Death of Jorge Zorreguieta, Queen Máxima's Father: August 8, 2017

[eya]

Galleries from the funeral today

Belga Image

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The mother of Queen Maxima

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The princesses

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Coffee and sandwich for the photographers outside the cemetery

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Article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...-s-father.html

[Blog Real]

Photos of the funeral of Jorge Zorreguieta
En fotos: los reyes Máxima y Guillermo de Holanda despidieron a Jorge Zorreguieta - 10.08.2017 - LA NACION

[SoleS]

Originally Posted by ashelen

Thank you! I am surprised they were able to postpone. In Argentina you have 24 hours to buried somebody, It is not custom to keep the body in freezer until family decide the buriel day. It is automatic.
But I guess they could manage one extra day!

I'm not sure what do you mean. It's true that it is customary here to bury our relatives within 24 hs of their demise, but it's not written into law.
My family actually waited 48 hs to cremate my grandma, since she had died at 2am on a friday, it was easier to wait until sunday, so that everybody had the chance to say goodbye.
The same happened with a distant relative of mine last year. One of his sons lives in France, so the family waited for him to arrive before the burial.

[carina_a]

Condolences to Queen Maxima and her family. RIP

[iceflower]

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Here's another gallery of the funeral:


** pm: Le dernier adieu de Maxima à son père, Jorge Zorreguieta **

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

Photos of the funeral of Jorge Zorreguieta
En fotos: los reyes Máxima y Guillermo de Holanda despidieron a Jorge Zorreguieta - 10.08.2017 - LA NACION

My condolences to the family. Even when one loses a relative at an advanced age, as was the case with Queen Máxima's father, the loss still hurts.

Just as a side comment, since we have been discussing that issue in another forum, it is curious that the Argentinian Foreign Officed referred to Queen Máxima, as Su Majestade la Reina Máxima de los Países Bajos, although she is not Reina de los Países Bajos, but rather just Reina.

It is a common mistake though, both in daily use and in official use, as the distinction between reigning queens and female consorts of kings is often blurred in people's minds.

[carlota]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

My condolences to the family. Even when one loses a relative at an advanced age, as was the case with Queen Máxima's father, the loss still hurts.

Just as a side comment, since we have been discussing that issue in another forum, it is curious that the Argentinian Foreign Officed referred to Queen Máxima, as Su Majestade la Reina Máxima de los Países Bajos, although she is not Reina de los Países Bajos, but rather just Reina.

It is a common mistake though, both in daily use and in official use, as the distinction between reigning queens and female consorts of kings is often blurred in people's minds.

i agree. i guess, from reporting purposes, they have to add where the queen in question hails from - just saying 'queen maxima' just sounds incomplete as there are dozens of countries she can be a queen of, so the press prefers adding the country she is from in detriment of sticking to protocolar address. if i didn't know who she was, i would want to know which country she is from and reading 'queen maxima' alone wouldn't give me the full story.

[polyesco]

Originally Posted by iceflower

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Here's another gallery of the funeral:


** pm: Le dernier adieu de Maxima à son père, Jorge Zorreguieta **

thanks.
the King is sporting a summer beard.
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Hopefully the family can spend quiet time with Maxima's family in this difficult time

[ashelen]

Originally Posted by SoleS

I'm not sure what do you mean. It's true that it is customary here to bury our relatives within 24 hs of their demise, but it's not written into law.
My family actually waited 48 hs to cremate my grandma, since she had died at 2am on a friday, it was easier to wait until sunday, so that everybody had the chance to say goodbye.
The same happened with a distant relative of mine last year. One of his sons lives in France, so the family waited for him to arrive before the burial.

Just I had never listen before somebody to be buried there for more than 24 hs. I thought it was something to do with the decomposition of the body a practical thing to do. May be in some cases like you state 2 am it is not a practical time so you can wait 48 hors , I am not sure if you can wait longer than that ? You might be able to clear the subject better than me.

[An Ard Ri]

Looks quite chilly in Buenos Aires,I keep forgetting its winter there!

[SoleS]

Originally Posted by ashelen

Just I had never listen before somebody to be buried there for more than 24 hs. I thought it was something to do with the decomposition of the body a practical thing to do. May be in some cases like you state 2 am it is not a practical time so you can wait 48 hors , I am not sure if you can wait longer than that ? You might be able to clear the subject better than me.

