The Duke & Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 4: April-June 2021

[Erin9]

It's just such a weird thing to do. I studied American history to degree level, so I would feel OK talking about the First Amendment. However, I know absolutely nothing about the rules of American football, so I would not go on TV, make a comment about it being "bonkers", and then say that I didn't really understand what I was talking about. Why would you comment publicly on anything when you admit yourself that you don't know anything about it? I don't know anything about the life cycle of ring-tailed lemurs: I wouldn't talk about them and then say that I didn't really understand them.

It doesn’t make sense. I don’t think Harry thinks before he speaks sometimes. He just starts talking. This is the result.

 

[Osipi]

I have a few questions - at which point do we move Harry out of the royal forum and into the celebrity forum. Are we going to create his own sub- forum?

Madame Tussaud has relocated Harry and Meghan to their "Awards Party" zone in the London exhibits. However, as Harry and Meghan do remain, according to the Queen, beloved family members and they are still TRH, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Harry is still a Counsellor of State, they remain royal and there's no real reason to deliberately demote them to "celebrity" status here.

Just my opinion, of course. Worth all of two cents.

 

[Betsypaige]

Just in my little corner of the world it's hit home just how widely known Harry and Meghan area. My son and his wife (in their 40s) and my grandson (21) were here for a few days. My son saw "The Royal Forums" on my monitor screen and inquired what it was all about. I mentioned the names Harry and Meghan and I could visibly see his eyes glaze over and his mind wander far, far away as if saying "who?" They're just not in these people's wheelhouse and of interest to them at all. It's the same with my husband. He knows I'm interested but he couldn't care less.

Being the royal watchers that we are, we're going to be drawn to the ins and outs and the positives and the negatives that surround these people we're watching. Just as the stans will frequent SM purposely for the same reason. The majority of humanity though on this planet have other interests and other problems facing our globe that their eyes would also glaze over and their minds wander far, far away when Harry and Meghan are mentioned. Those of us Americans that actually are interested could be compared to a few drops of water in the Atlantic Ocean. They're part and parcel of the ocean but no where near the totality of that ocean.

To really make a difference in his new life in the US, Harry definitely has his work cut out for him. His relevance here has a long way to go before he'll become a household name and people take him seriously. Right now he's cashing in by what we call "name dropping". He needs his title and his family and where he comes from to define who he is. Y'know.... the things he's actively running away from. Right now I'd describe Harry actually as a man without a country. He's alienating the people on both sides of the pond.

I agree with all of this.

I don’t think Harry really knows much about anything he expounds on, and people know that - they aren’t fools. As an example of someone who does know when to pass the baton to experts: Cher. I started to watch a documentary about how she helped save a malnourished and lonely elephant from a “zoo” in Pakistan. At the beginning, she said she didn’t have any experience with this, didn’t have any “street cred”, so she asked her friend - who has saved elephants elsewhere - if he could help. Harry isn’t a qualified therapist, he’s not a psychologist or psychiatrist - and yet he goes on about mental health as if he’s an expert, setting a terrible example by his public ripping of his family. He talks on a surface level only about world problems - because he doesn’t know enough to speak in a deeper level (nor did he do much or speak much about them while a working Royal). I can’t help how he speaks about these world issues as if he cares, but he just admitted that when dealing with people who are less privileged than he, he had to grit his teeth and get through it. How damning. No one wants to how envious he is about their being “freer”

 

[Betsypaige]

So, the entire article is worth reading.

As for “spilling the beans” publicly, both of his parents regretted doing so; did Harry not learn anything?

It’s fine to talk about his mother’s death, but whatever he wanted or didn’t want, he DID attack his father, his family. He’s hurting them, especially his father personally.....I admire how Charles is just dealing with it all and is still always going to be there for Harry, no matter how hurt and angry he is now.

He would feel like a hypocrite if he didn’t talk openly,” one source close to the prince said. “It’s all very well people wanting Harry to put a sock in it, but Harry doesn’t think what he’s saying is wrong. He thinks we should all be talking about our emotions. Charles and Diana went on national TV and spilled the beans on all types of issues, so to a degree he’s role-modeling what he witnessed his mother and father doing all those years ago.”

