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Old 08-06-2018, 08:48 AM
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Sr. primarily talks to the mirror so it seems either the mirror is making the story up based on speculation or Sr. leaked the story.
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:20 AM
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This is just another case of people having sheepleosis. That's why I say that Samantha and her father bleat all the time. They're hanging their hopes, their futures and their bank accounts on someone else's prominence on the world stage. It won't last. its already becoming to the majority of people something that resembles a circus sideshow.

There have been quite a few siblings that have ridden on the crumbs of a brother or sister that has made it big in the public eye. Anyone remember Billy Beer? Or Roger Clinton having a small role in the sitcom "The Nanny"? We have Jon Bon Jovi's dad peddling spaghetti sauce. There are also two women that because of a name, have received a lot of attention because of it but in the case of Pippa Middleton, she never cashed in on it using her sister but it gave her some advantages. The same with Stella McCartney. McCartney though earned her reputation by her designs and not because of who her father is. The attention given to the Markles is solely because of their gross negativity, their own gross sense of entitlement and their own greed for money and fame. That's fool's gold.

Right now Meghan is brights and new and shiny coming into the royal family. A few fools are cashing in on that. Meghan though will not fade away in time but continue to grow in her role and she and Harry have a bright future ahead of themselves. Obscurity awaits the sideshow. It will not stand the test of time. There is absolutely nothing about the sideshow that has staying power.

Basically, when we really look at it, anything the Markles bleat and are given print space is about as relevant to Meghan's life and times as the flash in the pan pearl clutching over a wardrobe malfunction. Those things come and go and are quickly forgotten.

To be real, looking at the Markles, there isn't one thing about Meghan that could come out of their mouths now and actually be believed to be true. They could state that Meghan committed a felony back in her teenage years and was never caught and it would be laughed away as attention seeking, defamation of character and just plain old sour grapes on their part.

If, and its a big if, the meeting being planned between Meghan and her father in LA at the end of August was a ploy like Harry and William use to determine their "circle of trust" was indeed a "test" of the waters, both Tom, Sr. and Samantha have sunk that boat they were in. They fell for the trap hook, line and sinker.

Meghan's relationship with her father, at this stage can only be described as one thing. Its a FUBAR. The siblings never stood a chance to begin with.
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:35 AM
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This madness will be a never ending story, if something isn’t done to help stop it.

The tides will turn at some point. Right now everyone is on Meghan’s side, but I feel the Markle Debacle blowback will make its way to the doorsteps of KP at some point.

The Duchess don’t deserve this kind of treatment.
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:45 AM
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I sincerely believe at this point that its going to be never ending madness even if something is done about it.

The only end in sight is when the Markles, themselves, give up the ghost and concede defeat, run out of steam or the tabloids lose interest or all of the above.
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:49 AM
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This madness will be a never ending story, if something isn’t done to help stop it.

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The Duchess don’t deserve this kind of treatment.
I certainly agree with your last line. But I just don't buy the idea that there's anything to stop it beyond Samantha and Sr. deciding for themselves that they're tired of it or the tabloids getting tired of hearing the exact same thing from those two over and over. Sitting down with him could buy Meghan a short-term detente, but as long as Samantha's in the picture to keep whispering in his ear Sr. will be a moving target. And if the press get wind of her talking to him, it just breathes more life in to the story and delays the day when the press get bored and move on to a new scandal.

You've said they need resolution; sometimes the only possible resolution is to stop engaging. Not everything can be talked out. Sometimes conversation can only fan the flames.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:07 AM
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It was only 2 years ago she posted this message to her Instagram. Would be a shame if things can’t be repaired between them.

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She has praised her father publicly in the past but she knows him better than we do. She knows he has issues where Doria is concerned. Think about it, he praised Doria in the GMB interview and claims to still care about her to bashing Doria in The Sun interview saying she has an 'attitude' (don't get me started on how problematic that is).
He is jealous of the goodwill towards Doria that she received from the press and the BRF. He listens to Samantha/Yvonne who feeds the animus he has for Doria.

Until he stops listening to Samantha/Yvonne; there is no hope of a reconciliation.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:37 AM
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I sincerely believe at this point that its going to be never ending madness even if something is done about it.

The only end in sight is when the Markles, themselves, give up the ghost and concede defeat, run out of steam or the tabloids lose interest or all of the above.
If something isn’t done to at least calm the waters, it’s all going to heat up. Especially when the joyous family news is announced in the near future.

I believe Samantha’s issue is more on the jealousy side. I don’t think there’s much hope on that front.

Tom and Meghan can come work things out. They just need to get together as a family and talk. I still think a lot of this drama was avoidable.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:48 AM
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Samantha's story keeps changing. Her publicist, Rob Cooper and the Sun's Dan Wootton are friends.
Explains why Wootton is Team Markle. What an idiot!
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:52 AM
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If something isn’t done to at least calm the waters, it’s all going to heat up. Especially when the joyous family news is announced in the near future.

