do it, he would later regret it. With regard to Harry I dont know if he was asked in the same way. He was 2 years younger and I can't believe that if he had said "I cant face it" he would have been pushed or forced to do it. Charles, William as the eldest son, Philip to support William.. and Charles S as Di's brother would IMO have been considered enough.

 

[suztav]

Harry is Diana’s son. Period. No explanation needed. You know how the story ends. You would think Harry would have learned from his mother, but no, he is making the same mistakes.

He will regret every single word.

 

[Goonerlady]

Well the truth is, that Harry hasn't got that much he can speak about. He hasn't had a long career as a working royal like Charles. he isn't a former president.. who has a political life to speak about. Aand while charity work is worthy, its not really going to net you a million dollars a speech.. so I could never believe that he was going to be able to make his living giving talks about Invictus.
in short, H really only has his personal life to offer to the public as either speeches or entertainment, and that's what he is doing. He is offering up "I was so unhappy.. I was a prince but I was cruelly treated and had to have therapy." "My wife was cruelly treated because the RF are racists. I know what' are the dark secrets of the BRF and I'm willing to talk about them...."

Yes I quite agree.More fool the people that pay him for his speeches or him acting as producer for the mental health shows.Even the other company he is a figurehead for are for wealthy companies to pay for not your average people

 

[Denville]

Harry is Diana’s son. Period. No explanation needed. You know how the story ends. You would think Harry would have learned from his mother, but no, he is making the same mistakes.

He will regret every single word.

I dont think htat's at all certain. I am not sure at all that Diana regretted the various "talks" she did. and I dont think that Harry is any more self aware. IN fact while Diana DID talk way too much and shared too much, she was an amateur compared to what Harry has come out with in the past 2 months.

 

[Biset]

It's not the Royal "family" alone he was hurt by, it was the whole "toxic" environment of the Palace bureaucracy and the advisors, who all have their own agenda and nomenclatura of their "Royal family" and the media who uses them all to sell papers and make money. Not just Charles. it's not a family problem he is ranting about, it's a problem he has with the whole apparatus of monarchy.He knows his father and brother have still to care about what their environment, what the media and so the public think. That's why he sees them as being prisoners of the "system".

If Harry was considerate of his family's well being or if he had any compassion towards his family he would not use his family and trash them in his war against media.

Even if he feels William and Charles are prisoners of the "system" it's incredibly stupid and arrogant to say that. It's not his place to talk about their situation. He doesn't have any problem invading their privacy, does he?

 

[Moran]

TBH, I think Harry only made one mistake in the last months: he overestimated his and Meghan's lasting popularity. This compassionate interview he's talking about isn't really a product of the delusions of a mentally ill person. It's a calculated strategy to make his family give him money, or else he'd keep giving interviews and saying damaging things. They didn't fall to their knees in money-padded supplications, so he kept talking. It's a warning that they'd better sponsor him, or else he'll keep talking ala Thomas Markle style, and paint them increasingly poorly.

The RF style isn't just about which hat goes with which dress at which event. It's about communicating. Harry, an ELF's product, has learned something about talking without being explicit.

There is this pattern: the more the RF shows they won't be backed into a corner, the more Harry lashes out in the hope of squeezing out some of those money that mean old Dad isn't ready to shower him in anymore.

 

[Denville]

TBH, I think Harry only made one mistake in the last months: he overestimated his and Meghan's lasting popularity. This compassionate interview he's talking about isn't really a product of the delusions of a mentally ill person. It's a calculated strategy to make his family give him money, or else he'd keep giving interviews and saying damaging things. They didn't fall to their knees in money-padded supplications, so he kept talking. It's a warning that they'd better sponsor him, or else he'll keep talking ala Thomas Markle style, and paint them increasingly poorly.

Tmore.