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“He will talk about what he went through as a young boy and how it has shaped who he is,” added the well-placed source. “He feels that he has to speak about his own experiences in order to be authentic. His mother’s death is a big part of that. He feels he needs to share his own story in order to encourage others to open up. He hasn’t gone into this wanting to attack his family, but to help others.”

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But royal author Ingrid Seward is among those who predict that Harry’s family, including the queen and Charles, will be perplexed and troubled by what he reveals. “Charles is probably hurt and angry like any parent would be,” Seward said. “But he’s quite pragmatic about his kids and has always felt he has to let them get on with it. He knows he can’t change the past, and he won’t retaliate because he knows it will just make it worse. Over the years he’s had a lot of criticism over his parenting in the press. Deep down he is a very sensitive man, and I think it will hurt having Harry criticizing him so publicly.”


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I think Charles has been quite devastated by some of the things Harry has said,” said a friend of the Prince of Wales. “He is such a gentle man and a dedicated father first and foremost. Knowing him, he’ll be feeling wretched and will take no joy or happiness in what’s going on within the family. But he will also want to seek a reconciliation. He is not vindictive at all, and he wants to make peace with Harry.”

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Harry, meanwhile, seems intent on making sure Diana and her legacy are at the forefront of everything he does. When he and Meghan launched Archewell, Harry described himself as “my mother’s son,” and he has told those he works closely with that he plans to continue carrying out the type of work started by his mother, arguably the greatest disruptor of the monarchy in recent decades.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/20...py-can-this-father-son-relationship-ever-heal

 

[Sandy345]

Madame Tussaud has relocated Harry and Meghan to their "Awards Party" zone in the London exhibits. However, as Harry and Meghan do remain, according to the Queen, beloved family members and they are still TRH, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Harry is still a Counsellor of State, they remain royal and there's no real reason to deliberately demote them to "celebrity" status here.

Just my opinion, of course. Worth all of two cents.

As I recall Diana's likeness was removed from the rest of the family after the divorce.

 

[Osipi]

As I recall Diana's likeness was removed from the rest of the family after the divorce.

That makes sense as she was legally divorced from Charles and hence, the rest of the family. She also had lost her HRH status. None of this has happened to Harry and Meghan and I don't expect it to. They remain royal and members of the British Royal Family. They just cannot use their HRH and royal status to promote commercial deals. Perhaps they're a bit estranged and at odds with family members but still family nonetheless.

 

[Denville]

It doesn’t make sense. I don’t think Harry thinks before he speaks sometimes. He just starts talking. This is the result.

he has always said silly things at times... and most people do, at some stage. But this set of outbursts, attacking his family, saying things that he must know aren't true.. is a new development.

 

[Osipi]

he has always said silly things at times... and most people do, at some stage. But this set of outbursts, attacking his family, saying things that he must know aren't true.. is a new development.

I think the recent Vanity Fair article expressed it the best when it states that what Harry is sharing is real to him. He believes he's sharing what he's gone through and his emotions and thoughts that came along with his experiences. To him they're very, very valid and real.

I will never dispute that as I remember so very well at one point in my life, starting on a recovery journey, realizing how my upbringing and my experiences that stemmed from it basically led me down the same exact path that Harry is taking right now. One has to find the source of a problem before they can begin to examine it and figure out where their own thinking is skewered, take responsibility for oneself and make changes. As Harry continues his self examination, I'm hoping the same happens for him and he grows as a person from it. The main point is that what is being presented by Harry seems to me to be very, very real and he believes he is helping others but he's blind to seeing how others are actually seeing him.

I do, however, have a real problem with Harry making his woes and travails and doing a whole lot of finger pointing at other people that love him so publicly. I don't believe its helping anybody or even, as a matter of fact, helping Harry. There's a time and a place for everything and Harry's "mental health journey" should be done by himself privately and addressing those that he's hurt or that have hurt him so amends can be made and relationships grow stronger remain confidential and not for public consumption where Joe and Jane Public are following it as the next mind boggling episode of "How The Stomach Churns" reality soap opera.