I believe Samantha’s issue is more on the jealousy side. I don’t think there’s much hope on that front.

Tom and Meghan can come work things out. They just need to get together as a family and talk. I still think a lot of this drama was avoidable.
The Markles can heat things up to their hearts content but its not going to affect Harry and Meghan. The ones that will be affected by the "joyous family news" and be left on the outside looking in are those that are detrimental to Meghan's health and well being.

I have seen absolutely nothing to indicate at this time that Tom, Sr. deserves and rates any kind of consideration as a "father". Can you in all honesty say that you would be willing to talk to someone that tells you they're going to talk to the press and state whatever they want to about you unless you pay attention to them and treat them like they're demanding you treat them? Would you sincerely want to interact with a person that repeatedly says nasty things about you and your loved ones to all and sundry? Most importantly, would you really want to "calm the waters" with someone that's going to use it to their advantage and bleat to the world "I got you to do what I wanted you to so neener, neener, neener (insert raspberry here)" and twist everything that you thought was a kind and generous act into a ploy to bribe, cajole, push and shove and perhaps even pay them off for their "silence"? We know Samantha is behind everything in this and she's just waiting to take a drop of water and turn it into an ocean for her own perverse pleasure. Her "father" is her puppet in the game right now and she's gleefully pulling the strings.

The Markles (and this includes her father) right now are trying to grab Meghan by the proverbial short hairs and force an issue. Would you, in all honesty, put yourself into that kind of a vulnerable position?

I think back and remember when there was the first glimmer of a hope of a royal wedding between Harry and Meghan and stating that perhaps Meghan would be kind and invite the half siblings to the wedding to pacify them. Now, I'm totally convinced that she was doing the right thing in excluding them from the very beginning.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:55 AM
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Meghan praising her father two years ago doesn't change the facts of today. Relationships change, as was mentioned with Tom going from praising to attacking Doria.

Social media can hide true feelings. A sweet picture can mask reality all the time. Not to say she doesn't love her father but if we really looked through her account you saw pictures with her mom frequently and all her images of her dad were "throwbacks".

I do think it speaks volumes that Harry clearly formed a relationship with Doria prior to IG when we saw her with them. The way he spoke of her vs how they acted at the mention of Thomas said a lot. Also Meghan's "I have always cared.." said another tale.

Meghan will do what is best. This is only a story because of the Markles need to broadcast for attention. If they would stop this likely could have been resolved by now. Thomas was offered everything Doria was. He said it out his own mouth. Meghan shouldn't have to bend over backwards for this man and thankfully she hasn't.

If he is truly sincere he will shut up.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:01 AM
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If something isn’t done to at least calm the waters, it’s all going to heat up. Especially when the joyous family news is announced in the near future.

I believe Samantha’s issue is more on the jealousy side. I don’t think there’s much hope on that front.

Tom and Meghan can come work things out. They just need to get together as a family and talk. I still think a lot of this drama was avoidable.
Again I ask you what does one expect to calm the waters as stated above? Yesterday it was *Matters will get worse* so how much worse can they be?

This is all about Sam and her father, they are the driving force here, they are the only ones that are trying to *force* their way into a relationship with Meghan for what.....it is clear as day to me at least, they want, again they want their needs met and this NEVER happened when Meghan was on TV, it only happened now, she met and married a member of the British Royal Family.

And now they want again........money, power, perks, prestige, a place on the balcony, carriage rides at Ascot, walking the halls of KP/BP, jewels of the BR crown, they want all that Meghan as and this is not about Meghan here either......this is about their greed only....they could care less about Meghan, her father wants to see HM not Meghan as he stated...

So to make matters worse, what......guns blazing at KP/BP if they do not get what *they want* if *their needs* are not met what can they actually do? NOTHING at all, just more interviews bleeping the same old story a hundred different ways, more lies, more gossip about NOTHING, they can do *Absolutely Nothing to Meghan* period.....there are NO hidden secrets about her and if they say there are, well I also have a suite of rooms in BP to sell....
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:04 AM
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Not just praising her father two years ago, but until a few days before the wedding, he was due to walk her down the aisle.

I have no dog in this fight. I couldn’t care less one way or the other, but I don’t think the relationship is broken beyond repair.

I won’t be surprised in the least if Meghan is making plans to contact her father.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:09 AM
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Tom and Meghan can come work things out. They just need to get together as a family and talk. I still think a lot of this drama was avoidable.
Just had another thought that would put the flies in the ointment with getting together and "talking things out" and making things all rainbows and unicorns and right with the world.

The reality of it would be that in order to "patch things up", Daddy would have to concede to what Meghan deems is paramount to a solid relationship. That would be total silence to the press and respecting her wishes. That's all fine and good but it won't solve the problem.

Its playing monkey in the middle with Tom, Sr. starring as the monkey. He'll be forced to make a huge choice between his daughters. He chooses Meghan and her royal connections, Samantha goes off the rails into meltdown mode and lays even worse accusations and vile hatred on Meghan and then starts in on her "disowned" father and cuts him to shreds. The tabloids would eat that up.