Honestly its hard to say. I think there is calculation.. in that perhaps he's not so off the wall as he appears at times but is trying to get notice from his viewers (which will translate into money).. or to scare the RF. OTOH, does he really think that saying the RF is racist, heartless, genertically cruel etc. etc is going to make Charles pay up? Unless he thinks "If Dad thinks Im going out of my mind, maybe he will say "there there son I'm going to pay you an allowance"..." OR "If Dad thinks I might reveal something he doesn't want revealed, he will pay up..."
But its more likely that Charles will just go on ignoring him, and he wotn see a penny of his money....
and there does seem to be a bit of an element of "genuinely out of control". Like he DID sit on his angry feelings about his mother's death and Charles not being there 100% for him.. for a time and now he's letting it all loose. I Do think that Meg is probably responsible for some of that. I think that she stirred Harry up to feel that he was badly treated by the RF.. like
"why dont we have a nice big house like Will and Kate? Why do we get bad press and they get good press... " and "why dont we get more money, when we just had a big wedding that attracted loads of tourists?" "why do I have to curtsy to the queen, she's just your dear old granny after all"....
and she has problaby reminded H of his mother's death and how Charles did this that and the other.. so that his anger against Charles has come up again....

 

[yukari]

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As for H’ s supposed humanitarianism, I think he can relinquish any claim to that label based solely on his comments. However, mostly it’s because I find him insincere and artificial. He talks a big game about compassion, but he has none for his family. I know he’s done some good things, but I find them performative. I just don’t find H to be genuine at all.

By this point, their (or his?) "service is universal" comes to mind.

 

[AC21091968]

If Harry was considerate of his family's well being or if he had any compassion towards his family he would not use his family and trash them in his war against media.

Even if he feels William and Charles are prisoners of the "system" it's incredibly stupid and arrogant to say that. It's not his place to talk about their situation. He doesn't have any problem invading their privacy, does he?

Very well said, if anybody in my family did what Harry have done in the Oprah's interview and this new AppleTV by trashing them publicly live on air, he/she would be immediately cut off contact let alone financially. My family would definitely used the words "arrogant, delusional, disrespectful" to describe this family member dares to publicly rant that our family members are prisoners of the oppressive and toxic system/environment. To them, this accusation is simply dishonour/disgrace to our family.

It's one thing to point out flaws of family members to friends/colleagues or those in one's tight circle, but it's completely different to besmirch them in a public domain.

 

[Mirabel]

TBH, I think Harry only made one mistake in the last months: he overestimated his and Meghan's lasting popularity. This compassionate interview he's talking about isn't really a product of the delusions of a mentally ill person. It's a calculated strategy to make his family give him money, or else he'd keep giving interviews and saying damaging things. They didn't fall to their knees in money-padded supplications, so he kept talking. It's a warning that they'd better sponsor him, or else he'll keep talking ala Thomas Markle style, and paint them increasingly poorly.

I hope Harry does keep talking, to the point where people just roll their eyes at another whining interview, because they've heard it all too many times.

Self-pity is never attractive, and much more of this sort of thing will quickly wear out any sympathy he might have gotten initially.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

So....if Charles had caved to Harry's demands for financial support none of this "truth" would have ever seen the light of day? I wonder if Harry at least warned "Pa" ahead of time about the consequences of saying NO to him.....

 

[Hallo girl]

I have looked at a still photograph taken from the Apple tv interview, this is not the same Harry.
Now it could be that this is the real one and what we had for over 30 years was a made up one, or well I do not know, but his very face eyes, demeanor , everything about him is different.

This is him in his new life, with his wife and child, another on the way, free from the RF , the restrictions, etc etc that he was so unhappy with. Sorry I am not buying it.

 

[Hallo girl]

So....if Charles had caved to Harry's demands for financial support none of this "truth" would have ever seen the light of day? I wonder if Harry at least warned "Pa" ahead of time about the consequences of saying NO to him.....

In a way they did, Tom Bradbury warned after the South Africa interview that they could write a book or an interview. After the Oprah one, Meghans pal came on the uk television the next day and went on about the proof that Meghan had.

Gayle lets it be known that she just calls them up to ask how things are and they tell her stuff.