We do have morgues, special freezers and embalmers here, it's not like we are running against the clock without any means to delay the inevitable
It's just that elaborate funerals with costly wakes, church services, antique hearse carriages and the like are just not done in Argentina (those are seen as tacky and pointless).
Usually, after some dies the family does a little wake at the deceased's home (if that, many people expressly forbid their family from having one when they die), and then we all go to the cemetery to accompany and support the family/friend/co-worker/etc. who just lost a relative. There, before either cremation or burial, a little mass is said in the cemetery chapel (if the deceased was a religious person)...And then everyone goes home.
And as far as decomposition goes, it takes a few days before things start to turn "ugly" here (apart from January and February, we don't have such a warm weather as in the Caribbean, for example), so waiting a bit more is not out of the question even without the means I mentioned above (we didn't need them for my grandma, that's for sure. We left her in her own bed during the wake, and until the hearse came on sunday morning).

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

My condolences to the family. Even when one loses a relative at an advanced age, as was the case with Queen Máxima's father, the loss still hurts.

Just as a side comment, since we have been discussing that issue in another forum, it is curious that the Argentinian Foreign Officed referred to Queen Máxima, as Su Majestade la Reina Máxima de los Países Bajos, although she is not Reina de los Países Bajos, but rather just Reina.

It is a common mistake though, both in daily use and in official use, as the distinction between reigning queens and female consorts of kings is often blurred in people's minds.

Her official title is Su Alteza Real la princesa Máxima de los Países Bajos, princesa de Orange-Nassau.

Since her spouse became King, "because of tradition" and "out of courtesy" and "seen foreign female consorts" and "because of historic precedents" Princess Máxima "can be adressed with the title and style of her spouse, like any female spouse to a titled gentleman" and so the clear line used by Máxima's three male predecessors and which will be followed by her male successor, was left:

Su Majestade la Reina Máxima, princesa de los Países Bajos, princesa de Orange-Nassau

[Tatiana Maria]

I thought that, by courtesy, HM Queen Máxima, Princess of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau was known by the title of her husband as HM the Queen of the Netherlands. The same with Mrs. Laurentien Brinkhorst, known by courtesy as HRH Princess Laurentien of the Netherlands.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

I thought that, by courtesy, HM Queen Máxima, Princess of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau was known by the title of her husband as HM the Queen of the Netherlands. The same with Mrs. Laurentien Brinkhorst, known by courtesy as HRH Princess Laurentien of the Netherlands.

No, her title "by courtesy" is mixed with her formal titulature, so to say:

Hare Majesteit koningin Máxima, prinses der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau

H.M. koningin Máxima , prinses der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau - Parlement & Politiek

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwe...roonswisseling (under "Titulatuur")

Princess Mabel and Princess Laurentien did not obtain any title or nobility upon marriage with Prince Johan Friso respectively Prince Constantijn. As is the tradition, they can be adressed with their spouse's title. In the strictest oldfashioned and most formal way, H.K.H. prinses Constantijn der Nederlanden is maybe pore precize, but it is felt as archaïc to address her alike Princess Michael.

In Belgium it is still used in official correspondence. See this death announcement from March 2017.
You can see:
Countess Eugène d'Oultremont
Countess Eric Liedekerke de Pailhe

[Tatiana Maria]

Thank you for the links, Duc.

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwe...roonswisseling (under "Titulatuur")

The website of the Rijksoverheid states that Princess Máxima is referred to as Her Majesty the Queen, and adds that "officially" her title is Her Majesty Queen Máxima, Princess of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau.

Vanaf hetzelfde moment wordt de nieuwe Koning aangeduid met Zijne Majesteit de Koning. Zijn officiële titel is Zijne Majesteit Koning Willem-Alexander, Koning der Nederlanden, Prins van Oranje-Nassau. Zijn aanspreektitel is Majesteit.

Prinses Máxima wordt als echtgenote van de Koning aangeduid met Hare Majesteit de Koningin. Officieel luidt haar titel - net als die van de echtgenotes van de Koning Willem I, II en III - Hare Majesteit Koningin Máxima, Prinses der Nederlanden, Prinses van Oranje-Nassau. Haar aanspreektitel is Majesteit. De aanduiding van Koningin betekent niet dat zij staatshoofd is of dezelfde bevoegdheden en verantwoordelijkheden als het staatshoofd heeft, maar dat zij de echtgenote van de Koning is.

[cdm]

Originally Posted by eya

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Who is the woman hugging Alexia?

[eya]

Queen Maxima and King Willem Alexander grateful for messages of support who receive after the death of Jorge Zorreguieta


https://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/actuee...-dankbetuiging

King Willem-Alexander and Queen Máxima grateful for messages of support – Royal Central