General News about the Sussex Family, Part Two: April-August 2020


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Harry will never be king. And if some horrible accident happened where he was made King I'm sure the people would rise up and abolish the monarchy. Why would you want a king who has dumped on the UK and whined about how much he hated the job? I want them to be happy outside the monarchy because after all that has happened I don't think they will ever be fit to return and resume royal duties. Go back to talking about your mother to bankers.
 
Eskimo said:
Yes, but his peerage is HIS only credential, since he’s not allowed to use his HRH
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I wasn't thinking about HRH at all. Most other peers aren't HRH's either (that's only a very small subset within the royal family) but would they truly use a line such as:
'Mr. Edward William Fitzalan-Howard is the Duke of Norfolk' to explain why his opinion matters? Or would he list some position he has that applies to the subject at hand. For example, if it would be about Coronation, he would explain that he is the Earl Marshal (an actual position); if it would be about a topic that is related to a board membership (I assume he is on the board of several organizations), he would point out this board membership; and would most likely just state 'The Duke of Norfolk is...' instead of using both his name and his peerage.

Or, to use an example from within the family, would cousin David generally use
'David (Armstrong-Jones) is the Earl of Snowdon'
or would he instead write
'The earl of Snowdon is the honorary chairman of Christie's EMERI (Europe, Middle East, Russia, and India)'
- the latter seems far more informative and would explain why his opinion might be relevant.
 
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Does anyone take note of what members of the British royal family say in speeches or virtual conversations? How many here would be able to quote verbatim from one of Charles's speeches or William's or Kate's or the Queen's?

^ How do you know that Harry did talk to bankers about his mother? Actually, it was a symposium sponsored by Goldman Sachs down in Miami as far as I remember, with a number of guest speakers and an invited audience. Sections of the media stated that Harry spoke about his mother but it was never officially annunced that he spoke about that rather than general mental health issues.
 
tausi said:
Meghan reached out to Emily and ask for this. She was not initially invited.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1291373726316077057
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As this is a very new organisation, only launched this summer, the organisers probably welcomed her participation. Extra publicity for this, and Emily was probably thrilled. If she and other founders hadn't been they would have privately knocked Meghan back and that would have been the end of it.

How do we know that several of the speakers, (especially the lesser known ones) on hearing of this symposium, didn't 'reach out' to the organisers and asked to be there, finding it an interesting concept and wanting to be in on the ground floor.
 
ACO said:
It seems Meghan and her were just talking about the organization in general. Then Meghan asked if she could be involved and it went from there. She seemed shocked but thrilled Meghan wanted to be part of the summit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1291439705213607937
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Hmm, not sure how that changes anything. The main thing is, Meghan wasn't asked but she invited herself to get involved (and of course they would welcome the attention that brings - however, it is a bit worrisome that 'a duchess' that for personal reasons just left as a working member of a foreign royal family is considered 'a stand out' - in the company of three U.S. senators including the possible next VP or a former Secretary of State, First Lady and Presidential Candidate combined.

Bottom-line, they didn't just happen to talk, they were talking because Meghan reached out to them and wanted to get involved somehow. And given that the CEO explicitly states that she never planned to be on the line-up that might very well have been Meghan's idea as well. So, Meghan heard about the organization and reached out; and this was the form her involvement took.

And a great way :ermm: to both claim Meghan's stardom because of her marriage and at the same time distance her -the proud feminist- from the traditional/conservative BRF:
But while there can be no doubt that Markle—an American actor and proud feminist who married into one of the most traditional, conservative families on the planet—has changed the game, it was never Ramshaw’s intention to land a duchess for the summit, nor did she expect that she herself would feature in the lineup.
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Curryong said:
Does anyone take note of what members of the British royal family say in speeches or virtual conversations? How many here would be able to quote verbatim from one of Charles's speeches or William's or Kate's or the Queen's?
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I can quote two bits. Charles referring to "a monstrous carbuncle on the face of an old and beloved friend" and HM most recently quoting Vera Lynn. "We'll meet again."
 