 

[Denville]

I am not so sure what is going on. Harry seemed quite happy with his father a couple of years ago, at the time of the wedding. Has this bout of anger and attacking come from the fact that he has now been told "no" by his father in the past year, and he doesn't like it? Was he OK with Charles, for a time and now is angry? or did he always have issues with his father and just kept quiet about them?
And I dont see how he can really believe that the various things that he & Meg said on Orpah were true? Does he really think that they got married 3 days before the wedding? Surely not but he let her say it. Does he really believe that Archie hasn't got HRH /wont get HRH because of his racial origin? Did someone honestly say ot him that there was no money to keep Meghan and she'd have to go on acting? Yet he said all these things, or stood by while Meghan said them.

 

[ACO]

William and Harry have both issues statements regarding the Diana inquiry of the BBC.

 

[soapstar]

Comments speculating that the BRF leaked stories in order to hurt Meghan have been deleted. As have comments about US politics.

It’s fine to discuss Harry’s comments about the First Amendment, but please stick to just that. There is no need to discuss the different US political parties, or make comments about Fox News (and other US news networks).

The constant debate about what other members choose to post is not only off-topic, but it’s disruptive to the thread. Please stick to discussing Meghan and Harry and not your fellow members.

 

[Queen Claude]

Harry claims Royals showed 'total neglect' for his and 'struggling' Meghan's mental health as he opens up to Oprah for new AppleTV+ doc and reveals Meghan helped him into therapy four years ago

• In his new show The Me You Can't See, Prince Harry says his family tried to prevent him and Megan from leaving when she was suicidal
• In the candid interview with Oprah, he said he felt trapped at the palace and went through a drinking and drug phase in his 30s
• He said he had to go to therapy and felt like history was repeating itself
  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tried-STOP-Meghan-leaving-going-end-life.html


ETA:

 

[Biset]

Well, for someone who’s so concerned about mental health, he doesn’t seem to care of other people’s feelings. He’s just so so vindictive. Just unbelievable.

 

[Eskimo]

It sound like instead of helping with the mental health crisis, this is just a recording of Harry’s therapy sessions with the eminent psychiatrist Oprah

 

[Erin9]

The Duke & Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 4: April 2021 -

Maybe I’m not remembering correctly, but I thought Harry said in Oprah interview 1 that he was too embarrassed (or something) to talk to his family about Meghan’s mental health issues. Now he’s saying they didn’t care? I don’t buy that anyway.

I’m not entirely sure what the family was supposed to do exactly.

And I seem to remember William getting Harry to go to therapy. Now, it’s just Meghan?

From my quick read of this article, you’d never know the website with the HIHO plan existed. You’d think they’d just quit because it was intolerable.

I don’t really draw the same conclusions as Harry did regarding his mother dying while dating a man of color and him marrying a woman of color and his conclusion history was repeating itself....I don’t really see it.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Harry claims Royals showed 'total neglect' for his and 'struggling' Meghan's mental health as he opens up to Oprah for new AppleTV+ doc and reveals Meghan helped him into therapy four years ago

• In his new show The Me You Can't See, Prince Harry says his family tried to prevent him and Megan from leaving when she was suicidal
• In the candid interview with Oprah, he said he felt trapped at the palace and went through a drinking and drug phase in his 30s
• He said he had to go to therapy and felt like history was repeating itself
  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tried-STOP-Meghan-leaving-going-end-life.html


ETA:

I am confused...he says WE (assuming himself and Meghan) spent four years inside the family trying to "make it work"...but they were only married for 18 months before leaving Britain.

What am I missing?