The cuttings from Oprah that could make another programme.

I think in their own way they have, obviously I cannot say if they ever actually said it straight out to the family.

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

Actually, I think Harry wants William and Charles to profusely apologize, tell him that he was right all along, that they were terrible people, and beg for his forgiveness. And then issue a public interview saying the same to the world.

And I don't mean this sarcastically- when I was a child, I harbored similar fantasies, I'm sure.

But that's never going to happen. And it's not a mature or healthy viewpoint for Harry to have. Sadly, it will only lead to more resentment and anger.

Just before the wedding, I thought almost the same of Thomas Markle- he was angry, unwilling to admit any fault, and wanted his daughter to drop everything she was doing to publicly take his side and tell the world what a great dad and person he was. And at the time I really did wonder, based on my own mother, if early dementia was responsible for Thomas Markle not being able to understand reason and tact. But obviously, that's not the case with Harry.

I agree with you; I think Harry and Meg want a public apology. Which they will never get because there is no need and even if there was, because Harry is continuing to put himself in the “zoo” of media coverage and if realized he was in the “Truman Show” - did he not watch the end of the movie?

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

This is a video just 8 months ago of Harry talking about his Nepal trip. Seems to have changed his tune since even then.

And he seemed to understand how important it was to meet the Gurkhas at the time:

I know royal tours are exhausting and often fraught but I think he's looking back with something different now than he was *then* even if his mental health wasn't good in March 2016.

If nothing else he's being incredibly short-sighted and stupid for telling the world over and over now that he hated service (and again he went there to celebrate the Gurkha 200 and to bring attention to a devastated country because of his personal connections to them). He and Meghan are desperate to be taken seriously as humanitarians.

Yes, this makes no sense if they want to help others and change the world. His complaints sound very different from what they post on Archwell.

 

[Heavs]

I agree with you; I think Harry and Meg want a public apology. Which they will never get because there is no need and even if there was, because Harry is continuing to put himself in the “zoo” of media coverage and if realized he was in the “Truman Show” - did he not watch the end of the movie?

I agree as well. Both Scobie and Gayle said the same thing on different occasions "talks are not productive, they won't be until the family really, really apologises to Meghan and speaks to her directly as SHE was the one who was wronged and then the BRF needs to tame the media". That's what they wanted.

I thought they couldn't be serious about actually getting it but combining all the pieces together and seeing that they seriously, really think they deserve full time taxpayer security for a 16 bedroom mansion, Duchy money from Charles, titles for the children and to say anything they want whilst silencing criticism whilst thinking they were being "compassionate"; then yes they thought they might get it.

And holding the threat of move revelations over the family is certainly what they're doing. Even the media commented on it.

They'd probably settle for a quiet payout from Charles if he offered them a large annual sum but I think they want the apology.

 

[Denville]

Yes, this makes no sense if they want to help others and change the world. His complaints sound very different from what they post on Archwell.

I always thought that changing the world wasn't thtat high on Meghan's list of things to do. but Harry was really pretty silly to come out with that about how awful it was to have to go to Nepal and meet people who were poorer than him and who annoyed him because they were "free". I think that some people are going ot remember that litlte outburst and wont take him too seriously next time he "gives a donation" to a charity or turns up all smiles at a school.....

 

[Heavs]

Yes, this makes no sense if they want to help others and change the world. His complaints sound very different from what they post on Archwell.

That's what I don't get. They want to be in the wealthy, philanthropist, humanitarian club. Surely even if you're angry with your family and want to emphasise how miserable and trapped you were with your 180 engagements a year, why KEEP talking about how much you hated travelling the Commonwealth and meeting poor people? It doesn't make sense with your supposed new international charity platform. And they were angry when those Commonwealth jobs were taken away from them as well.

Of course what we've seen so far of Archewell (albeit possible hamstrung by the pandemic) it's mostly about donating $10,000 here and there and partnering on already set up projects for some publicity but that's not the image they want Harry portraying.