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Old 07-06-2019, 09:52 PM
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Prince Emanuele Filiberto and the right of succession to the former Italian throne

Does anyone here know if Prince Emanuele Filiberto is grooming one of his daughters (probably his eldest daughter) to succeed him as the claimant to the Italian throne once he and his father will both pass away?


It's an interesting question because if he will do this, the schism among Italian monarchists will likely become permanent and irreversible.
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Old 07-09-2019, 02:50 PM
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Does anyone here know if Prince Emanuele Filiberto is grooming one of his daughters (probably his eldest daughter) to succeed him as the claimant to the Italian throne once he and his father will both pass away?


It's an interesting question because if he will do this, the schism among Italian monarchists will likely become permanent and irreversible.
As far as I know, there's no basis on this because of these points:

* The former Italian Kingdom under the House of Savoy follows Salic Law.
* Under the current Constitution of the Italian Republic, there is an entrenched clause that says the republican form of government cannot be changed by constitutional amendment. Meaning, any attempt to restore the monarchy is forbidden. (The constitution also forbade male descendants of the House of Savoy from entering Italy up until 2002 when it was removed when Vittorio Emanuele as the last claimant to the House of Savoy, renounced all claims to the throne as part of the agreement.)
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Old 07-09-2019, 06:17 PM
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A logistical problem to this scenario is that Prince Emanuele Filiberto resides primarily in California, while Princess Clotilde has stayed in France. The couple are not legally separated, but they do live rather separate lives. Luisa and Vittoria have remained with their mother.

The situation is rather like that of King Umberto II and Queen Marie José; where the King wound up living on his own (for the most part) in Portugal, while the Queen established her residence in Switzerland and brought up their children. Obviously, though, Umberto and Marie José were living separately on purpose, because their marriage had foundered, whereas there is not evidence to suggest that is the case with their grandson Emanuele Filiberto and his wife Clotilde.
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Does anyone here know if Prince Emanuele Filiberto is grooming one of his daughters (probably his eldest daughter) to succeed him as the claimant to the Italian throne once he and his father will both pass away?


It's an interesting question because if he will do this, the schism among Italian monarchists will likely become permanent and irreversible.
I think it's impossible for two reason:

1) Salic Law
2) the two daughters of Prince Emanuele Filiberto and Clotilde Courau have no title. They are only Princess of Savoy, but they have no title, they are HRH Princess Vittoria of Savoy and HRH Princess Luisa of Savoy.
On 9 March 2009, Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta - the son of Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia and Princess Olga of Greece - was granted the title Prince of Piedmont by his paternal grandfather, Prince Amedeo of Savoy, Duke of Aosta.
On 25 May 2011, a day after his birth, Prince Amedeo Michele of Savoy-Aosta - the second son of Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia and Princess Olga of Greece - was granted the title Duke of the Abruzzi by his paternal grandfather.

Here the two lines of succession to the former Italian throne:

a) From Prince of Naples:

King Vittorio Emanuele II (1820–1878)
King Umberto I (1844–1900)
King Vittorio Emanuele III (1869–1947)
King Umberto II (1904–1983)
Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples (born 1937)
(1) Emanuele Filiberto, Prince of Venice (b. 1972)
Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (King Amadeo I of Spain) (1845–1890)
Prince Emanuele Filiberto, Duke of Aosta (1869–1931)
Prince Aimone, Duke of Aosta (1900–1948)
(2) Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (b. 1943)[1]
(3) Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia (b. 1967)
(4) Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2009)
(5) Prince Amedeo of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2011)



b) From Duke of Aosta:

King Vittorio Emanuele II (1820–1878)
King Umberto I (1844–1900)
King Vittorio Emanuele III (1869–1947)
King Umberto II (1904–1983)
Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (King Amadeo I of Spain) (1845–1890)
Prince Emanuele Filiberto, Duke of Aosta (1869–1931)
Prince Aimone, Duke of Aosta (1900–1948)
Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (born 1943)
(1) Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia (b. 1967)
(2) Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2009)
(3) Prince Amedeo of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2011)


The two pretender are in future Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2009) and Prince Amedeo Michele of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2011).
The two daughters of Emanuele Filiberto and Clotilde Courau, HRH Princess Vittoria of Savoy and HRH Princess Luisa of Savoy, are excluded from the line of succession to the former Italian throne.
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I think it's impossible for two reason:

1) Salic Law
2) the two daughters of Prince Emanuele Filiberto and Clotilde Courau have no title. They are only Princess of Savoy, but they have no title, they are HRH Princess Vittoria of Savoy and HRH Princess Luisa of Savoy.
On 9 March 2009, Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta - the son of Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia and Princess Olga of Greece - was granted the title Prince of Piedmont by his paternal grandfather, Prince Amedeo of Savoy, Duke of Aosta.
On 25 May 2011, a day after his birth, Prince Amedeo Michele of Savoy-Aosta - the second son of Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia and Princess Olga of Greece - was granted the title Duke of the Abruzzi by his paternal grandfather.

Here the two lines of succession to the former Italian throne:

a) From Prince of Naples:

King Vittorio Emanuele II (1820–1878)
King Umberto I (1844–1900)
King Vittorio Emanuele III (1869–1947)
King Umberto II (1904–1983)
Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples (born 1937)
(1) Emanuele Filiberto, Prince of Venice (b. 1972)
Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (King Amadeo I of Spain) (1845–1890)
Prince Emanuele Filiberto, Duke of Aosta (1869–1931)
Prince Aimone, Duke of Aosta (1900–1948)
(2) Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (b. 1943)[1]
(3) Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia (b. 1967)
(4) Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2009)
(5) Prince Amedeo of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2011)



b) From Duke of Aosta:

King Vittorio Emanuele II (1820–1878)
King Umberto I (1844–1900)
King Vittorio Emanuele III (1869–1947)
King Umberto II (1904–1983)
Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (King Amadeo I of Spain) (1845–1890)
Prince Emanuele Filiberto, Duke of Aosta (1869–1931)
Prince Aimone, Duke of Aosta (1900–1948)
Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta (born 1943)
(1) Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia (b. 1967)
(2) Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2009)
(3) Prince Amedeo of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2011)


The two pretender are in future Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2009) and Prince Amedeo Michele of Savoy-Aosta (b. 2011).
The two daughters of Emanuele Filiberto and Clotilde Courau, HRH Princess Vittoria of Savoy and HRH Princess Luisa of Savoy, are excluded from the line of succession to the former Italian throne.
Regardless of anything, if the Savoy-Carignano line (of which is headed by the Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples) will be extinguished, the claim to the throne of Italy will be passed on to Savoy-Aosta. So since the House of Savoy is under Salic Law, Vittorio Emmanuele's line will end in his son Emanuele Filiberto since the latter has no legitimate male heir.

However, if we have to be strict of the House Law, the moment Vittorio Emanuele married the Swiss biscuit heiress, Marina Ricolfi-Doria 1971, he basically forfeited his dynastic right and claim because of a morganatic marriage which is a violation of the House of Savoy's dynastic law.

Thus, the two claims are in favor of the Savoy-Aosta line. So in short, the legal head should be Prince Amedeo, Duke of Aosta and his descendants.
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