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11-06-2019, 11:58 PM
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Within European royal and noble circles intense rumors have been spreading for recent months that Gr Dss Maria Wladimirovna is fed up with Prince Georgi's refusal to marry, and that she is arranging a marriage between Prince Georgi and Princess Leonie of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach despite Prince Georgi is not happy with this choice!
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I find this very hard to believe. Will mummy drag Georgi to the church by the ear?
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11-07-2019, 01:03 AM
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And what about the princess. She might persuade her son, but I doubt the lady will accept such a situation.
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11-07-2019, 06:30 PM
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Well she supposedly did want an "equal marriage" for her son. In the off chance that this has even the slightest amount of validity....why?
In the case of where vast amounts of wealth go with titles, even defunct ones, I can understand to a degree complying with outdated "house laws" as you would often socialise and date within the same set of people anyway.
But GDG is one of several pretenders to a throne that is extremely unlikely to be restored and doesn't have any large assets I don't think (please correct me if I'm wrong). Why have an arranged or semi arranged marriage in this case? What would be in it for her as her family seem to have a lot more going on? He'd still been able to show up to many of the other "defunct royals of Europe" events and do quasi-quasi tours and engagements in any case.
Again this is assuming there is even the slightest bit of truth in this.
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11-07-2019, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Heavs
Well she supposedly did want an "equal marriage" for her son. In the off chance that this has even the slightest amount of validity....why?
In the case of where vast amounts of wealth go with titles, even defunct ones, I can understand to a degree complying with outdated "house laws" as you would often socialise and date within the same set of people anyway.
But GDG is one of several pretenders to a throne that is extremely unlikely to be restored and doesn't have any large assets I don't think (please correct me if I'm wrong). Why have an arranged or semi arranged marriage in this case? What would be in it for her as her family seem to have a lot more going on? He'd still been able to show up to many of the other "defunct royals of Europe" events and do quasi-quasi tours and engagements in any case.
Again this is assuming there is even the slightest bit of truth in this.
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The reason why Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna wants an equal marriage for her son is because the claim of her branch on the leadership of the Imperial House rests on them being the last dynasts remaining. In their view, which is in accordance with the Pauline laws of succession, all other descendants of the family are not members of the Imperial House because of them being descendants of princess and grand dukes who married against the terms of the law of succession. Should Grand Duke Georgi marry a non-royal the result would be that their claim rests on an even shakier ground than it already is.
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11-07-2019, 06:49 PM
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Thank you that's interesting. Yes I knew it was to do with their dynastic claim, but at this point is it really worth it if her son is against it? It's highly unlikely there will be a restoration in either of their lifetimes and it won't come from scouring the "best" claim based on dubious archaic laws if it ever did happen. That would be the government installing whatever puppet monarchy suited their purposes.
Extremely shaky claims that get shakier don't stop others from doing most of what GDG does publicly.
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11-08-2019, 04:08 AM
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The reason why Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna wants an equal marriage for her son is because the claim of her branch on the leadership of the Imperial House rests on them being the last dynasts remaining. In their view, which is in accordance with the Pauline laws of succession, all other descendants of the family are not members of the Imperial House because of them being descendants of princess and grand dukes who married against the terms of the law of succession. Should Grand Duke Georgi marry a non-royal the result would be that their claim rests on an even shakier ground than it already is.
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Could also be that she wants an arranged marriage and after 1 or more a sons are born there will be a divorce.
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11-08-2019, 05:24 AM
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Could also be that she wants an arranged marriage and after 1 or more a sons are born there will be a divorce.
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That would be something she was familiar with...
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11-08-2019, 06:38 AM
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Thank you that's interesting. Yes I knew it was to do with their dynastic claim, but at this point is it really worth it if her son is against it? It's highly unlikely there will be a restoration in either of their lifetimes and it won't come from scouring the "best" claim based on dubious archaic laws if it ever did happen. That would be the government installing whatever puppet monarchy suited their purposes.
Extremely shaky claims that get shakier don't stop others from doing most of what GDG does publicly.
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It is not necessarily about a restoration. That is a longtime prospect. It is about the headship of the House.
In Romania, Serbia, Portugal and even France or Germany we can see that the head of the former Royal House has a semi-official (in Romania even an official) position in the state.