And then there's my favorite Philipism. "You have mosquitoes. We have the press." :D
 
Missjersey said:
Surprise, surprise lol...

If she wasn’t married to you know who, really, I doubt she’d be given the time of day.
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Not only that, but her only qualification listed in the line up is her... royal title.
Everyone else has their achievements listed: senator, co-host, award winning actress, presidential candidate and so forth... Meghan is.. just the duchess of Sussex. That’s how little she has to bring to the table.

This proves yet again, how truly irrelevant Meghan is without Harry and his family. And why she’ll fail big time when they divorce (but that’s neither here nor there at the moment)
 
Missjersey said:
Surprise, surprise lol...

If she wasn’t married to you know who, really, I doubt she’d be given the time of day.
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It makes me wonder - what else has she asked to be part of and possibly been (politely I'm sure) turned down?

I do find in interesting for a couple who dislike the RF so much to walk away from it they seem very happy to list it as their "credential" and "qualification" so much. Why not insist on being known as an actress (no shame in that at all) or former blogger (no shame there either!). It intrigues me how they seem to almost pick and choose which bits of the RF they dislike and how they are 'standing on their own two feet' but by using their royal links to do so.
 
tommy100 said:
It makes me wonder - what else has she asked to be part of and possibly been (politely I'm sure) turned down?

I do find in interesting for a couple who dislike the RF so much to walk away from it they seem very happy to list it as their "credential" and "qualification" so much. Why not insist on being known as an actress (no shame in that at all) or former blogger (no shame there either!). It intrigues me how they seem to almost pick and choose which bits of the RF they dislike and how they are 'standing on their own two feet' but by using their royal links to do so.
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It IS their only credential.... Meghan was never a famous actress, and I doubt if her blog was anything special. Harry has some achievements but he got to do the things he did such as the charities he set up, because he was a prince..
And of course they have picked and chosen what bits of royalty they want to make use of.. that's the way they are. If their big aim in life was to do good, they could have had a better platform, IMO had they remained in the RF as workers. Or if they could not stand the UK or the more restricting elements of royal life, they could have quietly retired from the RF's workng party, and dedicated themselves to quiet hands on charity work, in the UK or elsewhere. THere are aristocrats who have done this, so did Kath Duchess of Kent... and while it might have raised eyebrows for a bit, I think if it was seen to be sincere, most people would accept that they were well meaning and decent and worthwhile people who were trying to use their wealth and free time to do good.
 
tommy100 said:
It makes me wonder - what else has she asked to be part of and possibly been (politely I'm sure) turned down?

I do find in interesting for a couple who dislike the RF so much to walk away from it they seem very happy to list it as their "credential" and "qualification" so much. Why not insist on being known as an actress (no shame in that at all) or former blogger (no shame there either!). It intrigues me how they seem to almost pick and choose which bits of the RF they dislike and how they are 'standing on their own two feet' but by using their royal links to do so.
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I'm sure this is one of the reasons they fought so hard to be able to keep using their titles in some contexts (this doesn't count as commercial), they needed them to be able to actually do things like this, otherwise who cares? And that goes for other royals from other countries in the same position.

I do wonder if Meghan thought being a working member of the BRF would be more like this, all global platforms to speak about issues that interest her with people like Hilary Clinton and then discovered it had a lot of restrictions around it.

Interesting that she had to ask to be involved, and that the organiser specifically said that's what happened. But if she's a success I guess she'll get asked to more like this. It does stand out though that the only they listed for her is her title whereas the others have personal credentials for being there.

Prince Harry: Social Media is dividing us.Together we can redesigh it


https://www.fastcompany.com/90537682...an-redesign-it
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He's not wrong about the potential dangers of social media but to compare it to lead poisoning among other things? You also aren't going to be easily able to reform it unless you bring down the entire internet and keep it down. Even in countries that completely ban or censor it people finds ways.

