Meghan Markle: Citizenship and Religious Conversion - Page 43

burbankstorylady · #**841** 03-20-2018, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Denville

There was no reason for Autumn to convert.. Peter is nowwhere near the throne and there are other RC's in the RF....

Not everything is about the throne! Some people just want to belong to the same church as spouse and children!

JR76 · #**842** 03-20-2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tatianacressida

Not everything is about the throne! Some people just want to belong to the same church as spouse and children!

Family does matter. Astrid of Sweden converted to Catholicism a few years after her marriage to the future King Leopold of Belgium. Astrid had offered to do so before their marriage but was told by a priest that she should only do it if she genuinely believed. When she finally did convert she said that she had found peace and her father-in-law King Albert expressed his joy and happiness over "all the family being united in the same religion".

CyrilVladisla · #**843** 03-21-2018, 05:41 PM

Is there any written requirement in the Anglican Church that Meghan must continue to take further religious lessons?

AdmirerUS · #**844** 03-21-2018, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tatianacressida

Not everything is about the throne! Some people just want to belong to the same church as spouse and children!

Thanks for saying this. It really made me stop and reconsider how I am perceiving her conversion. It was helpful. Posts like this are why I like the Forums.

MARG · #**845** 03-21-2018, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

Is there any written requirement in the Anglican Church that Meghan must continue to take further religious lessons?

No, the only standard she had to meet was that for her Confirmation and while I don't know exactly what that is today, in my day it was pretty stringent.Throughout the Confirmation classes, we were all continually assessed as to our readiness and preparedness for Confirmation by the Vicar taking our classes.

Meghan would have been instructed over a period of time (she may even have started before the engagement was announced for all we know) and examined for both her baptism and confirmation at the same time as indeed was my own mother when she joined the Anglican Church.

Curbside · #**846** 03-21-2018, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MARG

No, the only standard she had to meet was that for her Confirmation and while I don't know exactly what that is today, in my day it was pretty stringent.Throughout the Confirmation classes, we were all continually assessed as to our readiness and preparedness for Confirmation by the Vicar taking our classes.

Meghan would have been instructed over a period of time (she may even have started before the engagement was announced for all we know) and examined for both her baptism and confirmation at the same time as indeed was my own mother when she joined the Anglican Church.

She also has years of training on Catholic traditions, which would have certainly carried her part of the way.

CyrilVladisla · #**847** 03-22-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Curbside

She also has years of training on Catholic traditions, which would have certainly carried her part of the way.

In the Roman Catholic Church, there is the RCIA, which is a rite of Christian initiation. It is taught for many weeks, which become many months. However, if some of Meghan's Catholic lessons matched those of the Anglican Church, she may have not had to learn all the religious information if she had previously been informed.

Mbruno · #**848** 03-22-2018, 08:58 PM

Meghan attended a Catholic school, but that doesn’t necessarily mean she received instruction in the Catholic faith.

Catholic schools, including the one I attended, normally includie religious instruction as part of the curriculum, but, depending on the school, children of non-Catholic parents may be exempted from attending those classes or taking part in other Church-related activities that are part of the school’s routine.

Curbside · #**849** 03-22-2018, 09:50 PM

When you go to Catholic school, things like chapel are required and other types of instruction are also required, whether you adhere to the religion or not. Not to mention that going to a faith-based school for years provides more exposure to the faith than the average non-adherent would have.

Curbside · #**850** 03-22-2018, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AdmirerUS

Thanks for saying this. It really made me stop and reconsider how I am perceiving her conversion. It was helpful. Posts like this are why I like the Forums.

I myself converted before my first marriage, because of my own personal conviction and because I wanted any children I had to be raised in the Catholic tradition. I was a believer, I just hadn't gotten around to becoming a Christian. There were several folks in my RCIA class who were in a similar situations. Who's to say Meghan isn't in the same situation?

Mbruno · #**851** 03-22-2018, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Curbside

When you go to Catholic school, things like chapel are required and other types of instruction are also required, whether you adhere to the religion or not. Not to mention that going to a faith-based school for years provides more exposure to the faith than the average non-adherent would have.

