Charles and Diana

[Alison H]

I don't know why it's all being raked up again. It was a long time ago. Diana's been dead for 25 years. If she and Charles had been any other couple, they would probably have divorced in the mid-1980s and then been free to see whomever they liked. What's done is done.

[Curryong]

Majesty


I think Peters told Charles that he suspected an affair. I don’t believe he had any actual proof.

This debate about who cheated first in the Charles/Diana marriage has been going on for nearly thirty years to my knowledge! Certainly I have no doubts myself that Diana was treating Mannakee as a confidante while her marriage was first going pear-shaped, while he probably responded sympathetically to an increasingly unhappy and an attractive young woman.

After all she wasn?t the first and no doubt won?t be the last royal woman to become close to a RPO while experiencing a miserable marriage. Princess Anne anyone? Which is why both men were officially moved out of their orbits by superior officers.

However, Diana actually sleeping with Mannakee? I have my doubts, and no solid evidence of adultery between the couple has come out in the decades since including Peters? statements Eden has produced. Plus Peters (and Eden) seem to have forgotten the opportunities for emotional dalliance Charles had with his ex mistress Camilla during hunt meets with the Belvoir right from the first years of his marriage.

What did Pres Carter once say about marital fidelity, something about feeling lust and committing adultery in his heart, I believe?

[victor1319]

Originally Posted by Alison H

I don't know why it's all being raked up again.

It is probably done, to clean Prince Charles from any allegations, that he was a cold hearted husband towards Diana...

At least for me it worked. That is, why I brought it up here in the Forums. But as so many pointed out here, it is more gossip than proven fact.

I mean, for me personally the question "who cheated first" is of big importance. That surely says more about me, than the marriage of Diana and Charles, but it is an important step to cheat...

[Elan]

Originally Posted by Curryong

Majesty


I think Peters told Charles that he suspected an affair. I don’t believe he had any actual proof.

I find it unusual that Mannakee would be pulled from his position, simply from fact they appeared to get along well, or had a pleasing chemistry between them. On the other hand if Diana was known to be smitten by him, that is more of a problem.

[Denville]

there was obviously something. But it is a big no no for an RPO to get involved with the woman he is there to protect. So even if there was just some flirting or some signs that Barry was getting a bit out of hand, or too familiar it would be enough to get him transferred

[Denville]

Originally Posted by victor1319

It is probably done, to clean Prince Charles from any allegations, that he was a cold hearted husband towards Diana...

At least for me it worked. That is, why I brought it up here in the Forums. But as so many pointed out here, it is more gossip than proven fact.

I mean, for me personally the question "who cheated first" is of big importance. That surely says more about me, than the marriage of Diana and Charles, but it is an important step to cheat...

they were both unhappy within a fairly short time.. once Will and Harry were toddlers, their parents were at odds and unhappy. Diana probalby turned to Barry M for some kind of easy friendly affection that she and Charles didn't seem able to give each other.. and he had never lost his feelings for Camilla.

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by Alison H

I don't know why it's all being raked up again. It was a long time ago. Diana's been dead for 25 years. If she and Charles had been any other couple, they would probably have divorced in the mid-1980s and then been free to see whomever they liked. What's done is done.

Diana is now an historical figure and her life will be dissected for the rest of time.

The idea that we let her 'rest in peace' doesn't work when so many historical figures aren't allowed to 'rest in peace' but have their lives dissected and new 'information' discovered all the time.

[Mirabel]

Originally Posted by Denville

Not really because Amanda K didn't want to marry charles. I dont think she would have allowed herself to be talked into it.

I could be mistaken, but I thought Amanda was open to the idea, up until the moment Mountbatten was killed and she recognized the negative aspects of life in the RF.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

I could be mistaken, but I thought Amanda was open to the idea, up until the moment Mountbatten was killed and she recognized the negative aspects of life in the RF.

I dont know much about her but I beleive her mother said that therre was "no spark", Perhaps she considered it as an arranged marriage, she was fond of Charles, she knew him well.. but in the end, she didnt really want to marry iwthouit love and she didn't fancy a public life all that much. So I dont think she would have let herself be persauded.

[Alison H]

I don't get the impression that Amanda was interested. She'd known Charles all her life - I know some people marry family friends or even cousins, but I think she thought of him like an older brother, nothing romantic.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Alison H

I don't get the impression that Amanda was interested. She'd known Charles all her life - I know some people marry family friends or even cousins, but I think she thought of him like an older brother, nothing romantic.