He cold called business leaders to talk about the problem? Hmm. With this and his recent Zoom summit both hyperbolic and vague about how to achieve things at the same time, Harry's in danger of turning into a bit of a parody of himself, even as he wants to do good things.
 
Lilyflo said:
I think this is an excellent article and I hope it receives wide coverage. To anyone wondering whether people are interested in what Harry or Meghan say, you only have to look at this forum to see the vast amount of commentary about them, let alone the popular press.
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That's not an interest in what they have to say, its just an interest in them as controversial people.... Its kind of like hte War of the Waleses...
 
Denville said:
That's not an interest in what they have to say, its just an interest in them as controversial people.... Its kind of like hte War of the Waleses...
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I disagree. Everything they say is linked, quoted and picked apart in detail here, demonstrating a very keen interest in their every utterance.
 
Because they are controversial. They have very ardent fans, people who are critical of them and people who really really don't like them. And since as with all royals the only clues we have of what they are thinking comes from gleaning bits of info and what they say in public or are reputed to say in private of course things are picked over...
 
Lilyflo said:
I disagree. Everything they say is linked, quoted and picked apart in detail here, demonstrating a very keen interest in their every utterance.
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Harry and Meghan are like a pair of fake designer shoes: they look pretty on the outside, but once you start to examine the product you realize how cheap and worthless it is.
They say a lot of words but nothing of real meaning, word salad is the term used in the media.
Without the umbrella of royal duties and family they look and sound like another pair of low rated influencers.
(The same would be for most royals, imo, btw)



I listen to Michelle Obama’s and when I breakdown her speeches and words it has contextual meaning, it is like buying a high quality handmade designer shoe.
 
It's because they are the gossip du jour of the royal family and yes there is immense interest (here and other places) in what they're doing with themselves, why the fled to LA and what happens next. That doesn't equate with popularity or particularly relevancy just as many celebrities who tweet and get reactions and get discussed everyday elsewhere don't matter at all in the grand scheme of things.

The Queen is immensely relevant and still very popular but she doesn't get discussed very much unless she does something unexpected either in a good or bad way or something controversial.

They say a lot of words but nothing of real meaning, word salad is the term used in the media.
Without the umbrella of royal duties and family they look and sound like another pair of low rated influencers.
(The same would be for most royals, imo, btw)
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Word Salad was the term I was searching for, thank you. Yes, many royals would be in the same boat without their titles to open doors.
 
Heavs said:
It's because they are the gossip du jour of the royal family and yes there is immense interest (here and other places) in what they're doing with themselves, why the fled to LA and what happens next. That doesn't equate with popularity or particularly relevancy just as many celebrities who tweet and get reactions and get discussed everyday elsewhere don't matter at all in the grand scheme of things.

The Queen is immensely relevant and still very popular but she doesn't get discussed very much unless she does something unexpected either in a good or bad way or something controversial.



Word Salad was the term I was searching for, thank you. Yes, many royals would be in the same boat without their titles to open doors.
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It is like the war of the Waleses, the "War of Harry and Meg v the RF"... During those years in the 1990s, people who weren't interested in royals would discuss the Waleses as it is was the "light news" of the day.. The Sussexes in their disappearance from the RF are the same. People are interested because it is some relief from the worries of lockdown, and Corona and the economy...
and as with Charles and Diana, people take sides. Some support H and Meg, and other's don't like them.. or are critical of them.
 
tommy100 said:
It makes me wonder - what else has she asked to be part of and possibly been (politely I'm sure) turned down?

I do find in interesting for a couple who dislike the RF so much to walk away from it they seem very happy to list it as their "credential" and "qualification" so much. Why not insist on being known as an actress (no shame in that at all) or former blogger (no shame there either!). It intrigues me how they seem to almost pick and choose which bits of the RF they dislike and how they are 'standing on their own two feet' but by using their royal links to do so.
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Not almost, they are doing just that. They’re still trying to do the half and half thing, using their Royal titles as an entrance to do the things they want to do.