Again, not necessarily. It depends on the school.

Osipi · #**852** 03-23-2018, 02:41 AM

As someone that attended Catholic schools for most of my education, the Roman Catholic religion played a major part in it. In grade school, the day started off with Mass in the morning. In high school, religion classes were compulsory even for those attending the school that were not of the faith. What was missing though was anything to do with reading the Bible.

This was all many moons ago back when we had extra wide parking spaces to park our dinosaurs and could have changed by now. Still, attending a parochial school will have had the elements of the Roman Catholic faith entwined in its curriculum. Especially if the school employed nuns as teachers. The code of behavior and the dress code would have been far stricter than those of a public school.

Those nuns could really be a force to reckon with too. As they were addressed as "sister", that got shortened to "Sr." and almost militarily you responded "Yes, Sr."

During the 60s, it was really something that was a fact that young ladies never wore black patent leather shoes. Why? Because they reflect up and give boys impure thoughts. Having those impure thoughts was something to be avoided at all costs!

Maybe with Meghan attending a parochial school she may not have had much exposure to the actual tenets and dogma of the RC church but the code of ethics and behavior would have reflected how a good Catholic is supposed to behave and that would have made an impression.

Denville · #**853** 03-23-2018, 05:31 AM

She may not have attended religious instruction or ceremonies.. and it seems as if the faith did not attract her greatly. Anyway its moot since she is joining the C of E not the RC Church...

burbankstorylady · #**854** 03-23-2018, 10:34 AM

It is her mother who is Catholic, right? (I know her high school is Catholic. I love Catholic schools in California, by the way. The Spanish architecture is just perfect for a Catholic school. The East Coast just can't touch it.)

Curbside · #**855** 03-23-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Denville

She may not have attended religious instruction or ceremonies.. and it seems as if the faith did not attract her greatly. Anyway its moot since she is joining the C of E not the RC Church...

My original point was that anyone who attends Catholic school will have some exposure to the faith, more than the average non-adherent. Many of the traditions are similar. I remember attending an Anglican wedding (in the U.S.) and being shocked that we weren't actually at a Catholic service.

My other point is that just because someone didn't go through the process of adopting a religion already, doesn't mean that they are insincere for wanting to do so in advance of marriage.

CyrilVladisla · #**856** 03-23-2018, 03:51 PM

Decades ago in the Catholic dioceses here, the children had to be a Catholic to attend a Catholic school. That was a strict requirement.
Meghan may have learned to say the Rosary. She may have attended May crownings of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Hopefully the press will not bring up her Catholic background. She is now an Anglican.

Pranter · #**857** 03-23-2018, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tatianacressida

It is her mother who is Catholic, right? (I know her high school is Catholic. I love Catholic schools in California, by the way. The Spanish architecture is just perfect for a Catholic school. The East Coast just can't touch it.)

Neither parent is Catholic. Both are Protestants.

LaRae

Pranter · #**858** 03-23-2018, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

Decades ago in the Catholic dioceses here, the children had to be a Catholic to attend a Catholic school. That was a strict requirement.
Meghan may have learned to say the Rosary. She may have attended May crownings of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Hopefully the press will not bring up her Catholic background. She is now an Anglican.

That ship has sailed, the press brought that up months and months ago.

LaRae

CyrilVladisla · #**859** 03-24-2018, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pranter

That ship has sailed, the press brought that up months and months ago.

LaRae

The press may have brought up the particulars of Roman Catholicism. However there is probably a reporter or two writing a new story about Meghan and her Catholicism at this very minute. Anything for the ratings!

Lady Reem · #**860** 03-24-2018, 11:26 PM

She had a close friend at Uni whose parents were pastors and lived nearby but off campus. And she used to spend her weekends along with her friend attending their church services. Pretty weird for a person ‘not attracted to the faith’ or wtte, according to some.
Went to a christian school, too.

Being baptised as a child does not make one a true christian.