There is absolutely no peaceful resolution to be found in this situation no matter how we slice the pie.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:12 AM
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Oh, I think her father did think it important, absolutely no doubt in my mind that is where all this came from. The fact that Meghan didn't think it important to introduce her fiance speaks volumes.

He was important enough for her to send him Father's Day posts from her Instagram account and various other mentions right up until the day of the wedding. Or was all that just a facade to keep the outside world from knowing how broken their relationship was and had been for years?
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe he backed out of meeting Harry over the past year? In one of his many interviews since the wedding,Snr said he declined a visit from Harry and Meghan after his 'health scare' so that they can go on their honeymoon.

It is known that Meghan last saw Snr Thanksgiving 2016, in that same month Samantha/Yvonne gave those interviews to The Sun. Seeing how he has defended Samantha/Yvonne in that recent interview he gave, I am going assume he and Meghan fell out because of it. Snr siding with Samantha is all you need to know why Snr and Meghan may not reconcile as Snr and Samantha/Yvonne are toxic symbiotic pair. Neither Meghan or Harry need that in their lives.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:12 AM
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I sincerely believe at this point that its going to be never ending madness even if something is done about it.

The only end in sight is when the Markles, themselves, give up the ghost and concede defeat, run out of steam or the tabloids lose interest or all of the above.

As soon as there is a kid and a Royal baptism for a little prince or princess, the Markles will want an invitation as grandfather and aunt/uncle.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:13 AM
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Not just praising her father two years ago, but until a few days before the wedding, he was due to walk her down the aisle.

I have no dog in this fight. I couldn’t care less one way or the other, but I don’t think the relationship is broken beyond repair.

I won’t be surprised in the least if Meghan is making plans to contact her father.
In this situation, it's not really up to Meghan at this point if this relationship can be repaired at some level. It's up to Tom Markle to be able to shut up for long enough to a point where his daughter can trust him. The amount of grief he has caused her since the week of her wedding would be unforgivable for a lot of daughters, but Meghan seems to be a more forgiving person in general. However, I think NO ONE can blame her at this point if she doesn't wish to.

Ultimately, he's the one that decided to collude with paparazzi while his daughter and her fiance are working hard behind scenes to get them to back off of him. And he's the one that decided talking to TMZ with live updates. He's away from the phone when his daughter calls, but he's certain around enough for when TMZ called. He's continued to do interviews afterwards, and gets upset because his daughter is upset that he shared private conversations. And then he goes on to threaten his daughter publicly. I'm not going to shed a tear for him if he has to face the consequences of his decisions. That's life.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:15 AM
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I agree with Dman. I think she should make amends with her father,this is so ugly. It does not matter who is wrong or right , it just needs to be fixed. I also think the officials in the palace is making her do it. This is in the headlines everyday. This is not about the rest of her family, this is her elderly father. I bet the queen wants this fixed. Harry and Megan made a mistake when they did not meet him before they marry. It looks like she is isolated from about 95% of her family,I don’t know why. She should fix this with her father, most the comments I read hate Sam , but most have sympathy for her father.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:22 AM
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I agree with Dman. I think she should make amends with her father,this is so ugly. It does not matter who is wrong or right , it just needs to be fixed. I also think the officials in the palace is making her do it. This is in the headlines everyday. This is not about the rest of her family, this is her elderly father. I bet the queen wants this fixed. Harry and Megan made a mistake when they did not meet him before they marry. It looks like she is isolated from about 95% of her family,I don’t know why. She should fix this with her father, most the comments I read hate Sam , but most have sympathy for her father.
My question is how can this be fixed right now? Because talking to him only gives him more things to say to the tabloids and thus prolonging the headlines. And no, Palace is not going to make her do anything she doesn't want to do in this regard. This is a private family matter. Meghan isn't the one choosing to have it out in the public domain. And quite frankly, not knowing distant relatives well or be in contact isn't anything new. She has had contact with both of her parents until her father decided to go into complete meltdown mode. As for her half-siblings, it's obvious why there is no relationship.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:23 AM
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There is absolutely no peaceful resolution to be found in this situation no matter how we slice the pie.

Well, Her Majesty does employ people with the "license to kill" to solve problems. Maybe someone should gift Sam with a collection of the Bond-movies and point out that there are in fact 00-agents and MI5 in Her Majesty's Secret Service.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:31 AM
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Well, Her Majesty does employ people with the "license to kill" to solve problems. Maybe someone should gift Sam with a collection of the Bond-movies and point out that there are in fact 00-agents and MI5 in Her Majesty's Secret Service.
Lets not forget that HM not only has these people on her side, she's one of them. Can we ever forget HM's "Bond girl" entrance into the 2012 London Olympic Games?

All of this is fanciful thinking and sometimes it eases the strain of a discussion with a wee bit of humor inserted every now and then. I can actually picture guys like the Men in Black approaching Samantha and she whips 'em all down with her super powered tongue.
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