For an example, the Freistaat Bayern still pays some 13-14 million Euro per year to the former royal family of Bavaria via the Wittelsbacher Ausgleichfonds which manages the estates, palaces, castles, the art collection and other properties as well capital of the former royal family.
For an example, the Republic of Romania has returned several estates, palaces, castles, etc. to the former royal family and even pays for the public function of the head of the former royal family.
For an example, in the Republic of Portugal the head of the former royal family has an arrangement with the state and is also part of official representative events.
That is why "the headship of a royal house" can be a matter of importance. And as Maria Vladimirovna Romanova's claim rests on the fact that her ancestry has remained royally blue-blooded, she is of course keen to see that continued. By the way: I see this whole rumour about enforced marriages as just gossip.
Georg Prinz von Preussen / "Georgi Michailovitch Romanov, Grand-Prince of Russia"
PARENTS
Franz Wilhelm Prinz von Preussen
Maria Vladimirovna Romanova, Grand-Princess of Russia
GRANDPARENTS
Karl Franz Joseph Prinz von Preussen
Henriette Prinzessin von Schoenaich-Carolath
Vladimir Kirillovich Romanov, Grand-Prince of Russia
Princess Leonida Georgievna Bagration-Mukhraneli
GREAT GRANDPARENTS
Joachim Prinz von Preussen
Marie Auguste Prinzessin von Anhalt
Johann Georg Prinz von Schoenaich-Carolath
Hermine Prinzessin Reuss (later Kaiserin Hermine)
Kirill Vladimirovich Romanov, Grand-Prince of Russia
Viktoria Melita Prinzessin von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha
Prince Giorgi Alexandrovich Bagration-Mukhraneli
Helena Sigismundovna of the clan Złotnicka h. Nowina
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11-08-2019, 06:53 AM
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It is not necessarily about a restoration. That is a longtime prospect. It is about the headship of the House.
In Romania, Serbia, Portugal and even France or Germany we can see that the head of the former Royal House has a semi-official (in Romania even an official) position in the state.
For an example, the Freistaat Bayern still pays some 13-14 million Euro per year to the former royal family of Bavaria via the Wittelsbacher Ausgleichfonds which manages the estates, palaces, castles, the art collection and other properties as well capital of the former royal family.
For an example, the Republic of Romania has returned several estates, palaces, castles, etc. to the former royal family and even pays for the public function of the head of the former royal family.
For an example, in the Republic of Portugal the head of the former royal family has an arrangement with the state and is also part of official representative events.
That is why "the headship of a royal house" can be a matter of importance. And as Maria Vladimirovna Romanova's claim rests on the fact that her ancestry has remained royally blue-blooded, she is of course keen to see that continued. By the way: I see this whole rumour about enforced marriages as just gossip.
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But would the prospects of a future republican government of Russia installing the Romanovs into a semi-official position really be reduced if Georgi married in violation of the former Empire's laws?
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11-08-2019, 06:59 AM
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That would be something she was familiar with...
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Was her marriage really an arranged one? I thougt it was a Lovematch at last from her side from what i have read.
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11-08-2019, 07:37 AM
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Georg Prinz von Preussen / "Georgi Michailovitch Romanov, Grand-Prince of Russia"
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I don't think "Prinz von Preussen" is his only legal name as you imply, especially given his birth in Spain where children are generally registered under the names of both parents.
According to a source cited previously in this thread,
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George was born "Jorge prinz von Preussen Romanoff"; however, the year after the birth his mother filed a petition in France to have his last name changed to"Romanoff-grand-duc de Russie prinz von Preussen."
Source: Bulletin 11 -- 30 Sep 1982 of Cercle d'Etudes des Dynasties Royales Europeennes (published by J.F. Tourtchine)
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In addition, I've heard elsewhere that the name on his Russian documents is simply Romanoff, though I'm not clear on the reliability of that information.
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11-08-2019, 02:05 PM
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I don't think "Prinz von Preussen" is his only legal name as you imply, especially given his birth in Spain where children are generally registered under the names of both parents.
According to a source cited previously in this thread,
In addition, I've heard elsewhere that the name on his Russian documents is simply Romanoff, though I'm not clear on the reliability of that information.