Your question is a good one...
 
evolvingdoors said:
I listen to Michelle Obama’s and when I breakdown her speeches and words it has contextual meaning, it is like buying a high quality handmade designer shoe.
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Michelle Obama is highly educated and a lawyer. Her life is in words. But of course she too has the platform to implement change because if her husband. But she is worthy of that platform.
 
Betsypaige said:
I read the first paragraph and had to stop...and I wish Harry would stop. There is nothing wrong with social media - he just needs to quit paying attention to what people say.
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I found it too turgid. I couldn't read it. I know nothing about this website or what type of stuff they publish but this belonged in some academic publication with the words used. Not to a blog piece and at 7 minutes it is over long. Too many big words. Doesn't flow. And social media is a product of people. People behave like that. How are you to stop that? It is a first principles, fundamental question of how we educate and instill values of kindness and tolerance in children. And when the political atmosphere in America, no offence to anyone, is dominated.by Trump. Never happen.

I doubt Harry wrote that. And I am not being mean but he isn't educated himself enough to write articles. Perhaps he did what a lot of my students do when I tell them to level.up their language and used a dictionary so that the overall effect is a fruit bowl of turgid, rigid words and a piece that doesn't flow.
 
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Denville said:
Because they are controversial. They have very ardent fans, people who are critical of them and people who really really don't like them. And since as with all royals the only clues we have of what they are thinking comes from gleaning bits of info and what they say in public or are reputed to say in private of course things are picked over...
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I agree with this. The reasons this thread is so busy is because of their ridiculous behavior, not because many of us care what they have to say. Watching the Sussexes is like watching a train wreck....Also, the squeaky wheel is always going to get the most oil. There’s not a ton to say about the other Royals because they are just going about their business.
 
Betsypaige said:
I agree with this. The reasons this thread is so busy is because of their ridiculous behavior, not because many of us care what they have to say. Watching the Sussexes is like watching a train wreck....Also, the squeaky wheel is always going to get the most oil. There’s not a ton to say about the other Royals because they are just going about their business.
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Most of the discussion is in relation to what they are planning to do next.. Not their speeches bout any issues. Its all about "will they set up a charity and what kind of foundation will it be" or "will they come back to the UK and the RF" or "do they mean to dedicate themselves to earning a living or are they going to concentrate on charity work/"

A year or 2 ago, I can remember long long discussions on Meg's becoming a British citizen and how that would affect her and whether she would retain US citizenship and how would that work in relation to paying taxes.
 
poppy7 said:
I found it too turgid. I couldn't read it. I know nothing about this website or what type of stuff they publish but this belonged in some academic publication with the words used. Not to a blog piece and at 7 minutes it is over long. Too many big words. Doesn't flow. And social media is a product of people. People behave like that. How are you to stop that? It is a first principles, fundamental question of how we educate and instill values of kindness and tolerance in children. And when the political atmosphere in America, no offence to anyone, is dominated.by Trump. Never happen.

I doubt Harry wrote that. And I am not being mean but he isn't educated himself enough to write articles. Perhaps he did what a lot of my students do when I tell them to level.up their language and used a dictionary so that the overall effect is a fruit bowl of turgid, rigid words and a piece that doesn't flow.
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Yup. LOL I have never heard the term “word salad”... What I do know is that Harry sounds to me like he’s saying what he thinks people want to hear..I don’t buy any of it. I was an English major, and I’m a word and grammar nerd. It not only sounds like what your students do, but it sounds like what students in general do when they need to add words to make their essays long enough, lol.

You’re so right about social media...Harry’s problem is he seems to want to turn everyone into Polyannas, wants to rid the world of negativity...Well, there’s a lot to be negative about. Not everyone on social media are nasty people...but, it’s a free society, and therefore people who are annoying have as much right to express their opinions as people who are not. When they go too far, report them. The solution is not to change every single thing that Harry ever finds bothersome.
 
I did want to add that I am in favour of the moves.to block hate speech on social media but this is not targeted at that. It is more broad which is problematic.
 
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