 

[AC21091968]

Harry claims Royals showed 'total neglect' for his and 'struggling' Meghan's mental health as he opens up to Oprah for new AppleTV+ doc and reveals Meghan helped him into therapy four years ago

• In his new show The Me You Can't See, Prince Harry says his family tried to prevent him and Megan from leaving when she was suicidal
• In the candid interview with Oprah, he said he felt trapped at the palace and went through a drinking and drug phase in his 30s
• He said he had to go to therapy and felt like history was repeating itself
  

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tried-STOP-Meghan-leaving-going-end-life.html


ETA:

Thank you Queen Claude for sharing the Telegraph video on Youtube!

I really don't know what to make of the several clips (collage) of The Me You Can’t See...

It certainly brings more questions/confusions than answers. I think it's even worse (or even a disgrace to be frank) for the interviewer (I don't think it's Oprah) to bring up Prince Philip's funeral/Harry' return to London and make it all about Harry's trauma on the Royal Family institution. The question itself wasn't even on Harry's grief after Prince Philip's passing.

I'm not actually surprised by the likes to dislike ratio on The Telegraph video

 

[Erin9]

I am confused...he says WE (assuming himself and Meghan) spent four years inside the family trying to "make it work"...but they were only married for 18 months before leaving Britain.



What am I missing?

I guess he’s talking about their entire relationship. But I do think it’s a bit misleading to put it that way....

 

[Betsypaige]

“My father used to say to me when I was younger, he used to say to both William and I, ‘Well, it was like that for me so it’s going to be like that for you,’” he says in the series’ third episode, which centers around mental health treatment and recovery. “That doesn’t make sense. Just because you suffered, that doesn’t mean your kids have to suffer. Actually quite the opposite. If you suffered, do everything you can to make sure that whatever negative experiences you had, you can make it right for your kids.”

I’m positive Harry is picking and choosing some of what his father said to suit his agenda; there’s clearly more to what Charles said (see below). He’s making it sound as if Charles didn’t care if his sons were suffering, and that’s outrageously cruel and mean. Hugo Vickers wrote a defense of Charles and specifically mentioned Philip writing his son suggesting he make a decision on Diana. Charles misinterpreted it as Philip insisting he marry Diana even though the letter makes clear that wasn’t the case.

In The Me You Can’t See, the new Apple TV+ series about mental health matters, Prince Harry recalls how, as a boy, he received a paternal warning from his father about how hard a life of public service might be. The Duke appears to have mistaken this as evidence of a lack of compassion, one that ultimately played a part in his eventual departure from royal duties and from British shores.
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For all the accusations in the Dimbleby book, I understand that there were two chapters that were never published because the Prince of Wales forbade it. These concerned Diana, Princess of Wales, and would have proven extremely damaging to her. But he put his respect for the mother of his sons above his own self-interest.
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Now Prince Harry seems set on attacking his father at every turn. Yet Prince Charles was always a good parent, even though Diana went to some lengths to ensure her image as a mother eclipsed his as a father. I am sure that the moment of her death in 1997, he saw his primary role to be a good father and friend to those two boys.

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Perhaps there is always a lair of misunderstanding between the generations. In 1981, Prince Charles misinterpreted a perfectly straightforward letter from the Duke of Edinburgh about Diana as an ultimatum to marry her forthwith. In fact, the letter said that he should not leave her floundering about with the press stalking her and should make up his mind; either marry her, or end the relationship before she was compromised – no ultimatum.

Now it seems that Prince Harry is exploiting well-meant words by a caring father as a contributing factor to his mental health issues. It is one thing to address these issues as they should be, but very much another to do this so publicly.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...x=1621559716-1

 

[Betsypaige]

Just a few years ago, when William refused to mention his father in that Diana tribute, Harry did speak to how Charles was there for them. I wanted to mention this because I’m just flabbergasted at these attacks...primarily on Charles, but also on his family in general. He portrays them as cold and unfeeling...it’s horrifying

 

[yukari]

I am confused...he says WE (assuming himself and Meghan) spent four years inside the family trying to "make it work"...but they were only married for 18 months before leaving Britain.

What am I missing?