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His father is Prinz von Preußen, the only undisputed surname in the whole saga. Georg is 7th in the line of succession of the House of Prussia. All other versions like "Romanov" or "Grand-Prince of Russia" are on discutable grounds. Georg is the legal son of German father called Franz Wilhelm Prinz von Preußen, a member of the Royal House of Prussia.
Line of succession in the House of Prussia:
O.
Georg Friedrich Prinz von Preußen
Son of Louis Ferdinand Jr Prinz von Preußen
and Donata Gräfin zu Castell-Rüdenhausen
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Carl Friedrich Prinz von Preußen
Son of Georg Friedrich Prinz von Preußen
and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
2.
Louis Ferdinand Prinz von Preußen
Son of Georg Friedrich Prinz von Preußen
and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
3.
Heinrich Prinz von Preußen
Son of Georg Friedrich Prinz von Preußen
and Sophie Prinzessin von Isenburg
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Christian-Sigismund Prinz von Preußen
Son of Louis Ferdinand Sr Prinz von Preußen
and Kira Kirillovna Romanova, Grand-Princess of Russia
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Christian Ludwig Prinz von Preußen
Son of Christian-Sigismund Prinz von Preußen
and Nina Gräfin zu Reventlow
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Franz Wilhelm Prinz von Preußen
Son of Karl Franz Prinz von Preußen
and Henriette Prinzessin von Schoenaich-Carolath
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Georg Prinz von Preußen
Son of Franz Wilhelm Prinz von Preußen
and Maria Vladimirovna Romanova, Grand-Princess of Russia
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11-10-2019, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nithsdale
Within European royal and noble circles intense rumors have been spreading for recent months that Gr Dss Maria Wladimirovna is fed up with Prince Georgi's refusal to marry, and that she is arranging a marriage between Prince Georgi and Princess Leonie of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach despite Prince Georgi is not happy with this choice!
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To be frank, this is absolute tosh.
Grand Duke George and his long-term girlfriend Rebecca Bettarini visited Tsarkoe Selo three weeks ago: they frequently travel abroad and are normally pictured during these trips. They live in Brussels, and they have resided there for some time. The couple have been together for at least seven years.
Grand Duchess Maria's office issued a statement earlier this year (January) that the Imperial House was seeking a dialogue with Patriarch Kirill in order to "relax" (or, more likely, abolish) the equal marriage requirement that has until now been enforced on Romanov dynasts...a requirement with which Grand Duchess Maria and all of her paternal ancestors have complied. The communiqué from January is a rather clear indication that the grand duchess wants it possible for her son to marry his intended. Grand Duchess Maria likely desires the Russian Orthodox Church to support any adaption to the Pauline Laws that might be made so that critics can be silenced.
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11-10-2019, 01:38 PM
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Could also be that she wants an arranged marriage and after 1 or more a sons are born there will be a divorce.
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Plus the princess is obviously wealthy, about to acquire the headship of her house after her father's death and will need heirs, too.
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11-11-2019, 03:44 AM
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Plus the princess is obviously wealthy, about to acquire the headship of her house after her father's death and will need heirs, too.
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She can succeed to the Headship iof the House as Saxe-Weimar is male only. The Heir of her father is his cousin Prince Wilhelm-Ernst who is the last male of that line after the tragic death of his son last year.
She will probably inherit his fortune etc.
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11-14-2019, 12:08 PM
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Grand Duke George of Russia has survived a serious automobile accident in St. Petersburg:
https://eurohistoryjournal.blogspot....-survives.html
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11-15-2019, 01:40 AM
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GD Georgi about his accident:
"I wish to thank you all for your concern and messages, by the grace of God, nor me nor the 3 members of my staff have been uninjured in a serious accident which happened today, November 1/14, 2019—the feast day of the Holy Martyrs, Physicians, and Unmercenaries Ss. Cosmas and Damian. “The Lord kept us safe,” I wish to express my gratitude to the police, firefighters, and ambulances who intervened and I am looking forward to participate fully in the events of the International Cultural Forum."
https://www.instagram.com/p/B43K4rzBBIE/
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11-15-2019, 02:24 AM
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Wow scary accident by the pictures. Thankfully not only Georgi but the staff who was with him were not killed. Hopefully they are all well.
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Glad to hear that Georgi and the other passangers weren't badly injured.
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