Agree. I dont think she thought of it all that serously and when Lord M was killed she really did not like the idea of a public life....

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Alison H

I don't know why it's all being raked up again. It was a long time ago. Diana's been dead for 25 years. If she and Charles had been any other couple, they would probably have divorced in the mid-1980s and then been free to see whomever they liked. What's done is done.

HEAR HEAR HEAR!!Well said,and,absolutely true!!Next!

[Elan]

Originally Posted by Alison H

I don't know why it's all being raked up again. It was a long time ago. Diana's been dead for 25 years. If she and Charles had been any other couple, they would probably have divorced in the mid-1980s and then been free to see whomever they liked. What's done is done.

Originally Posted by lucien

HEAR HEAR HEAR!!Well said,and,absolutely true!! Next!

Another way to look at it.. is no one is actually forced to read posts which bring a degree of discomfort. Some years back, there was the option not to click on a particular topic...

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Elan

Another way to look at it.. is no one is actually forced to read posts which bring a degree of discomfort. Some years back, there was the option not to click on a particular topic...

its not a matter of discomfort.. but some feel that the marraige is long long in the past, and its been discusssed over and over again.. and why drag up Diana's faults or Charles' faults at this stage?

[ladongas]

This most recent ‘bringing up’ was a story that Diana cheated first- and in a pregnancy year- and the once-more-repeated declaration that Charles and Camilla, although desperately in love for decades, abstained from their affair for years, until Diana gave them an excuse.

It’s a situation in which people chose to defend Diana, not a situation where someone just wanted to degrade Charles and Camilla’s reputation.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by ladongas

This most recent ‘bringing up’ was a story that Diana cheated first- and in a pregnancy year- and the once-more-repeated declaration that Charles and Camilla, although desperately in love for decades, abstained from their affair for years, until Diana gave them an excuse.

It’s a situation in which people chose to defend Diana, not a situation where someone just wanted to degrade Charles and Camilla’s reputation.

well we dont know who stepped out first... I think it was inevitable that both of them would look to other people. I dont think that Diana had a full blown affair with Manakee, but I do think that she was flirting with him, and was attracted.. but the situation was clamped down on. Diana herself gave different times as to when the affair with Camilla re started - sometimes she said it was soon after Harry was born, other times it was in between the 2 children.. And she did say herself that she fell in love with Manakee, and that "it was found out".. so there was clearly something.

[Elan]

Originally Posted by Denville

its not a matter of discomfort.. but some feel that the marraige is long long in the past, and its been discusssed over and over again.. and why drag up Diana's faults or Charles' faults at this stage?

As with any type of shaky marriage there were bound to be a variety of faults, but it's doubtful everyone and their uncle is casting aspersions on whoever at this point. In the program above, they depict Diana holding a kind of upper hand, granting the divorce and especially the size of the settlement terms.. impressive if she had that kind of power in the proceedings.

[Denville]

She did up to a point.. in that they were fed up with her esp after Panorama and were keen to get the divorce done and settled.. since they clearly could not trust Diana not to go on going public. So I think that she stalled and asked for a LOT of money, and was determined to get the best deal that she could get. However, of course the queen has powers, and could do things like ensure that Diana lost her HRH..
So while Diana did hold some cards as regards getting the money, she was still liable to lose privileges that the queen could bestow or take away

[Moran]

The whole who cheated first is a futile exercise, IMO. And, it takes away from the actual problem. Charles and Diana weren't a happy couple where both slipped. They had problems that went far beyond mere cheating.

From my perspective as someone who has had a first row seat to living with someone with mental health issues, I doubt Charles even held Diana's infidelity against her this much, even if "she did it first". His issues with her were from another sort altogether. Their life was far from normal long before anyone cheated. It was vastly unfulfilling for both.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Moran

The whole who cheated first is a futile exercise, IMO. And, it takes away from the actual problem. Charles and Diana weren't a happy couple where both slipped. They had problems that went far beyond mere cheating.

From my perspective as someone who has had a first row seat to living with someone with mental health issues, I doubt Charles even held Diana's infidelity against her this much, even if "she did it first". His issues with her were from another sort altogether. Their life was far from normal long before anyone cheated. It was vastly unfulfilling for both.

Of course it was.. but its possible that he felt that her relationship with Manakee, coupled with her depression adn bulimia, really meant in essence that the marriage was beyond saving... so he could turn to another woman because he knew that he and Diana coould not get things on the right track, ever