And if I'm not mistaken, it's only their 3rd anniversary and I assume this video hasn't being recorded only recently. So does it mean he expects BRF to interfere(?) involve(?) from the beginning of their relationship when they're still dating? Did they do that to Cressida or Chelsy?

So Meghan told him to get help and he did (does?) but she didn't know how to get help when she's suicidal (and asked HR instead) and in turned he's ashamed when she told him about her suicidal thought? Or was it the other way around, the suicidal first then after she told him to get theraphy for himself?

Can someone make timeline/chronology of their "truths"? I'm confused ...

 

[ladongas]

Just a few years ago, when William refused to mention his father in that Diana tribute, Harry did speak to how Charles was there for them. I wanted to mention this because I’m just flabbergasted at these attacks...primarily on Charles, but also on his family in general. He portrays them as cold and unfeeling...it’s horrifying

Perhaps they are cold and unfeeling. It seems obvious that there are some issues between Charles and his sons that will never be completely healed.

Harry and William are certainly entitled to their own feelings regardless of what others may think.

 

[Biset]

Perhaps they are cold and unfeeling. It seems obvious that there are some issues between Charles and his sons that will never be completely healed.

Harry and William are certainly entitled to their own feelings regardless of what others may think.

Well, isn't he invading his father and his brother's privacy by talking about these things? Maybe it's not that important compared to "their" mental health and their privacy.

 

[Denville]

Perhaps they are cold and unfeeling. It seems obvious that there are some issues between Charles and his sons that will never be completely healed.

Harry and William are certainly entitled to their own feelings regardless of what others may think.

So if they are so cold and unfeeling how come a few years ago, Harry said that William had kept on trying to help him and persuade him into therapy? Now it is Meghan who got him into therapy. (and he could not help HER because he was ashamed of her being depressed). that doesn't sound very feeling or loving on Harry's part to me.
how come the unfeeling Charles stepped in and escorted Meghan when she had her father let her down at the wedding and looked like he was making a special effort to be nice to Ms mother....
How come William says the unfeeling Charles works too hard but is a good grandfather? How come the unfeeling Charles took Harry on bike rides.. when Harry says his father never did this?

 

[Marengo]

I have a few questions - at which point do we move Harry out of the royal forum and into the celebrity forum. Are we going to create his own sub- forum?

He has his own subforum under the British section, which is where this thread is posted. TRF has not and will never have the slightest intention of moving the subforum to the celebrity section.

Even if the Duke will ever become an ex-royal - which I very much doubt- his threads will stay in the British section. This was also the case for the former Prince Nicholas of Romania, now Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills.

 

[Heavs]

EDMR can be enormously helpful in healing trauma but I fail to see how this is going to help. The sensational quotes and blaming Harry is throwing around is going to overshadow any of his sections of the show rather than showing the therapy process.

They seem to be on a constant revisionist re writing and as Hallo Girl once said they pick a sentence out of a paragraph. You'd never think they were incredibly angry that they weren't allowed to be in HIHO 18 months ago. Or maybe this scorched Earth *is* still a reflection of that.

And I'm sorry Meghan only chose not to commit suicide because she said she wouldn't have Harry loose her after his mother...wow. There is so much wrong with that and putting that out there.

We know that William was the one to convince Harry he needed to get therapy in his 20s because he said that before marrying Meghan.

As for Prince Philip's funeral. Harry didn't have to come, he could have stayed behind with his wife. There are often mixed feelings with things like this but saying he was worried it was going to trigger his trauma is OTT. Meghan couldn't stop issuing press releases about how much she loved Prince Philip and the special wreath she made for him which surely frustrated some of the family who were trying to mourn as privately as possible with a televised funeral. And what about the post partum and pregnant cousins who must have had a lot of turmoil with their emotions. Not to mention HM who had lost someone she spent 73 years with. Isn't talking about this so soon after the event disregarding their trauma?

Not once there does it seem that Harry is concerned for those in his family that are hearing this and can't/won't respond and can't discuss it privately with you because they know there's a high chance that it's going to end up in the media.

