Oh dear, the short post where I wrote that I didn't bother to spend my time on this thread has been deleted (sorry to the mods). It's been a long time since that happened to me, but I'll try keep those feelings (about threads) to myself in the future.
The reason I'm back here is to respond to a post from Iluvbertie.
Originally Posted by Iluvbertie
Why is it ok for Morton to rehash his version of Diana's story and not allow Junor to put out Camilla's version of events?
All that is happening is the War of the Wales' Part 2 - with Charles now ranged against his sons. They have constantly thrown their father under the bus this year with their 'we got no help when Mummy died, we had to walk behind the coffin, we couldn't talk about her death' etc etc.
The Junor book is coming out now because Camilla's 70th birthday is coming up. Remember that Diana ensured that she was on the front page when Charles threw a party for Camilla's 50th birthday only a few weeks before she died so the anniversaries of her death and Camilla's milestone birthdays will come together.
This book is simply undoing all the hard work that Charles and Camilla have done over the past 20 years and the two who will be rejoicing most will be Diana's sons - they have one aim in life - to finish what they believe was Diana's aim - destroy Charles totally even if it means the end of the BRF. Harry's statement that 'no one wants to be King or Queen' is a clear shot across the bows at ending the monarchy and complete Diana's ambition as they see it.
These books have reignited the entire story and I am sure that the next polls will show a massive drop in support for Charles and Camilla and Diana's fans will rejoice again.
1. I don't agree.
2. Are you serious?
3. If this is true, then William and Harry must be very cynical and manipulative. And after what I can see, they are not.
Originally Posted by Nico
"She will never be loved universally.
Some people find adultery unacceptable in any circumstances, while others are so loyal to Diana's memory that they will not entertain the possibility that she had any of the frailties which make us human.
Many people, however, are more forgiving and open-minded. They understand that Camilla came into Charles's broken marriage when he was in despair, and gave him something to live for again."
Penny Junor: Camilla the mistress who was the salvation | Daily Mail Online
This has been written very quickly, so there are probably many writing-errors here.
She is still unliked by many, but everyone who meets her, yes, they like her.
Will she be popular? No.
Will she be beloved? No.
Will she be respected by a majority in the UK? Not sure, but I think she will be accepted.
Does she need to be all those thing stated above to be a good consort? No, she don't.
Is philip a good consort? Yes.
Do I or the UK majority like Philip? No.
Is he popular, beloved? No.
Is he respected by a majority?
When he was young? Yes. In the 80s/90s and 2000s? No.
Now? Maybe, but thats becaause he is old.
I know that this thread is for Camilla, but since the popularity of other royals has been discussed her (and I thinks it fits here), then let's go through the whole bunch of them:
Accepted, but still controversial.
Around 70% approval ratings and 60% thinks he's going to be a good king? Not bad for a man who has received so much criticism. And he is actually wery good at conecting with people - have you seen him on a walkabouts.
Is he going to be popular/beloved and admirred like his mother? No way, but I think/hope that he vill be respected.
2010-2013 - Very popular, more than Diana and even more than what Harry is now - why? Because he wasn't criticized by the press.
Now - Criticized, but popular/liked with approval ratings at 75 to 80%.
When he is monarch: Likely to be quite popular, but not beloved as HM.
2010-2013 - Very popular - why? Because she was almost not criticized by the press.
Now - Criticized, but still popular/liked by a UK majority.
Very popular (but not beloved) - why? Charismatic and good with people, but mostly because he has hardly been criticized in recent years.
Very popular in the 80's and right after the separation in 1992, but not beloved (Camilla had also been that if she had been the one to marry him at that time.)
Before she died? Controversial.
Now? Adored by her fans, not liked by people who is the opposite of her fans and the others (the majority) don't care.
The Queen Mother:
Very popular and admirrred for the things she did during the war and her commitment to duty, but I wont call her beloved (I'm personally not a big fan of her)
Now? People know who she was, but (as with Diana) the majority don't care much about her. The same thing that happens to everyone who have been dead for awhile (with exception of historical persons as heads of states or heads of governments).
HM, The Queen:
She is (as commentators/experts says) the most beloved, popular, iconic, famous and most successful head of state (many would say person) in the world.
Almost everyone I know in the UK likes her and almost all the comments on The Royal Family, the British Monarchist League and the British Monarchist Society & Foundation facebook pages are positive.
Even many of the ignorant and evil minded thugs in the DF comment section (the best rated comments) and on twitter likes her.
Her Ipsos MORI approval ratings were above 70% from 1992 to 2000 (with the exception of 66% in 1998), over 80% from 2002 to 2016 (sometimes 90%) just 5% dissatisfied in 2016, a YouGov approval rating in 2012 showed 86%.
And let's go through the YouGov most admired person in the UK poll:
2014 - The 30 most admired persons in the UK:
1: The Queen with 18,74%
9: William with 2,6%
19: Kate with 0,80%
Harry was not even included in the poll.
2015 - The 15 most admired Women in the UK:
1: The Queen with 17%
5: Kate with 5,2%
2015 - The 15 most admired Men in the UK:
5: William with 6,5%
8: Harry with 5,9%
2016 - The 30 most admired Women in the UK:
1: The Queen with 19,5%
7: Kate with 3,6%
2016 - The 30 most admired Men in the UK:
4: Harry with 6,4%
6: William with 5,6%
The Queen was also polled the most admirred woman in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Germany in the 2016 poll.
The unserious/stupid favourite royal polls are meaningless, but let us go through them:
The Queen came first (over both the Queen Mother and Diana) in almost all of the few polls that were made in the 80/90s.
From 2002 to 2010, the Queen came first in almost all of the few polls that were made.
The Queen has (since 2011) shared the first place with William, Kate and Harry. But as you see in polls when you ask, who is the most popular/admired person in the UK, then she beats all of them.
I'm not a person who brags unconditionally of people, but when it comes to this lady, then I don't keep anything back - as you can read in this I long post that I wrote about her: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ml#post1980864
And as David Walliams said it, she is the heart and soul of UK (and as others have said) to the rest of the world too.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I simply can't imagine a world without Elizabeth II, our beloved history-making monarch with her record breaking reign.