 

[Denville]

EMDR can be enormously helpful in healing trauma but I fail to see how this is going to help. The sensational quotes and blaming Harry is throwing around is going to overshadow any of his sections of the show rather than showing the therapy process.



We know that William was the one to convince Harry he needed to get therapy in his 20s because he said that before marrying Meghan.



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That's what he SAID.. but its getting impossible to beleive what he says now or Meghan's words because they make no sense, and they change so much. Now he's saying that Meg helped him.. yet he could not help her.

 

[Lady Chiara]

I'm sorry but Harry is really making me angry lately, expecially on how hè treats the topics of mental Health and privacy.
I always tried to stay as neutral as possible about the Sussex even though I was really disturbed by the interview due to the number of lies and misleading quotes they used but still I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt but it seems always worse.
In the interview Harry stated that he was too ashamed to not only speak about his wife struggles with mental illness to his family but even give her help and yet in the interview (and it seems in the documentary) it's all the families' fault. How are they supposed to help you if you stated that you didn't speak to them?
Also, how in the podcast he basically compared his struggles (complitely valid don't get me wrong) to the struggles of people who suffered through abuse or other extremely dire living situations.
As someone with mental illness I admired him (and the Cambridges) for their work in mental health (especially about the stigma of it) but it looks like he forgot everything he learned while promoting this important causes and yet he still believes he is entitled to lecture anyone else.
Then the is the fact that he said a few years ago that William helped him get help and therapy but now it's just his wife who gets him help? I'm not saying Meghan didn't help him, I just wish they would stop saying things that are easily proven wrong by a 2-minutes google research.
My problem with privacy is the same as many on this forum, they (rightly) want privacy and yet they don't care about other people's privacy.
I am so sure that if the family tried to say something about them they would sue the hell out of everyone they can sue and complain about the family being so evil they violate their holy right to privacy and yet nothing is off limits for them (including his grandad funeral that was a month ago and still probably something that brings pain to the family).
In conclusion, Harry your work as mental health and privacy advocate is not very good, hope you will improve.

 

[RandyDrx]

Harry claims Royals showed 'total neglect' for his and 'struggling' Meghan's mental health as he opens up to Oprah for new AppleTV+ doc and reveals Meghan helped him into therapy four years ago

• In his new show The Me You Can't See, Prince Harry says his family tried to prevent him and Megan from leaving when she was suicidal
• In the candid interview with Oprah, he said he felt trapped at the palace and went through a drinking and drug phase in his 30s
• He said he had to go to therapy and felt like history was repeating itself

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tried-STOP-Meghan-leaving-going-end-life.html


ETA:

A few points:

1. Despite wanting privacy, we know much more about him NOW than we did back when he was still in the BRF, thanks to his interviews.

2. Speaking about interviews, didn't he said that the Oprah interview would be the only interview about the royals that he would done?

3. Does Harry care about the mental health of his family?

4. If royal life was so bad, why were Harry and Meghan complaining about Archie not getting a title?

5. Related to point number 4, he is free to relinquish his royal titles if it was such a burden to him, I'm sure the BRF and the parliament are more than happy to accommodate.

 

[Denville]

A few points:

1.
4. If royal life was so bad, why were Harry and Meghan complaining about Archie not getting a title?

5. Related to point number 4, he is free to relinquish his royal titles if it was such a burden to him, I'm sure the BRF and the parliament are more than happy to accommodate.

re Point 5 I dont think the queen would be happy about him giving up his title as I'm sure that she still hopes that he will some day come back in some way to Royal life. Or at least come back to the UK and reconcile with his family.
Re Pt 4. I think its that he and Meg have chosen to make out that Archies security was dependent on his having the HRH title. it isn't of course but that's what they were saying. And of course they also claimed that he might not get HRH because of the colour of his skin, so having said that they have to insinuate that he has a right to HRH and they dont want their son to be discriminated against.. (naturally). but of course, this isn't the case, and they were the ones who chose to announce that the child would be Master Archie....